Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

[Enderby]

Surely, in a way, it's a great thing as it looks like loads of people are heading there to help out.

A nice display of compassion and cooperation.

Bleach drinking advice notwithstanding.

 

[UmbraRex]

TIL that suggesting someone kill themselves is a rational response to a civil comment on the internet.

Having not to long ago lost someone to Cancer, toward the end rational does not apply to their thought processes.

I don't know Dove, or what his current state is, or what treatment he is undergoing or has endured. But for the last two years of her life my Wife was nearly impossible to live with. It was all I could do sometimes to not yell at her for her unreasonable demanding self absorbed attitude. She found fault with literally everything anyone around here did and said. I spent a year in therapy after she passed working thru the repressed anger.

So Dove's response doesn't surprise me. It's not something a reasonable person would say, but it doesn't surprise me.

 

[nosleepdemon]

When someone is dying of cancer, I say let them say whatever they want. You can’t imagine the suffering he’s going through. I’ve seen it happen to family members.

With any luck, they shall remain oblivious to their immense social faux pas for as long as possible. With that said lads, and I mean this with no malice - you may one day be in a situation similar to the guy dying of cancer. Hopefully not, but it is possible. I would wager any money that, should that time come and you remember your actions in this thread or possibly against the mega ship, you would feel a twinge of regret.

 

[Lucifera Danzig]

Hey,

I just wanted to step in and leave a quick post.

I understand that players are upset by the actions that have been taken. It's important to know that we are also upset and do not condone the actions of people trying to tarnish a fantastic and worthwhile community event. However, I would also say that calling out members of the community team as not being bothered is also very unfair.

Paige was the person that took the concept and worked with development to try and support a fantastic community initiative. She is equally as invested in the success of this voyage as the hundreds of Commanders taking part.

I understand that emotions can run high when actions are taken in such a way. But please do understand that this and the many other memorials that exist throughout the galaxy are a way of Frontier and the team celebrating and supporting the community to give them a permanent in game reminder of their loved ones. We are very pleased to be able to add these memorials in game as we feel this small service is of great value and comfort to those who have lost friends or family.

I think that by trying to shine a light on this issue, you are misunderstanding the level of thought and consideration that goes into making memorials like this possible and the care that the whole team have for our community.

On this specific issue, as many people have mentioned, if the shut down has happened because a player has used legitimate game mechanic then we would be looking (and supporting) Commanders using in-game mechanics to reverse this.

We are currently investigating to ensure that this was indeed done through legitimate in game means and not an exploit as well as other comments made from the Community. We will let you know once we have finished investigating the issue. In the meantime, could I ask that we remain considered in our responses and please refrain from directly targeting any member of staff for a game related decision.

Many thanks,

Zac

What about the specific point on whether or not there ever should have been a black market on the ship in the first place? That's a point raised more than once in the discussion.

 

[Ouberos]

I stopped reading here.

Don't tell me what to do!

The Drink Bleach comment is a figure of speech. One that is likely lost on those under 40, but that was Dove E's point.

Silly you and all the others who took that literally. It simply means.... Sod off! You don't get it, go away!

My remark about choosing something even more toxic was to simply put double underlines under the actual intent.

Hope that clears things up for you?

You make me smile. I think I like you.

I also feel sorry for you, and maybe one day you will understand why.

Fly Dangerous Cmdr.

 

[Goose4291]

Hey,

I just wanted to step in and leave a quick post.

I understand that players are upset by the actions that have been taken. It's important to know that we are also upset and do not condone the actions of people trying to tarnish a fantastic and worthwhile community event. However, I would also say that calling out members of the community team as not being bothered is also very unfair.

Paige was the person that took the concept and worked with development to try and support a fantastic community initiative. She is equally as invested in the success of this voyage as the hundreds of Commanders taking part.

I understand that emotions can run high when actions are taken in such a way. But please do understand that this and the many other memorials that exist throughout the galaxy are a way of Frontier and the team celebrating and supporting the community to give them a permanent in game reminder of their loved ones. We are very pleased to be able to add these memorials in game as we feel this small service is of great value and comfort to those who have lost friends or family.

I think that by trying to shine a light on this issue, you are misunderstanding the level of thought and consideration that goes into making memorials like this possible and the care that the whole team have for our community.

On this specific issue, as many people have mentioned, if the shut down has happened because a player has used legitimate game mechanic then we would be looking (and supporting) Commanders using in-game mechanics to reverse this.

