DLC 19 Speculation

[Moonfox]

God it’s so depressing to me to hear those of you from the Americas and Europe all talk about how “common” certain species are in captivity!

Here in Australia, every single zoo has almost exactly the same roster - it’s like the radio playing the hot hits, just the same 30 exotic species on rotation. Our strict import laws + phasing out of species that were kept in my lifetime is really limiting us. I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade. Our small reptile collection is alright.

You guys are all so lucky

 

[Birb（｡･ө･｡）]

Howlers would be sick. This game's sound design is, unironically, one of my favorite parts of playing it. I remember hearing my elephants trumpet from halfway across the zoo after just finishing their enclosure, their calls distant and muffled by all the foliage and buildings in the way as that chill ambient music played. It might sound silly, but I really do think it's a nice little extra part of the player experience knowing that you created that soundscape, in a way, with every animal and piece you placed down. Though admittedly, that does make it all the more disappointing when they screw up an animal's calls (donkey, Tassie devil).

For that reason alone, the howler is probably my most wanted monkey, I just hope they do it justice if we end up getting it someday. Hell, I even wouldn't mind the wapiti as much as some other ungulates despite thinking it's a pretty mid addition in literally every other way, solely due to the bugles they could have. Hopefully, the new coyote has some cool audio design. A shame that the chorus behavior feature seems to have sorta been forgotten. There are still so many older animals that could've used it.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion

 

[NachoB]

I've seen and interacted with all of them (howlers, spider, squirrel, even woolly monkeys) in the wild but not with sakis. Still i find the saki to be very interesting and unique looking with cool sexual dimorphism. Howler and squirrel monkeys are my favorites though and still would love them in the game.

 

[SuzieSky]

Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion

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I bring him up sometimes as my fifth. The famous GLT, more common cotton-top, and interesting emperor should probably take priority. The golden-headed lion tamarin is also common and a community member's favorite tamarin. Then, I list the red handed tamarin.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Guess my hot take of the day, but the golden lion tamarin is criminally overrated

Sure its good as a monkey, hard to not be good as a monkey thats common in zoos, but its really not the no brainer small monkey pick some people make it out to be
Cotton top wins by sheer numbers and an incredibly unique look (eventhough the goldenlion tamarin got that coverd aswell), the emperor looks the most charming and a squirrel monkey is both more realistic and generally usefull.
The abundance of golden lion tamarin talk just seems like the classic echo chamber that a few dedicated people are very loud and no shame about that, ive been the trash panda guy and im one of two very vocal white faced whistling duck fanboys, especally when its not even the definetive lion tamarin as the goldenheaded lion tamarin has a literally exactly as good case to be made for it, as its just as common as the golden and also very similar in conservation and cultural significance (happens when ur part of the same coin).

 

[CharlieXGaming]

Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion

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Its just not as iconic (or iconic looking) as the more popular alternative the Golden Lion Tamarin. I'd assume the general community would want a monkey thats striking and bright over one that is mostly black especially considering we now have 2 of them.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Its just not as iconic (or iconic looking) as the more popular alternative the Golden Lion Tamarin. I'd assume the general community would want a monkey thats striking and bright over one that is mostly black especially considering we now have 2 of them.

Black howler monkey

Geoffrey spider monkey

Yeah no i doubt that its the color, otherwise to all the red howler and golden spider monkey fans please stand up

 

[SuzieSky]

I'm the most vocal supporter of the GLT, but it was one of the most popular monkey candidates long before I got here. It is not an echo chamber effect at all. In fact, there are echo chamber discussions about tamarins being 'bad', 'impossible' picks because of their size, which has been disproven with mods. They are one of the most famous tamarins with a well-known conservation story. They are pretty, and people like them. They are even featured on the Brazilian Real. That doesn't mean there aren't other good options to get alongside the GLT, but I think they are underrated more than the GLT is overrated.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

Black howler monkey
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Geoffrey spider monkey
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Yeah no i doubt that its the color, otherwise to all the red howler and golden spider monkey fans please stand up

Both have other attributes that warrant their requests (chorus calls, locomotion). In the group of small monkeys (tamarins, marmosets, capuchins etc.) they all serve a similar niche so to a general player so it will probably come down to the visual appeal. Golden Lion Tamarin being the most visually striking would probably win in that field. Not a lot of players care which is more common in zoos.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Both have other attributes that warrant their requests (chorus calls, locomotion). In the group of small monkeys (tamarins, marmosets, capuchins etc.) they all serve a similar niche so to a general player so it will probably come down to the visual appeal. Golden Lion Tamarin being the most visually striking would probably win in that field. Not a lot of players care which is more common in zoos.

