DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

btw an argument i just thought of for the elephants not being in the pack: would you not have those be the headliner animal if you were adding them since they're like, the most recognizable animal?

edit: if my theory is correct this may also rule out the asiatic lion but chances are we get both and the sumatran rhino
 
Southeast Asia's roster is surprisingly stacked...
By 2023, Southeast Asia had four primates (orangutan, proboscis monkey, siamang, gibbon) while the entirety of South America only had one.
It already had some base game animals like the crocodile, orangutan and Komodo Dragon, then got its own dedicated pack, AND later additions coming from Wetlands, Conservation, Tropical (which also added an amazing scenery set inspired by Southeast Asia), and Eurasia.
I was slightly shocked to see that Zookeeper Animal Pack included no Southeast Asian representation... And now, this region is most likely getting more animals - and I'm all for it.
I feel like it's time to finally get started on that Southeast Asian zoo I wanted to make all those years ago...
I love and hate that at the same time. Because on one hand southeast Asia has lots of amazing animals and doesn't usually gets much love in animal games so is great that it has such great rep in this game (minus birds ofc) but on the other hand why has southamerica need to be the one gets the short.end of the stick instead when it's biodiverstiy is equally great and the animals are probably more common in zoos that many of the SEA ones we have, yet we are still missing them for the game (coati, mara, Brazilian tapir, green anaconda, guanaco/vicuña, Pudu, and birds, etc)
 
btw an argument i just thought of for the elephants not being in the pack: would you not have those be the headliner animal if you were adding them since they're like, the most recognizable animal?

edit: if my theory is correct this may also rule out the asiatic lion but chances are we get both and the sumatran rhino
Or they know how much everyone would be hating this pack hard if they do that... Though they went coyote for.americas and didn't care so who knows lol
 
btw an argument i just thought of for the elephants not being in the pack: would you not have those be the headliner animal if you were adding them since they're like, the most recognizable animal?
Risk of costumers get both confused of why a animal from the base game is on an dlc cover and posterior unisterest for finding the pack lazy/unworthy.
 
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if my theory is correct this may also rule out the asiatic lion
Yeah, I was thinking about the same :/ Was hyping for asiatic lion but then I was like - but he would be the headliner? ... Maybe?

The honey badger however seems to me like headliner for fans as it's requested animal not that it would represent the overal theme(? we still don't know the theme but for example personally when I head honey badger I see him in africa etc).
If we got the lion as the headliner not knowing there is honey badger or a monkey I think a lot of people would be much harsher about it.
 
Will never understand why the swan wasn't the face of Eurasia
Because for europeans wisents are the very big conservation deal, swans on the other hand, we see them commonly around cities and lakes where people go feed them, not much shouting "ZOO" or "EURASIA" over the animal. Saiga could have been also better pick for the overal theme and it's unique animal and more people recognise it than the wisent.
 
btw an argument i just thought of for the elephants not being in the pack: would you not have those be the headliner animal if you were adding them since they're like, the most recognizable animal?
For one, people might look at the pack's cover art and go "Wait, this is a zoo game and they're selling something as basic as an elephant as DLC?"

For two, the honey badger is, like, a huge meme, so it's more than a suitable headliner.
 
I love and hate that at the same time. Because on one hand southeast Asia has lots of amazing animals and doesn't usually gets much love in animal games so is great that it has such great rep in this game (minus birds ofc) but on the other hand why has southamerica need to be the one gets the short.end of the stick instead when it's biodiverstiy is equally great and the anima are probably more common in zoos that many of the SEA ones we have, yet we are still missing them for the game (coati, mara, Brazilian tapir, green anaconda, guanaco/vicuña, Pudu, and birds, etc)
Frontier seems to have some weird priorities when it comes to geographical areas...
Oceania got all the essential iconic animals, and now it's got a roster that, while pretty small, is very diverse, with all animals having different habitat requirements. A tree kangaroo and echidna would be nice, but the current roster is perfectly fine with me.

Europe ended up with a fairly good selection of animals considering how underrepresented it usually is in zoo games. Just like Oceania, it has all the essentials for a pretty substantial European section.

North America falls in a similar category as Europe, although even more varied; it makes a lot of sense, considering how much more biodiversity you can find in this region. Sea lion, alligator, cougar, armadillo, lots of common zoo animals that are very popular even outside of America. There may still be a couple of holes in the animal selection (namely the American Black Bear), but overall we've got all the animals it takes to make a great North America section.

And now we get to the big ones.
Africa of course got the most animals, and it makes sense considering how many common zoo animals originate from Africa. It basically got two dedicated packs (Africa and Arid), with other additions in basically every non-regional pack, minus aquatic. The grassland and desert part of Africa is definitely very fleshed-out, with dozens of animals available.
Tropical Africa, however, got a limited number of additions over the years, and it's still carried by its base-game animals (which, to be honest, make up a very good selection)... The only thing missing now is some kind of smaller monkey, perhaps a guenon.
Madagascar also got enough animals to create your average Malagasy section, which usually means a couple lemurs and fossa.

Similarly to Africa, Asian animals are also easy to find in any non-regional pack. In addition to that, while "Asia" as a whole never got its own DLC, we got packs for Southeast Asia, Eurasia, and now what looks like India/South Asia.
As of now, Southeast Asia and Central Asia have some of the best representation in the game, with well-balanced and varied rosters, and while South Asia has a few holes they will hopefully be filled by the upcoming pack. Even the Middle East has a few animals, although most if not all of them are shared with Africa.
The only region that may still be missing a couple animals is East Asia, with several people advocating for species like the raccoon dog and other Chinese/Japanese animals.

