DLC18 discussion and predictions

While I do agree, the following question does come up: why haven't they done the remasters already? And it's not like it's impossible; the tapir and binturong and and hyena and dhole are examples. And even the Bactrian got a size boost. So why haven't they done it now, since that'd really give the game a popularity boost
Possibly because their resources and time to work on PZ is very limited now.
 
Possibly because their resources and time to work on PZ is very limited now.
Maybe, but still, we've seen cases where an animal has been redone in a weekend. And really, the only animals from the base game that need remasters are the Carnivorans and orangutan. Most of the ungulates seem fine (black wildebeest and cape buffalo seem a little odd, though)
So that lowers the 74 animals down to only 14:
  1. Timber wolf
  2. African wild dog
  3. Red panda
  4. Giant panda
  5. Grizzly bear
  6. Formosan black bear
  7. Himalayan brown bear
  8. West African lion
  9. Siberian tiger
  10. Bengal tiger
  11. Cheetah
  12. Snow leopard
  13. Borneo orangutan
  14. Spotted hyena
That really brings the total down and I feel like it wouldn't take as long as doing an entire revamp. But, what do I know?😂
 
While I do agree, the following question does come up: why haven't they done the remasters already? And it's not like it's impossible; the tapir and binturong and and hyena and dhole are examples. And even the Bactrian got a size boost. So why haven't they done it now, since that'd really give the game a popularity boost
There's no real motivation, TBH. The game is doing really well by pretty much every metric. Nobody is going to suddenly decide to purchase the game because they revamped the lion to have a fluffier mane.

With a sequel, though, it's a different beast. Coming to the table with animals that all look better, have new behaviors, function differently, or have improved mechanics (e.g., climbing, different/improved interactions between animals), and so on would be a major selling point. Throw in some new mechanics and the passing of nearly a half-decade and people will be all for it.

Again, you can't think about this like its happening in a year or two. It's much further out.

EDIT: And beyond that, even simpler things like having a better way of handling time, seasons, and weather. Lighting. Or having a more realistic number of guests in your park at a given time. The way baby animals are handled. Updating the game so its better designed to work on the insides of buildings and the smaller details/for smaller animals in habitats. There's so many additional things they could do that are really pretty basic if the game is designed for it that way from the jump.
 
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There's no real motivation, TBH. The game is doing really well by pretty much every metric. Nobody is going to suddenly decide to purchase the game because they revamped the lion to have a fluffier mane.

With a sequel, though, it's a different beast. Coming to the table with animals that all look better, have new behaviors, function differently, or have improved mechanics (e.g., climbing, different/improved interactions between animals), and so on would be a major selling point. Throw in some new mechanics and the passing of nearly a half-decade and people will be all for it.

Again, you can't think about this like its happening in a year or two. It's much further out.

EDIT: And beyond that, even simpler things like having a better way of handling time, seasons, and weather. Lighting. Or having a more realistic number of guests in your park at a given time. The way baby animals are handled. Updating the game so its better designed to work on the insides of buildings and the smaller details/for smaller animals in habitats. There's so many additional things they could do that are really pretty basic if the game is designed for it that way from the jump.
Of course, of course...
I wasn't seeing your point🤣
I'm so tired today...
 
Maybe, but still, we've seen cases where an animal has been redone in a weekend. And really, the only animals from the base game that need remasters are the Carnivorans and orangutan. Most of the ungulates seem fine (black wildebeest and cape buffalo seem a little odd, though)
So that lowers the 74 animals down to only 14:
  1. Timber wolf
  2. African wild dog
  3. Red panda
  4. Giant panda
  5. Grizzly bear
  6. Formosan black bear
  7. Himalayan brown bear
  8. West African lion
  9. Siberian tiger
  10. Bengal tiger
  11. Cheetah
  12. Snow leopard
  13. Borneo orangutan
  14. Spotted hyena
That really brings the total down and I feel like it wouldn't take as long as doing an entire revamp. But, what do I know?😂
Pandas could be better but i don't think they are Bad, specially compared with the rest you mentioned. Cats, dogs, hyena and brown bears are the animals that need remasters the most.

I do think the okapi needs a do over as well. The skeleton and the skin are not good. Is my favorite animal. I would totally pay for a remaster haha
 
Maybe, but still, we've seen cases where an animal has been redone in a weekend. And really, the only animals from the base game that need remasters are the Carnivorans and orangutan. Most of the ungulates seem fine (black wildebeest and cape buffalo seem a little odd, though)
So that lowers the 74 animals down to only 14:
  1. Timber wolf
  2. African wild dog
  3. Red panda
  4. Giant panda
  5. Grizzly bear
  6. Formosan black bear
  7. Himalayan brown bear
  8. West African lion
  9. Siberian tiger
  10. Bengal tiger
  11. Cheetah
  12. Snow leopard
  13. Borneo orangutan
  14. Spotted hyena
That really brings the total down and I feel like it wouldn't take as long as doing an entire revamp. But, what do I know?😂
Bactrian Camel… that thing is a crime
 
Maybe, but still, we've seen cases where an animal has been redone in a weekend. And really, the only animals from the base game that need remasters are the Carnivorans and orangutan. Most of the ungulates seem fine (black wildebeest and cape buffalo seem a little odd, though)
So that lowers the 74 animals down to only 14:
  1. Timber wolf
  2. African wild dog
  3. Red panda
  4. Giant panda
  5. Grizzly bear
  6. Formosan black bear
  7. Himalayan brown bear
  8. West African lion
  9. Siberian tiger
  10. Bengal tiger
  11. Cheetah
  12. Snow leopard
  13. Borneo orangutan
  14. Spotted hyena
That really brings the total down and I feel like it wouldn't take as long as doing an entire revamp. But, what do I know?😂
I also think the crocs need some work especially the salty
 
While I do agree, the following question does come up: why haven't they done the remasters already? And it's not like it's impossible; the tapir and binturong and and hyena and dhole are examples. And even the Bactrian got a size boost. So why haven't they done it now, since that'd really give the game a popularity boost
You have to also remember that the time span between JWE and JWE2 was very small.

