DLC18 discussion and predictions

After scanning through the steam db data we still 5 years in haven't reached a point where the player base is consistently at its lowest the lowest month in terms of active players was October of 2020 followed by this month then September of 2021.
The active players have been an almost straight line and very consistent since the games start with spikes on weekends and pack releases. It is also interesting that barnyards release has had the biggest impact on the player count since tropical.
Planet zoo is still doing fairly well and other than being in the way of other newer titles it has no obvious reasons to be stopping at least not popularity wise.
It's not the barnyard pack it's the sales associated to the console version release. Actually it's a very low peak of player for barnyard pack and very short in time. Such a shame cause the pack had a couple of nice animals and features in the update. It probably came too late in the game life cycle. Perfect definition of good pack bad timing.
 
But barnyard animal pack has like 2nd least player peak out of all packs. You must have mistaken it with big sale, which happened a month before it.
You are correct the sale was the same month as barnyard so it raised the monthly rate by alot didnt notice it until I went smaller on the scale. honestly thats more significant though because higher rates during a sale means more new and paying people playing the game which is looks better for long term support.
 
It's not the barnyard pack it's the sales associated to the console version release. Actually it's a very low peak of player for barnyard pack and very short in time. Such a shame cause the pack had a couple of nice animals and features in the update. It probably came too late in the game life cycle. Perfect definition of good pack bad timing.
I agree, I think barnyard pack has a very bad case of “suffering from success”. Not that it itself is a S tier pack, it isn’t. But Planet Zoo has done so well for itself, and people playing the game were expecting/ wanting something else at the time. There was a certain level of expectation, both from current needs (monkeys and birds) and from the meta wishlist. If barnyard came out 2-3 years ago it probably wouldn’t have faced even half the criticism it got, as expectations would be different. Likewise, barnyard was another ungulate heavy pack which came out after a year of being super ungulate heavy. Now it makes a ton of sense why a barnyard pack is ungulate heavy, but the lack of a duck or bunny is felt. The chicken does make up for this a little bit, but not enough in my opinion.
 
I agree, I think barnyard pack has a very bad case of “suffering from success”. Not that it itself is a S tier pack, it isn’t. But Planet Zoo has done so well for itself, and people playing the game were expecting/ wanting something else at the time. There was a certain level of expectation, both from current needs (monkeys and birds) and from the meta wishlist. If barnyard came out 2-3 years ago it probably wouldn’t have faced even half the criticism it got, as expectations would be different. Likewise, barnyard was another ungulate heavy pack which came out after a year of being super ungulate heavy. Now it makes a ton of sense why a barnyard pack is ungulate heavy, but the lack of a duck or bunny is felt. The chicken does make up for this a little bit, but not enough in my opinion.
I don't think the animal choice would have been less UK heavy 2-3 years ago. I also don't think they would not have been lazy with sound work 2-3 years ago...
Or maybe it would indeed been put much more effort in 2-3 years ago and the goat would be a dwarf goat, the donkey would sound like one, goat could use the rock climbing pieces, the animals were barnyard animals from all over the world etc...
 
I just don’t understand if they were gonna leave us for 6+ months without a DLC, why not have the most recent pack be something more people would accept. If someone doesn’t care about petting zoo animals that’s like 8 or 9 months without content. Why not give us something like the Oceania pack or tropical pack in Spring 2024 and have barnyard last year when we knew we had more packs coming.
 
I just don’t understand if they were gonna leave us for 6+ months without a DLC, why not have the most recent pack be something more people would accept. If someone doesn’t care about petting zoo animals that’s like 8 or 9 months without content. Why not give us something like the Oceania pack or tropical pack in Spring 2024 and have barnyard last year when we knew we had more packs coming.
I mean in all fairness at this point any pack can do that:
  1. Want South American animals? Any pack without them won’t do it for you.
  2. Need monkeys? A pack without monkeys would be a waste to you.
  3. Birds? Do I need to say anything?
  4. Really want ungulates? Then a full bird pack/ monkey pack/ anything without ungulates would be worthless.
Though I do agree, the Barnyard pack feels like a pack that should have came out awhile ago. Obviously what you said is true as well, if you have no interest in domestics it will do absolutely nothing for you. Not even a Muscovy duck or guineafowl to round it off. Part of me wonders, even with the free update, that Barnyard was intentionally picked due to the workload of the next pack. Wonderful free update aside, it feels like it was an “easy pack”.
 
I just don’t understand if they were gonna leave us for 6+ months without a DLC, why not have the most recent pack be something more people would accept. If someone doesn’t care about petting zoo animals that’s like 8 or 9 months without content. Why not give us something like the Oceania pack or tropical pack in Spring 2024 and have barnyard last year when we knew we had more packs coming.
At this stage of the game life it doesn't matter for the devs. Probably they consider it won't make a huge difference on the benefits of the last DLC pack of PZ. I didn't open the game since the barnyard pack (not even bought it). But I guess the large majority of the DLC buyers community bought it and will simply buy the next pack.
 
I mean in all fairness at this point any pack can do that:
  1. Want South American animals? Any pack without them won’t do it for you.
  2. Need monkeys? A pack without monkeys would be a waste to you.
  3. Birds? Do I need to say anything?
  4. Really want ungulates? Then a full bird pack/ monkey pack/ anything without ungulates would be worthless.
Yes but I think wild and exotic animals in general would please people more than farm animals, regardless of where they come from.
 
