I doubt Frontier would want to announce the pack during or shortly before the livestream though.
DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)
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Based on the actual holdings of real zoos both even toed ungulates and carnivorans are equally as bad. Both have double the rate of representation they should at 31 and 34% of the mammalian roster compared to the 15 and 17% reality. We should have more primates and rodents than either of these groups.I don't have to respect Frontier's choices actually, I'm choosing to pay for them after all. And frankly, I wouldn't have cared at all if Frontier stopped support 3 years ago. Planet Zoo wouldn't be removed from Steam or my Steam library.
But something I hold near and dear to my heart is biodiversity (and yes, that does include parasitic species). Ungulates being 2 entire orders makes the generalisation extremely biodiverse, while cats and dogs are just 2 families within a single order. Right now, it's not unreasonable to say that cats and dogs are disproportionately over-represented in the game's roster of under 200. In an effort to make this game not turn into Nintendogs + Cats, there ought to be a lot more pushes towards more exotic species that both make this game's rosters its own and also educating the player rather than trying to leech money out of their wallets with species they already know. If that means less cats and dogs, so it shall be.
If you wanted to look at global biodiversity instead artiodactyls and carnivorans rank 5 and 6 in number of mammalian species (with whales included) with ingame 11% and 15% represented removing the 90 or so whale species from the equation they are 0.7% different in terms of total representation of the groups. You call artiodactyls diverse yet combined they wouldn't even reach half the total of second place in mammals or are just over a quarter of first place but I dont see you campaigning for more rodents or bats, or shrews or monkeys. This isnt even acknowledging the fact that there are half as many mammalian species as bird or reptiles.
Now lets look at cats and dogs specifically
combined they make up 25% of the carnivorans biodiversity and 34% of the zoo representation. ingame about 50% of our carnivorans are from these 2 categories which is indeed over the either threshold but this is only when looking at raw species count when looking at holdings cats and dogs make up 50% of all carnivoran holdings.
however if we are looking at family diversity ungulates are not that far off with exactly the same amount of bovids as both cats and dogs combined compared across a lower total group members. bovids make up 62% of our even toed ungulate species (not including domestics) which is both over the total species representation at 60% and over the holdings at 43% and also above biodiversity which have bovids at 57% no whale and 41% yes whale.
odd toed ungulates actually make the argument less in your favour as proportionally we should only have 1 but we have 8 from a 1% real zoo proportion to 6% our proportion.
Adding odd toes we get 13% total biodiversity representation with whales 18% without. this raises 15% of global captive species to 22% and makes ungulates 35% of total ingame mammals placing it above carnivorans.
(keep in mind this does not include domestics at all since I dont have the data for them and species level classification is iffy at best.)
If you truely cared about biodiversity you would be campaigning for birds, reptiles, rodents and monkeys not ungulates.
Technically, Barnyard was announced the monday of a livestream week, so everything is possible truly.
The north has an overwhelming majority of zoos and the majority of people both generally and those who play games so of course a game about zoos is built in that context.
These packs are not doing what you think they are I would hate every one of those pack choices and im sure many others would to because not only did you limit taxonomy to a single group you limited the geography as well and made most of the animals from the already most prominent family in the game.
This is only appealing if you want ungulates from a specific region so you have both isolated everyone else but ungulate fans and some ungulate fans.
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Did I say I don't care about those?
never said you dont care just that your campaigning for ungulates instead of something that actually matches your goal of adding biodiversity
I only speak on ungulates because I think they're criminally over-hated as far as clades go. I see much less backlash to the other 4 groups you mentioned so I don't feel the need to vocalise my support
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Like they did the Koala. It would just move a lot more than in real life
I know, but Barnyard Animal Pack wasn't at a time when a new game release (JWE3) is supposed to take the forefront in the stream IMO. But in the end, we will see.
I mean yeah, even without aviary birds you could build some absolutely top tier packs:
Mine would overlap with yours somewhat but:
Any pelican
Golden / Lady Amhersts Pheasant
Grey crowned crane
Burrowing Owl
Marabou Stork
Scarlet Ibis
Bar-headed or Red-breasted Goose
But honestly there's a ton more I'd be equally happy to see: rockhopper penguin, shoebill, secretary bird, kakapo, white stirk, roseate spoonbill etc etc
This might seem very specific, but why Lady Amherst's pheasant over Swinhoe's, copper, blood, common pheasant or Himalayan Monal?
I think we agree for the most part I guess at least for me my frustration came from the fact that the general public seemed way more interested in carnivorans and treats vastly different ungulates as the same (meanwhile they’re asking for the African leopard and asiatic lion). I just thought that specifically was unfair.
But yes, of course other groups deserve it way more than both of those groups and I agree that we should stop mentioning these groups so much when there’s other groups that need way more. I also think at the end of the day you’re not gonna stop people from wanting what they want, of course, but educating them can of course lead to may be a greater appreciation of animals that they didn’t appreciate before. So all in all we’re pretty agreeable tbh
Exactly this is what I was trying to get at with all my posts lol @Birb（｡･ө･｡）
Golden is the most famous of the colorful pheasants and symbol in chinese cultur. Lady Amherst's could work as a color variant of the Golden pheasant even though they are two different species they do look very similar just with a different color pallete.
My favorite pheasant is actually Reeve's. I also like the blood pheasant and the Himalayan monal a lot. Argus would super impressive to have. Common pheasants are a bit boring to me but i'll be fine with it if it means we get a pheasant at all.
the common pheasant would be a controversy mine field to introduce. You would have people complaining its a boring pick and then on top of that alot of people dont realise its introduced into europe and north america so you will have a ton of controversy around its range and then around the concept of ingame ranges. Golden is definitely the best option for a pheasant.
Yeah. For a long time i thought they were native European species lol Didn't know they were also introduced in the US outside of domestic breeding.
I want a Buc-ees DLC
like who wouldn't want an animal of this handsome man
well then. hopefully this wont haunt my dreams tonight.
As a Texan talking about the well known Texas chain of gas stations...
No, otherwise Frontier will get sued. Plus, Buccees is overrated to me