Do you care about preventing combat logging?

Do you care about preventing combat logging?

  • Yes

    Votes: 174 26.5%

  • No

    Votes: 483 73.5%
  • Total voters
    657
  • Poll closed .

Vorxian

Vorxian
Combat logging is cheating ridiculous C&P mechanics.

So long as C&P mechanics are cheating me, I'll be cheating it.

800cr fine for destroying me, flying clean in my cutter carrying max cargo + rebuy can be +/- 40m credits. Innocent victim = 40m credit loss. 800cr fine for murderer, and a wheelbarrow full of LOL's enjoying every moment of 'rage'.

No thanks: instant 'task kill' command on voice attack for a quick easy shirk of this impossible to endorse C&P system.

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So i voted no. Much more pressing root cause issues to develop / fix first.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Vorxian said:
Combat logging is cheating ridiculous C&P mechanics.

So long as C&P mechanics are cheating me, I'll be cheating it.

800cr fine for destroying me, flying clean in my cutter carrying max cargo + rebuy can be +/- 40m credits. Innocent victim = 40m credit loss. 800cr fine for murderer, and a wheelbarrow full of LOL's enjoying every moment of 'rage'.

No thanks: instant 'task kill' command on voice attack for a quick easy shirk of this impossible to endorse C&P system.

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So i voted no. Much more pressing root cause issues to develop / fix first.
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Dura lex sed lex. Badly designed C&P is not a justification for cheating.
Cheating is still cheating.

Help us to make influence on FD to correct C&P mechanics instead of cheating and confirm them CL is ok.
 
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Sandmann

Sandmann
Novo Mundus said:
If you personally never combat log, because it's cheating, and your not a person who cheats, you take a hit to your resources.

This makes it unfair.
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If the game were a race to see who could collect the most widgets you'd be right, but it's not. What you do or don't do in game has absolutely zero impact on what I do. You could combat log from here to christmas and it wouldn't make a single piece of difference to my game. Oh sure, you might alter the BGS in ways you wouldn't if you'd had to rebuy, but so what? There's thousands of people altering the BGS every day, it doesn't make a lick of difference what one of us does or doesn't really.

Novo Mundus said:
This is another point really. They don't need to take anything from you, I see that a lot on the forums, it seems like if it doesn't directly affect me, then I shouldn't care... that seems counter productive to the betterment of a game you enjoy.

For instance, I don't explore very much, but I wouldn't want FD to stop making that experience better for those who do enjoy it.

I also utterly despise the resource extraction site shooting gallery "bounty hunting" system, but I don't engage in it, so it doesn't directly affect me. It's existance still bugs me.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... you don't like exploring but you don't want it stopped... and you don't like res harvesting so you don't do it but the fact that others do it bugs you, and people shouldn't be able to CL even though it has no real impact on if they do or not? Why exactly should people be prevented from doing something that you agree has no impact on you? You don't want to stop them exploring or mining or res harvesting even though you have no interest in them and they have no impact on you, but when CLing has as little impact on or interest to you it's some sort of cardinal sin?

I don't mean to critisise you, I'm just not getting where you're coming from. It's sounding a lot like "they shouldn't be able to do this thing that really has no impact on anyone else just coz I don't want them to do it"
 

Vorxian

Vorxian
ryan_m said:
No dude, don't you get it? It's OK to cheat in this game to avoid a loss.
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A ridiculously and ludicrously unbalanced loss against that of which the 'murderer' gets.

Make the murder pay for my loss and I'll delete the VA command in an instant.

Until then, the joke is on the C&P system.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
ryan_m said:
No dude, don't you get it? It's OK to cheat in this game to avoid a loss.
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I get it. Cheating is a cheating. There is no justification.

I met rebuy screen over 100 times. Sometimes 30 mlns+. My insurance claim is over 200 mlns at now. its one day of making money. I never combat logged. Its cheating. I decided to play a game with these rules and i am following them. Its a respect for other players who are in open with me.
And gaining money is so easily and only a man without a honour will combat log. A total ignorant.
 
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Troopi

Troopi
Something tells me, that even when this poll ends with a majority of No's, someone will just create another post requesting punishment to combat loggers.

I think the issue in itself is unfair. It's extremely hard to differentiate a combat log-off from a crash, or an internet break, or even a server failure.
But instead of arguing about this, I think we should give alternate ideas to correct the offensive effect of a combat log to winning players.
And so, my opinion is this:
Since multiplayer is implemented via p2p, it's just a matter of programming from the dev's part. They made so that if a player disconnected, his ship would disappear.
Some games like homeworld have made a different approach. If a player looses connection, his ship is automatically changed to an NPC (same name, same ship, same stats, same shield, hull, etc... damage already done). If the other player kills it, it gets the proper bounty prize, and tastes the victory, without knowing he was playing against an NPC.
It's a "dungeon master's" trick that can make everyone happy.

Cheers.
 

Miklos Atreides

Miklos Atreides
Sandmann said:
Yes, it's another poll, coz we all love polls, right? The title says it all.

Yes, combat logging is against the rules - no argument. This is not a thread about changing that. I'm just wondering how many players actually give a damn about it, or who have their game negativley impacted by it. Or even if it doesn't impact your game directly but you still feel strongly that it should be enforced more than it already is (or isn't).

Personally it doesn't impact me and I really don't get why it bothers people. If I were interested in PvP I'd consider combat logging to be a win anyway. Your mileage may differ, of course.

So... who cares? Stand up and be counted.