I mean in all fairness at this point any pack can do that:
  1. Want South American animals? Any pack without them won’t do it for you.
  2. Need monkeys? A pack without monkeys would be a waste to you.
  3. Birds? Do I need to say anything?
  4. Really want ungulates? Then a full bird pack/ monkey pack/ anything without ungulates would be worthless.
Though I do agree, the Barnyard pack feels like a pack that should have came out awhile ago. Obviously what you said is true as well, if you have no interest in domestics it will do absolutely nothing for you. Not even a Muscovy duck or guineafowl to round it off. Part of me wonders, even with the free update, that Barnyard was intentionally picked due to the workload of the next pack. Wonderful free update aside, it feels like it was an “easy pack”.
It was and is the most filler pack of Planet Zoo. The next pack is clearly and probably going to have a huge roster. A filler pack + 6 extra months gurantees a bigger pack for us to enjoy and I think the animal picks are very community liking. I think it will be worth the time and we will have an amazing pack that fills our roster up 200+ animals.
 
Anyone who still thinks we are getting a bigger pack because of the longer wait is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Don't do that, expect a boring animal pack and we won't have all the drama here like with the barnyard announcement.
That’s why I opened my mind for everything and every possibility

“It’s going to be a bigger pack” not garunteed.

“They are going to finish the dlc with around the world appeal” we can’t prove that/ they are likely to do anything

“They have listened for the want for birds, that’s why we got 4 in a year, we will get more” they may have chose the birds out of convenience. The final dlc might have no birds.

While I also speculate about these things, I have decided to not believe in anything either. Keeping my mind open so I am not “distraught” by a pack, but I may be dissatisfied.
 
Yes but I think wild and exotic animals in general would please people more than farm animals, regardless of where they come from.
I mean I do agree, but I don’t think a lot of people would be happy with another arid type pack with even more Africa ungulates. At least barnyard had a “different type of ungulate” that makes them a bit different to build for. I know I for one would be a bit miffed if I saw this next dlc had like 3 new antelope 😂

Though as a whole I agree.
 
Anyone who still thinks we are getting a bigger pack because of the longer wait is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Don't do that, expect a boring animal pack and we won't have all the drama here like with the barnyard announcement.
Yeah alot of people seem way to confident that the next/final pack is going to be an absolute banger with a larger roster. Which is a possibility i guess but the most sensible and realistic thing to expect is just a normal animal pack along side of barnyard, arid and eurasia, so 5-6 go to ungulates and carnivorans and everything else has to share the other 1-2 habitat slots as per usual.
Everyone who is expecting a bunch of birds and monkeys is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Im expecting exactly that, bunch of ungulates and a bear and cat, so it can only go up from here 😂
 
Yeah alot of people seem way to confident that the next/final pack is going to be an absolute banger with a larger roster. Which is a possibility i guess but the most sensible and realistic thing to expect is just a normal animal pack along side of barnyard, arid and eurasia, so 5-6 go to ungulates and carnivorans and everything else has to share the other 1-2 habitat slots as per usual.
Everyone who is expecting a bunch of birds and monkeys is setting themselves up for dissapointment
I don't really expect any birds or monkeys lol, just a bigger pack but yes I do expect at least one or planet zoo is high right now. Birds, you add them or not thats fine but the animal picks should be frontier level of stuff if there's just a secretary bird in the last pack.
 
I just don’t understand if they were gonna leave us for 6+ months without a DLC, why not have the most recent pack be something more people would accept. If someone doesn’t care about petting zoo animals that’s like 8 or 9 months without content. Why not give us something like the Oceania pack or tropical pack in Spring 2024 and have barnyard last year when we knew we had more packs coming.
I think the Barnyard pack has fared pretty well in this regard, though. The workshop was flooded with new, farm-based blueprints for a long while and the YouTubers really embraced it. Which makes sense considering that it added a new dynamic to building that wasn't there before. Which is more than we can say for most DLC and updates, TBH. I actually think the timing for Barnyard makes sense in the end. It was probably a simple pack to put together from a research perspective, the animals were all right in their own backyard, etc. And it probably bought them time to work on whatever pack is coming next...

I'm not saying you're wrong. Because, yeah, if people aren't interested in petting zoos at all then it's a long while without content. But I think the number of players with no interest in it / who get nothing out of that pack is smaller than you'd think.

It just doesn't seem like that big a deal in the end. Especially if they're super confident in whatever this next pack is. If it's a bigger pack with a super strong roster? People will be there for it.
 
Yeah alot of people seem way to confident that the next/final pack is going to be an absolute banger with a larger roster. Which is a possibility i guess but the most sensible and realistic thing to expect is just a normal animal pack along side of barnyard, arid and eurasia, so 5-6 go to ungulates and carnivorans and everything else has to share the other 1-2 habitat slots as per usual.
Everyone who is expecting a bunch of birds and monkeys is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Im expecting exactly that, bunch of ungulates and a bear and cat, so it can only go up from here 😂
I’m expecting something like that, but I’m just hoping that it could be different. Frontier uses ungulates as a pack filler, but they could swap to using some birds. Either way, I’m trying to keep my hopes down. It’s funny because the long wait is actually both helping and making it worse.
 
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