And now, the big issue everyone is aware of: South America.
While every other continent got its fair share of animals, including Europe and a few specific regions of Asia and Africa, the most biodiverse continent in the world got repeatedly shoved under the bus - even in what was supposed to be a dedicated pack. On paper, South America has 46 species in-game... But in reality, if we exclude all the nonnative domestics and exhibit animals, we end up with a mere 20something habitat animals. Applying the same treatment to Europe, we get approximately 18 animals.
The thing that's really frustrating about this roster, aside from the limited number of animals, is the actual choice of species itself: two of these very limited animals are domestic camelids, two are caimans, and most of the other animals aren't even exclusive to South America, but rather shared with North America (noteworthy examples include the peccary, armadillo, flamingo, and cougar). As a result of this, we can't really make a South American area that really stands out, because it's going to be either filled to the brim with the exact same things that are already in a North American section, or incredibly empty, with only the few "big ticket animals" and not much else.
After nearly six years, it's almost unbelievable that we only have two monkeys from the region - one of which was added this year. The Americas Pack that we all waited so long for gave a small boost to the roster, but didn't fully commit to fixing the problem and instead gave us the Bighorn and coyote (which I actually love, but not as much as a coati or mara).
 
Because for europeans wisents are the very big conservation deal, swans on the other hand, we see them commonly around cities and lakes where people go feed them, not much shouting "ZOO" or "EURASIA" over the animal. Saiga could have been also better pick for the overal theme and it's unique animal and more people recognise it than the wisent.
Honestly, wisent was probably their best bet.
The swan doesn't feel like a strong selling point to a casual player for the reasons that you explained, and nor does the wild boar (which, at least where I'm from, is seen less as a zoo animal and more as a pest that comes out of the woods to destroy your crops).
Takin and Saiga were probably too weird for the average player. The sloth bear could have been a bit confusing since another bear is also the face of Southeast Asia. Wolverine was a good second choice, but wisent is just a far more solid choice because of its conservation story and the fact that it's already a recognisable animal (cause it's a bison, and people know what that is)
 
What happened I just sat down and opened the forums and everyone is going on about a rhino has something been teased
we got a pack teaser heavily asian inspired so people are going crazy about rhino.
I mean, they'd be pretty small and hard to spot in a 180m² enclosure (which is usually the minimum required habitat for every other animal), and the babies would be a huge problem... Imagine how small they'd have to be.
Out of curiosity, are prairie dogs still our smallest habitat animals, or has their title been taken by something else?
the skunk, koala and kiwi all have a minimum of 180 same as a single prairie dog however when you consider the prairie dogs need a minimum of pairs to be happy which if your caring about space your caring about group size that minimum shifts to 192 placing it above the armadillo, fennec fox and pangolin at 182.

The is also the problem that the game physically wont let you build a habitat of less than 100m2 it just doesnt register the interior so the games smallest animals will eventually reach a limit on how small they can get.

also in my opinion 16m2 is still way too big for anything that actually needs the exhibits considering that is bigger than some apartments and definitely over the size of standard bedroom. Imagine trying to spot a single spider or tortoise in box the size of your bedroom full of plants.
 
We basically just got one of those... everyone seems to hate it because it had the wrong animals... at this point, would another be any different?
Well they can't keep ignoring the big names missing from SA that they left out from Américas pack if they make another southamerican DLC. Brazil or Amazon animal pack could work but would leave out mara, Pudu, vicuña, for instance but could cover most of the rest we want: coati, howler, squirrel or spider monkey, tamarins, agoutis, tamanduas, etc..
 
The is also the problem that the game physically wont let you build a habitat of less than 100m2 it just doesnt register the interior so the games smallest animals will eventually reach a limit on how small they can get.
I tested this to verify and it doesn't seem to be correct. Here's a habitat that's a mere 8m2
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I feel like Australia Pack was less about the country and more about the island/"continent" (subcontinent?), and I think this pack will be in the same boat. So, I don't think this upcoming DLC will be called the India Animal Pack, but rather the South Asia Animal Pack.

Another reason why I think this is that, seeing how recent DLCs worked, it's probably going to include scenery... and I doubt the theme for the scenery is gonna be called "India" again (since we already have an India theme in the base game).
the is next to no chance it will be called south asia animal pack considering its only one word from the current most complicated pack name and is as clearly a proper noun like every other multi word pack name has been. a generic asia pack or india pack seem more likley to me

Oh, I've been secretly hoping for the obviously-never-going-to-happen Japan Animal Pack for a while now. Tanuki, Japanese badger, leopard cat, masked palm civet, sika deer, Japanese serow, green pheasant? My heart.
Japan has a surprising amount of zoo relevant animals compared to its since and biodiversity that make it very viable as a pack idea.

I think they in this context will consider India a subcontinent rather than a country. If I remember correctly, it is already referred to as a subcontinent in the game. I suppose in the Indian scenario map but I might remember wrong.
not by the zoopedia but maybe its mentioned in the scenarios.
btw an argument i just thought of for the elephants not being in the pack: would you not have those be the headliner animal if you were adding them since they're like, the most recognizable animal?

edit: if my theory is correct this may also rule out the asiatic lion but chances are we get both and the sumatran rhino
It would probably be too confusing to players since their other subspecies are in the base game the lion is literally the base game headliner and neither look very different at a glance so I doubt they would make a good pack headliner.
 
I tested this to verify and it doesn't seem to be correct. Here's a habitat that's a mere 8m2
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animals don't work in them though like yes the system says its 8m2 but put any animal in and if its under 100m2 the game refuses to calculate traversable terrain. You can however have a habitat thats over 100m2 with less than 100m2 accessible to the animal the total area just must equal 100m2
 
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