DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

ChicoGenialoso1

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Milurian said:
Based on the actual holdings of real zoos both even toed ungulates and carnivorans are equally as bad. Both have double the rate of representation they should at 31 and 34% of the mammalian roster compared to the 15 and 17% reality. We should have more primates and rodents than either of these groups.

If you wanted to look at global biodiversity instead artiodactyls and carnivorans rank 5 and 6 in number of mammalian species (with whales included) with ingame 11% and 15% represented removing the 90 or so whale species from the equation they are 0.7% different in terms of total representation of the groups. You call artiodactyls diverse yet combined they wouldn't even reach half the total of second place in mammals or are just over a quarter of first place but I dont see you campaigning for more rodents or bats, or shrews or monkeys. This isnt even acknowledging the fact that there are half as many mammalian species as bird or reptiles.

Now lets look at cats and dogs specifically
combined they make up 25% of the carnivorans biodiversity and 34% of the zoo representation. ingame about 50% of our carnivorans are from these 2 categories which is indeed over the either threshold but this is only when looking at raw species count when looking at holdings cats and dogs make up 50% of all carnivoran holdings.
however if we are looking at family diversity ungulates are not that far off with exactly the same amount of bovids as both cats and dogs combined compared across a lower total group members. bovids make up 62% of our even toed ungulate species (not including domestics) which is both over the total species representation at 60% and over the holdings at 43% and also above biodiversity which have bovids at 57% no whale and 41% yes whale.

odd toed ungulates actually make the argument less in your favour as proportionally we should only have 1 but we have 8 from a 1% real zoo proportion to 6% our proportion.
Adding odd toes we get 13% total biodiversity representation with whales 18% without. this raises 15% of global captive species to 22% and makes ungulates 35% of total ingame mammals placing it above carnivorans.

(keep in mind this does not include domestics at all since I dont have the data for them and species level classification is iffy at best.)


If you truely cared about biodiversity you would be campaigning for birds, reptiles, rodents and monkeys not ungulates.
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Objectively speaking, at this point, with the exception of primates, the rest are difficult.
  1. - The birds will be saved for an aviary expansion in Planet Zoo 2
  2. - Most rodents are mouse-sized (and at most, they'd be terrarium animals, which aren't made anymore)
  3. - and generally, I doubt they will put more than one reptile in future DLCs
 

Milurian

Milurian
ChicoGenialoso1 said:
Objectively speaking, at this point, with the exception of primates, the rest are difficult.
  1. - Most rodents are mouse-sized (and at most, they'd be terrarium animals, which aren't made anymore
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this is definitely an oversimplification I would say about half of all the rodent species in captivity are bigger than what we currently have ingame.
rodents include more than just mice some of the major groups that are doable in the current system.
  • squirrels: (we already have one and these represent the bulk of rodents in captivity)
  • porcupines:
  • giant rats
  • agouti
  • mara and pretty much all the other south american rodents
  • coypu, muskrat and another other large members of different groups
  • jerboa
and you point about reptiles was not an objective statement at all
 
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ChicoGenialoso1

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Milurian said:
this is definitely an oversimplification I would say about half of all the rodent species in captivity are bigger than what we currently have ingame.
rodents include more than just mice some of the major groups that are doable in the current system
  • squirrels: (we already have one and these represent the bulk of rodents in captivity)
  • porcupines:
  • giant rats
  • agouti
  • mara and pretty much all the other south american rodents
  • coypu, muskrat and another other large members of different groups
  • jerboa
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Well, kind of.
  1. Altough we don't we get an animal like Red Squirrel, or Eastern Greg Squirrel.l
  2. The porcupines are an exception (I don't mention It Because we already have one in-game), along with beavers, marmots and Capybara
  3. For obvious reasons, we won't see a rat as animal
  4. And I don't see a coypu or muskrat as interesting enough to be in game
So far, So far, I only see the Patagonian Mara, and some species of Marmot as possible options.
 

AndyZoos

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Dinoceratan said:
Ah, okay, so it was not just me who thought an announcement was likely last Tuesday.
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Nope! A lot of people expected it last Tuesday based on the tease-to-reveal timing that we had for Zookeeper.

Dinoceratan said:
What "release schedules" are you referring to? I gave up on flying birds or fully aquatic species after the Lorikeet Affair, so I am not expecting revolutionary changes.
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The 'schedule' for release I was referring to was just that we used to get a new DLC once every ~3 months. Now it's once every ~5-6 months or so.

Mjmannella said:
Then the problem is the format itself. If it was changed, we wouldn't be in this rut
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You can blame the format, the release schedule, or whatever... But I don't think that would fix the "problem." If we had the same sized packs releasing once every 2 months rather than every 3 months for the first four years of release (assuming the additional two alternated between animal and scenery packs) we'd have 44 more habitat species and 8 more exhibit species.