We are currently investigating to ensure that this was indeed done through legitimate in game means and not an exploit as well as other comments made from the Community. We will let you know once we have finished investigating the issue. In the meantime, could I ask that we remain considered in our responses and please refrain from directly targeting any member of staff for a game related decision.

Many thanks,

Zac

Thanks for the response Zack. Dont worry, most of the community is trying to fix it ingame.

However heres a shovel. Dig your shell scrape deep and be prepared for some OTT calls.for you and Paige to be fired, like the ridiculousness with SJA and the AI update.

 

[GG7]

Hey,

I just wanted to step in and leave a quick post.

We are currently investigating to ensure that this was indeed done through legitimate in game means and not an exploit as well as other comments made from the Community. We will let you know once we have finished investigating the issue. In the meantime, could I ask that we remain considered in our responses and please refrain from directly targeting any member of staff for a game related decision.

Many thanks,

Zac

Thanks Zac,

I certainly don't envy you guys with this one.

I suspected based on the location and distance involved that this was achieved via an exploit, and it sounds like you will handle things approriately if that is determined to be the case here.

Other than that... If these actions were accomplished through legit in-game mechanics then all that can be done is to try and counter the effects through in-game methods.

No matter what the final result, it doesn't change the fact that this is a very depressing turn of events for the game's community, and I share the sadness of that realization with everyone who grasps that fact. We all like to think we have a great community/family that are more or less on the same page.

Then something like this happens.

Thanks for touching base with us.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

When someone is dying of cancer, I say let them say whatever they want. You can’t imagine the suffering he’s going through. I’ve seen it happen to family members.

Should see the suffering I was going through when I was constantly putting a blade to my own throat.

Joking about suicide is not okay. Using suicide as a derogatory term isn't okay.

I've lost all respect for DE.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I arrived at Colonia from the bubble on Sunday evening after 3 days travel. It is my 4th trip out here in the last months and i used following waypoints: Rohini, Skaudai, Gandharvi, Kashyapa. I always check for traffic and realised something strange.
There was an unusual high traffic report, including a Type-10. Since i am in a PG i might have followed them without realising. I landed at the ship yesterday and it was still fine.

I have Colonia's traffic report for Sunday recorded as 550ish, which is fairly typical for weekends ever since 2.4 was released. Nothing unusually high, anyway.

On that scale one or a few commanders UA-bombing wouldn't even be a rounding error (and the T-10, with its relatively poor jump range, would be a terrible ship to try UA-bombing Colonia with - they'll almost certainly have used Anacondas for the combination of high jump range and high internal count ... but then, lots of people round here use Anacondas)

Wait a minute, so not only does this mechanic completely render a station unusable, it's tilted 5ish to 1 in favor of offense?

:| That's some great game design, lou.

UAs need to be collected individually (which isn't slow, but isn't "buy all" fast either), and are corrosive so you can only safely haul 2 per internal, maybe slightly more if you're careful. So maybe 25 per ship, probably more like 20. MAs can be bought in bulk and transported normally, so 500 or more per ship. Even divided by 5 that's still at least a 4:1 balance in favour of the defenders - in this case you can't just use the raw tonnage as a measure.

(The ratios used to be more in favour of UAs, but there was a CG a while back which made meta-alloys more effective, and since then virtually nowhere has stayed disabled for very long)

 

[777Driver]

Question for the experts, I was under the impression UA's wreck a ship unless fitted with 2 tonne corrosive racks. That means 18 tonnes maximum on a Cutter, how does someone haul enough of those MA's to cause a ship 26,000Lys away to potentially shut down?

 

[Bryan K]

Question for the experts, I was under the impression MA's wreck a ship unless fitted with 2 tonne corrosive racks. Thats means 18 tonnes maximum on a Cutter, how does someone haul enough of those MA's to cause a ship 26,000Lys away to potentially shut down?

MAs are safe. No ill-effects whatsoever. UAs are what you’re thinking. How they got enough out there is a mystery to me.

 

[BuddyE]

I have Colonia's traffic report for Sunday recorded as 550ish, which is fairly typical for weekends ever since 2.4 was released. Nothing usually high, anyway.

On that scale one or a few commanders UA-bombing wouldn't even be a rounding error (and the T-10, with its relatively poor jump range, would be a terrible ship to try UA-bombing Colonia with - they'll almost certainly have used Anacondas for the combination of high jump range and high internal count ... but then, lots of people round here use Anacondas)

Should have been more precise. I meant the traffic at my waypoints. That was way higher.
And you don't nee CRCR for UAs. Just be fast on jumping (high-class scoop needed) and you avoid the damage. And have AFMUs for the meantimes. People have taken them to Sag A without CRCRs.