Let's assume that the next game is Planet Coaster 2 for a 2024 release. That's five years since the first game. Comparatively, JWE2 released in 2021, whereas JWE finished in 2019, which is only two years. So again, let's say PC2 gets the same level of support as PC1, so three years. That takes it from 2024 to 2027. At the earliest, PZ2 will be released November 2027, ASSUMING they even do a sequel (a big assumption on top of assumptions already being made here). However, if they spent the five years of development spent on PC2 on a new game engine to allow for whatever changes they want to make from PC1 (higher quality assets, new game modes, perhaps some way of including water rides and proper dark rides and such, all the good stuff) then having that engine already there reduces overall development time for PZ2. So 2027, being charitable, would give Frontier three years to build new assets on the new game engine that already exists.

Honestly, I have no doubt at all that they will reuse PZ1's models as a base for most animals. Why go to the trouble of remodelling every species from scratch? However, I do believe they will be of higher quality, more individualised (so instead of making the orangutan a red gorilla, we get an orangutan). Plus as we can observe from the newer PZ1 DLC, their ability to make high quality fur textures and shading has massively improved, so that will be another thing to consider. Imagine a lion with a mane that moves like the porcupine quills.

Between JWE and JWE2 there were some improvements made. Nothing groundbreaking, but they were able to add fully aquatic lagoons and aviaries, two concepts people really want for PZ. Water rides were also something deperately wanted for Coaster, as well as dark rides (and PZ players want proper nocturnal houses). All this points to some very obvious improvements in gameplay they can make for a PZ sequel; improved deep diving, godray light blockers, modular aviaries, and so on. Not to mention other things that have long been requested for PZ; animal personalities, model variations, and so on.

As for why they haven't remastered all the previous animals for PZ already; can you even imagine what a massive undertaking that would be? The animals you brought up - binturong, dhole, Malayan tapir - these are fairly minor adjustments made to the existing models. So small they could be made in the window between announcement and release. The tapir obviously was delayed, but even so. The camel got its size scaled up but nothing else about it changed; the model is still rubbish. And in fact they did completely remaster the Nile monitor; they just slapped a new name on the new model and sold it as a new animal (Asian water monitor). For remasters that look good, rely on mods, IMO. They do a good enough job and since they aren't whole new species and all they aren't game-breaking.
 
Dingo has no conservation value and with the help of humans destroyed the fauna of the whole continent.
Both untrue. Dingoes never helped to "destroyed the fauna of the whole continent", at most they impacted on a few large marsupial carnivores (though other factors such as climate shifts and dramatic expansions of human populations that occurred around the same time were probably just as, if not more significant) and native animals still thrived alongside them up until the arrival of Europeans. Today Australian ecosystems are more healthy with dingoes in them because they supress the populations of kangaroos and invasive species, restructuring vegetation and giving threatened species a better chance of survival - the already large presence of dingoes in Australian zoos is increasing for this reason, as they want to spread awareness of their conservation significance.
 
Both untrue. Dingoes never helped to "destroyed the fauna of the whole continent", at most they impacted on a few large marsupial carnivores (though other factors such as climate shifts and dramatic expansions of human populations that occurred around the same time were probably just as, if not more significant) and native animals still thrived alongside them up until the arrival of Europeans. Today Australian ecosystems are more healthy with dingoes in them because they supress the populations of kangaroos and invasive species, restructuring vegetation and giving threatened species a better chance of survival - the already large presence of dingoes in Australian zoos is increasing for this reason, as they want to spread awareness of their conservation significance.
I haven't read up on it in a while, but isn't it generally accepted that competition with dingoes was the leading cause of the extinction of the thylacine and devil on the mainland of Australia?
 
I really like all the animals.
The only ones that I never use are dingo and llama.

Dingo has no conservation value and with the help of humans destroyed the fauna of the whole continent.
I would have nothing against llama if there was a wild SA camelid in the base game.

I have always really liked HBB and FBB and use them a lot.
That is just straight up wrong dingos do plenty for conservation in australia and areas that have had dingo populations culled are suffering they are one of the few animals that maintain kangaroo populations and therefore the health of grasslands.
What has destroyed all the fauna of australia is feral cats and foxes which dingos help hunt and control.
The dingo actually has a very interesting conservation story based entirely on how what you label an animal as affects public perception there was a huge smear campaign against "feral dogs" which were just dingos or dingo dominat hybrids.
I cant find anything on how dingos have destroyed native fauna if you do know of anything let me know but from what I have red the dingos havent really displaced anything and just partially assumed the roles of already disappearing australian mega fauna and is now one of australias largest predators.
 
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