That feels pretty substantial and I'm sure it would have made more people happy. But that's just in a vacuum. I feel like, at that rate, you'd be sacrificing quality and you might risk burn-out among the fans. Or you'd need to add staff/resources and it would cease being profitable. I'm saying this because you'd think that if it were all as easy as this... Then Frontier would have done it, right? People act like they're holding back "just because" when in reality there's practical reasons some of these things don't happen.

And if it was just the format and release schedule, and they loaded up on more ungulates to give you whatever it is you want? Then there would be different people advocating aggressively for a different type of animal that feels underrepresented as a result. By virtue of the broad number of animals found in zoos there's just no way a game like this will appease everybody unless it were in development ad infinitum.

My point isn't that people shouldn't advocate for what they want. But let's not act like it's a fully fixable issue. Because if things are done in a way that make one person happy it's going to make others unhappy by virtue of scarcity.
 

AndyZoos

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Did anybody else noticed they seem to have nixed the "Forums" link on the main Planet Zoo page? Obviously still accessible or whatever but somebody must have accidentally deleted it. Hah. Probably when they were adding that obnoxious JWE3 pop-up...

(I'm calling it obnoxious, but honestly, it's a pretty smart move putting it there.)
 

Milurian

Milurian
ChicoGenialoso1 said:
Well, kind of.
  1. Altough we don't we get an animal like Red Squirrel, or Eastern Greg Squirrel.l
  2. The porcupines are an exception (I don't mention It Because we already have one in-game), along with beavers, marmots and Capybara
  3. For obvious reasons, we won't see a rat as animal
  4. And I don't see a coypu or muskrat as interesting enough to be in game
So far, So far, I only see the Patagonian Mara, and some species of Marmot as possible options.
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giant or cloud rats are a group of animals with many of the member reaching of 30in in length much bigger than the meerkats and are highly requested animals for the Philippines so definitely are possible. typical rats are less certain many could go either way in terms of size.
 

ChicoGenialoso1

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Milurian said:
giant or cloud rats are a group of animals with many of the member reaching of 30in in length much bigger than the meerkats and are highly requested animals for the Philippines so definitely are possible. typical rats are less certain many could go either way in terms of size.
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the cloud rat, yeah, I accept it, But I'm not sure they would add an animal that is mostly seen as a pest around the world (Like Brown Rat, or Black Rat) and frankly I don't want to, rats disgust me
 

TremendousTimAllen

TremendousTimAllen
ChicoGenialoso1 said:
the cloud rat, yeah, I accept it, But I'm not sure they would add an animal that is mostly seen as a pest around the world (Like Brown Rat, or Black Rat) and frankly I don't want to, rats disgust me
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This is going way off topic but I'll bite. Brown Rat is a very popular pet worldwide, and not including it because it might disgust someone is not a great justification. Lots of people have severe arachnophobia, but it would be silly not to include spiders because of that.

I'd agree that Brown or black rat are too small anyway, but personal feelings toward an animal aren't a good justification for exclusion (although they are for inclusion)
 

Chuditch

Chuditch
ChicoGenialoso1 said:
rats disgust me
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Couldn't be me

Frontier, add my gnawing brethren:
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(Malagasy giant rat, northern Luzon giant cloud rat, rakali, Gambian pouched rat and black-footed tree-rat - all rat species held in captivity that reach the size of a meerkat or larger)
 
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FoxyDee

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Yeah, there is still enough rodents to add. Mara would be the first one I would pick, but honestly all of the big enough to be habitat species would be nice to get.

I would love to see Rakali or Giant cloud rat. They would really be a nice oddball animals for the "unexpected" slot in a pack. Just as the Prairie Dog was. At fist they were in whatever category for me, but they are incredibly versatile filler species.
 

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
yoav_r said:
There are still enough big rodents left for an entire rodent DLC:
  1. Azara's agouti
  2. Brazilian porcupine
  3. Patagonian mara
  4. Lowland paca
  5. Prevost's squirrel
  6. Luzon giant cloud rat
  7. Greater egyptian Jerboa/Nutria if the Jerboa is too small
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Forget a global rodent pack, there are enough rodents for an exclusively Central and South American animal pack to be filled with nothing but them:
  1. An agouti
  2. Amazonian long-tailed porcupine
  3. Patagonian mara
  4. Pacarana
  5. Coypu
  6. Greater guinea pig
  7. Desmarest's hutia
That isn't even including other large South American rodents, like the pacas, acouchis, rock cavy or any of the tree squirrel species.

Not that there would be a snowball's chance in hell of any of this happening, but definitely goes to show that there are a lot of rodents still perfectly useable for the game.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
Here's a thought. If someone says something upsets/disgusts/scares them, don't reply with a bunch of huge images of said animal.

We are indeed drifting off topic, so let's get back on please. And do not make light of people who have genuine phobias of creatures, it's not as though they choose to have it. The clue is in the name.
 
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