Clarifications:
- Combat logging IS cheating - there is a rule that says so. That is not disputed.
- Logging out through the menus is legal as has been stated clearly by the devs.
- Combat logging is probably very difficult if not impossible to prevent entirely. This is not a call to enforce i,t NOR is it a call to abandon it. I'm simply curious as to if you CARE about combat logging.
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No, I don't care on it simply because I am not engaged in combat. I defend cargo, life and ship but have not a stake in PVP. Nevertheless I believe it is an ethical attitude to play along the rules, even if you can bend or break them. So combat loggers are playing an unethical style and if they can get punished for it I am fine with punishment according to their foul playing. It just doesn't hurt me today and in the near future.

Regards,
Miklos
 

Vorxian

Vorxian
Kyokushin said:
Dura lex sed lex. Badly designed C&P is not a justification for cheating.
Cheating is still cheating.

Help us to make influence on FD to correct C&P mechanics instead of cheating and confirm them CL is ok.
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I agree to help influence FD on this C&P mechanic.. but in lieu of not doing something about it, it's up to the players to do something about it.. and avoiding a broken mechanic is as good a way as any.

So I sort of agree with you, but until then, protesting is the only way to go.. folks making noise about it on the forum is a good an advert as any to.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Vorxian said:
I agree to help influence FD on this C&P mechanic.. but in lieu of not doing something about it, it's up to the players to do something about it.. and avoiding a broken mechanic is as good a way as any.

So I sort of agree with you, but until then, protesting is the only way to go.. folks making noise about it on the forum is a good an advert as any to.
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Man - gaining money is so easy in that game. Make protest against poor C&P, but please - do not combat log. Its really not cool.
Get a rebuy on the chest sometimes, like a real man. Even if you get destroyed, then you will have respect of your enemy, and next time if you meet him you will see 'o7 cmdr', not your nickname on CL movie on Youtube ;)
Really, join exclusive gentleman club who do not combat logging.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Becky said:
All activities regardless of game mode effect the background simulation; solo players in T9 ships affect the BGS just as much as people playing in open. This has always been the case as far as I'm aware.
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Storris' argument is flawed in your eyes (and mine) because we do not assume combat logging is a significant problem. Storris' activities in-game (presumably) expose them to a constant stream of CLers, so it is at the forefront of their mind.

None of us have any solid evidence either way, but I can understand Storris' more cynical view, just as I can with players that think there are griefers everywhere in Open based on anecdotal evidence.
 

Sandmann

Sandmann
Kyokushin said:
I know, i am talking about overall. Open is more populated than all mobiuses. Not only mine opinion, my friends also ckeched it..
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Yeah sorry, there's no way anyone can check it other than fdev, and they're not giving info away. We have numbers for total sales and members of mobius, but no way to know how many of either of those groups are active at any time, and even less info on the number of people in solo. We also have steam numbers but since there's members not using steam there's no way to know what percentage of the active player base they represent. The only other relevant data we have is the rather impressive growth rate of mobius.

Anything else people will try to sell you as facts is pure fluff.
 

Drelthar

Drelthar
Sandmann said:
If the game were a race to see who could collect the most widgets you'd be right, but it's not. What you do or don't do in game has absolutely zero impact on what I do. You could combat log from here to christmas and it wouldn't make a single piece of difference to my game. Oh sure, you might alter the BGS in ways you wouldn't if you'd had to rebuy, but so what? There's thousands of people altering the BGS every day, it doesn't make a lick of difference what one of us does or doesn't really.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... you don't like exploring but you don't want it stopped... and you don't like res harvesting so you don't do it but the fact that others do it bugs you, and people shouldn't be able to CL even though it has no real impact on if they do or not? Why exactly should people be prevented from doing something that you agree has no impact on you? You don't want to stop them exploring or mining or res harvesting even though you have no interest in them and they have no impact on you, but when CLing has as little impact on or interest to you it's some sort of cardinal sin?

I don't mean to critisise you, I'm just not getting where you're coming from. It's sounding a lot like "they shouldn't be able to do this thing that really has no impact on anyone else just coz I don't want them to do it"
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The important part of what I was trying to say, is that having such cheats basically built into the game, make the games overall quality lower, which affects everyone, if indirectly.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Sandmann said:
Yeah sorry, there's no way anyone can check it other than fdev, and they're not giving info away. We have numbers for total sales and members of mobius, but no way to know how many of either of those groups are active at any time, and even less info on the number of people in solo. We also have steam numbers but since there's members not using steam there's no way to know what percentage of the active player base they represent. The only other relevant data we have is the rather impressive growth rate of mobius.

Anything else people will try to sell you as facts is pure fluff.
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Anyone can get-in check players, log few times in most populated places and get conclsion :) thats all.
 
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ryan_m

Banned
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Vorxian said:
A ridiculously and ludicrously unbalanced loss against that of which the 'murderer' gets.

Make the murder pay for my loss and I'll delete the VA command in an instant.

Until then, the joke is on the C&P system.
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Why should I pay for the losses of a trader that refused to comply with my piracy demands AND refused to put a shield on their ship? That's just as much on you as it is on me.

If you prepare, you won't die. Problem is, people want this game to be Euro Truck Simulator so they can get easy credits with no danger, which is why combat logging is a thing.

The sad thing is you're openly admitting to cheating at this game on the official forums and will literally face no repercussions for it. Imagine if I started bragging about all the millions of credits I got with this money hack script I found somewhere. It's essentially the same thing, but you delude yourself into thinking you're in a morally superior position because of "unbalanced C&P system".

You're not.
 

Moritz Norman

Moritz Norman
I voted Yes. I think PowerPlay or CG based Combat Logging -> Solo work around is pretty frustrating as an exclusively Open player.

The PvP community tracks these clowns though, so they'll never get respect from other combat pilots. "My name is my name," -Marlo.
 
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