Your missing my point. If its just the color, then why are the most commonly requested howler and spider monkey the black ones and not the much more colorfull red howler and golden spider monkey?
If its that simple, then this is a 2/3 situation where the black monkeys are winning, just kidding, 3/4 if we count guerezas as the most commonly requested african monkey eventhough their are many more colorfull mangabeys and guenons to fill that spot

 

[jcp011c]

Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion

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just my own thoughts here, I think that to most people the Golden Lion Tamarin is more memorable because of its coloring, and the Emperor Tamarin because of that mustache.

 

[PlanetSoyJak]

Why are you guys arguing whats the better monkey when the next 2 animals are going to be Patagonian Mara and Orinoco Crocodile

 

[DarthQuell]

Black howler monkey
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Geoffrey spider monkey
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Yeah no i doubt that its the color, otherwise to all the red howler and golden spider monkey fans please stand up

You forgot thay the female black howler is gold

If you wanna talk color and something striking, bring up the red faced bald uakari instead. Brings a color unlike any other monkey we have:

It would even have the white variant:

God it’s so depressing to me to hear those of you from the Americas and Europe all talk about how “common” certain species are in captivity!

Here in Australia, every single zoo has almost exactly the same roster - it’s like the radio playing the hot hits, just the same 30 exotic species on rotation. Our strict import laws + phasing out of species that were kept in my lifetime is really limiting us. I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade. Our small reptile collection is alright.

You guys are all so lucky

Come to Texas. The Houston Zoo is where I've seen most of the animals I talk about, and they're only ever expanding/renovating...

 

[jcp011c]

Why are you guys arguing whats the better monkey when the next 2 animals are going to be Patagonian Mara and Orinoco Crocodile

I mean, the patagonian Mara is NOT a bad choice, but we really need that other spot to be another Coati or another NWM.

on the other hand, how would I feel about the mara and the ABB - I'd feel pretty good about the pack overall, but the absence of the coati would definitely be felt very much.

 

[DarthQuell]

And about monkeys, it's not just color. Look at some of the coolest tamarind we can pick:

The Emperor Tamarin, with its villainous look
The Cotton-Top Tamarin, ready to bust a move at the disco
The Golden Lion Tamarin, a big diva

The former 2 are bland black and white and brown, but their hair makes up for it

 

[Marvinb]

Also one pro of the golden lion is that they are one of the biggest, if not the biggest of the tamarin and marmoset group.

 

[Artemisya]

@Artemisya just making sure you get your daily dose of ringtail
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there isnt enough dose of such a cutie

 

[Chuditch]

I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade.

Huh that's interesting, I never really thought of macaws being that uncommon in Australian zoos but that's just because two of my local zoos still display multiple species. Looking at Zootierliste the blue-and-yellow macaw is still decently common with 17 holdings, but all other species are recorded as being kept in less than 10 zoos (next most common is red-and-green macaw with 8 holdings followed by scarlet macaw with a surprisingly low 6 holdings). Would have thought there would be more than that.

At least their presence in the pet trade means species like the blue-and-yellow, red-and-green and scarlet macaws are probably going to remain in captivity in Aus for a while, the same can't be said for other species like hyacinths unfortunately.

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

God it’s so depressing to me to hear those of you from the Americas and Europe all talk about how “common” certain species are in captivity!

Here in Australia, every single zoo has almost exactly the same roster - it’s like the radio playing the hot hits, just the same 30 exotic species on rotation. Our strict import laws + phasing out of species that were kept in my lifetime is really limiting us. I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade. Our small reptile collection is alright.

You guys are all so lucky

Good side of living on places like Australia and Brazil is that while Exotics are ridiculously rare, those natives that are nonexistent wordwilde are also pretty much everywhere.

I might not see a red fox, king penguin, fallow deer or grey wolf anytime soon (If i will ever see those again or ever), but i for sure will be seeing a Amazonian manatee, Crab-eating fox, brocket deer and a White-whiskered spider monkey in the next weeks.