 

[Ouberos]

Having been a part of this community for three years, I've transitioned from despising the antics of groups like Smiling Dog Crew to realizing that they're the only ones who truly realize that they're playing a video game.

When there's a doxxing threat or even actual doxxing, it's from a salty PvEer.

When combat logging is being defended, it's by a salty PvEer.

When there's a fraudulent DMCA notice, it's from a salty PvEer.

When the discussion moves to RL threats, it's from a salty PvEer.

When there are calls for bans and KOS lists, it's from a salty PvEer.

Not all or even most PvEers do this, of course... but between those who have gotten gud and those who have gotten salty, it's clear who the adults are.

That's all this thread needs, an OPEN Vs PG discussion! Come on dude, there's real emotional going on here.

 

[UmbraRex]

Question for the experts, I was under the impression UA's wreck a ship unless fitted with 2 tonne corrosive racks. Thats means 18 tonnes maximum on a Cutter, how does someone haul enough of those MA's to cause a ship 26,000Lys away to potentially shut down?

UAs, but yes, they cause damage to ships periodically if not held in a corrosion resistant cargo rack.

edit: ninja'd

 

[777Driver]

MAs are safe. No ill-effects whatsoever. UAs are what you’re thinking. How they got enough out there is a mystery to me.

Yes, corrected my post, I used to haul MA's out of Maia. Whoever did this hauled UA's, as far as I am aware UA's destroy ships unless hauled through 2 tonne racks.

So either it takes a tiny amount to shut down a ship/station or a massive effort got the required amount there.. Final option is somebody used a hack.

 

[Bryan K]

Hey,

I just wanted to step in and leave a quick post.

I understand that players are upset by the actions that have been taken. It's important to know that we are also upset and do not condone the actions of people trying to tarnish a fantastic and worthwhile community event. However, I would also say that calling out members of the community team as not being bothered is also very unfair.

Paige was the person that took the concept and worked with development to try and support a fantastic community initiative. She is equally as invested in the success of this voyage as the hundreds of Commanders taking part.

I understand that emotions can run high when actions are taken in such a way. But please do understand that this and the many other memorials that exist throughout the galaxy are a way of Frontier and the team celebrating and supporting the community to give them a permanent in game reminder of their loved ones. We are very pleased to be able to add these memorials in game as we feel this small service is of great value and comfort to those who have lost friends or family.

I think that by trying to shine a light on this issue, you are misunderstanding the level of thought and consideration that goes into making memorials like this possible and the care that the whole team have for our community.

On this specific issue, as many people have mentioned, if the shut down has happened because a player has used legitimate game mechanic then we would be looking (and supporting) Commanders using in-game mechanics to reverse this.

We are currently investigating to ensure that this was indeed done through legitimate in game means and not an exploit as well as other comments made from the Community. We will let you know once we have finished investigating the issue. In the meantime, could I ask that we remain considered in our responses and please refrain from directly targeting any member of staff for a game related decision.

Many thanks,

Zac

With all due respect, you guys put a black market on a deep space research vessel. That decision deserves every ounce of criticism and hostility it recieves.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

On this specific issue, as many people have mentioned, if the shut down has happened because a player has used legitimate game mechanic then we would be looking (and supporting) Commanders using in-game mechanics to reverse this.

We are currently investigating to ensure that this was indeed done through legitimate in game means and not an exploit as well as other comments made from the Community. We will let you know once we have finished investigating the issue. In the meantime, could I ask that we remain considered in our responses and please refrain from directly targeting any member of staff for a game related decision.

Many thanks,

Zac

Sorry. Completely disagree with you there.

What does it even matter if it was done through legitimate means?
Why give a commander a memorial and grant him a wish (to visit colonia) and then let others defile it?
Why was there a blackmarket on this ship?
Leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

I hope some media outlets pick up on this.

 

[Ozric]

Question for the experts, I was under the impression UA's wreck a ship unless fitted with 2 tonne corrosive racks. That means 18 tonnes maximum on a Cutter, how does someone haul enough of those MA's to cause a ship 26,000Lys away to potentially shut down?

Time and dedication.

 

[BuddyE]

Pls. see my post above, it can be done. Not sure if it was done that way, but possible.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Well, that's me on my way.

See you in 22,000Ly