EDO Performance low priority

[Muzz UK]

The optimization thing is pretty bad. Things are fine in space but on a 7th gen i7 and 1080 I would be expecting much better performance on planets. It's the same engine used on surfaces that the game has run on for years, sure it's rendering and loading new assets but I don't expect this should hit performance as hard as it is. I mean its gotten hell of a lot better during updates but still pot luck I get 70fps sometimes others 20fps.

I would expect more optimization in next weeks patch otherwise I'm going to be quite angry if something is left until console release

 

[MacIntoc]

Well, I should have posted my reference in the first place.

The quote from DB is:

"I have been playing on my old home machine from 2014, which has an Intel i7 Extreme CPU and a GTX 980 GPU, 16 Gb RAM, playing at 1080p full screen at Ultra. I was doing this so I could have a good feel for how the game was playing on older hardware, and I used this same machine during Alpha. I have also been playing on a high spec 2021 dev machine."

Odyssey Progress

Greetings Commanders, With our first hotfix now released and another one arriving very shortly, I wanted to take a moment to address the wider community feedback and reports regarding performance issues, server outages, and bug reports within Elite Dangerous Odyssey.     First and...

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In your defence, despite he tried the alpha with an old setup, he still validated the release. So, when he say that they had no clue the game was broken at launch, the two obvious conclusion anyone could draw from that are :
1°)the perf was good enought
2°)he's screwing us

If someone have another conclusion, he's welcome

 

[dubsdj]

According to the roadmap, we are not to expect performance optimisations to take place until the run into console. This is ridiculously stupid in my opinion, and one of the main reasons EDO is currently rated on Steam as a steaming pile of dog trash. I have a GPU which can brute force the issue so that i can have an acceptable frame rate (mostly), though when i say acceptable, i'm making a lot of concessions, and essentially mean "not a slideshow".

In the last hour i played Apex Legends, 144 FPS, with my GPU junction temperature at around 60 Celsius, (junction is the hottest spot). Within the same hour i hopped onto EDO, and in the station concourse i was getting 60-70 fps with my junction temperature at around 82 Celsius. De we see a problem here? I do. FDev are losing a lot of potential gamers to absolutely garbage performance, and what borders on malware in it's abuse of people's GPU's.

EDO is going to continue to be rated as trash on gaming sites for as long as it's performance is trash. FDev are kneecapping the game before it can even get out of the gates, and show its potential. A lot of the current playerbase of Elite won't even play the damn thing, because of the performance issues, how is it supposed to hook in new players?

Resolving the performance issues so that the average player can get decent frames whilst not murdering their GPU should be top priority in my opinion, or EDO will be consigned to the garbage bin on sites like steam. And deservedly so.

I completely agree, performance should be the first thing they need to fix as it'll mean we can actually play the game.. bug fixes to follow unless they are game breaking bugs.

 

[Lone_star]

Guys we just have to wait for server meshing to get implemented..... oh sorry wrong thread

 

[Calim]

If you want to push people to buy new video cards you need to show them a reason to. That means having some amazing graphics, not the garbage we’ve been given in EDO. None of this is anywhere near worthy of even pushing the limits of a 2070, let alone a 3070 or above.

Well, you'd just have to sell the initial game, get players addicted (or very interested), promise an awesome add-on then do a release with higher spec requirements.
I don't think the amazing graphics is the only appealing criteria. There is also the fantasm of ground walking, the overall promise/spirit.

I feel a bit trapped I should say. But I'm not buying a new graphic card soon. I didn't for cyberpunk btw

 

[photomankc]

Well, you'd just have to sell the initial game, get players addicted (or very interested), promise an awesome add-on then do a release with higher spec requirements.
I don't think the amazing graphics is the only appealing criteria. There is also the fantasm of ground walking, the overall promise/spirit.

I feel a bit trapped I should say. But I'm not buying a new graphic card soon. I didn't for cyberpunk btw

Buy what even? People with 30 series are seeing about the same perf in the problem areas. $1700 for another 7 to 12FPS?

 

[wingus]

Guys we just have to wait for server meshing to get implemented..... oh sorry wrong thread

"wait" was from right thread.. year or two

 

[Cmdr Derzelat]

What the connection ?

The blu..... Armstrong moment!

 

[Erei]

The blu..... Armstrong moment!

It's the Kirk moment, but without the pretty and very open minded aliens.

 

[Mogen Teras]

In your defence, despite he tried the alpha with an old setup, he still validated the release. So, when he say that they had no clue the game was broken at launch, the two obvious conclusion anyone could draw from that are :
1°)the perf was good enought
2°)he's screwing us

If someone have another conclusion, he's welcome

I think the most damning part of Braben's statement was that he never once actually indicated what KIND of performance he was getting. Just that it was "playable." In terms of console performance, 30fps is playable and what most console games tend to target.

It was a lie by way of omission. If he never tells us what framerates he was getting, then technically all of our PCs are getting "expected performance."

 

[Erei]

I think the most damning part of Braben's statement was that he never once actually indicated what KIND of performance he was getting. Just that it was "playable." In terms of console performance, 30fps is playable and what most console games tend to target.

It was a lie by way of omission. If he never tells us what framerates he was getting, then technically all of our PCs are getting "expected performance."

Braben is the CEO and hold 33% of the company shares (making it the biggest shareholder by nearly 3 times the next one).
He was fully aware. He was very likely even responsible for deadline and release date. At any time he could have chosen to delay the release. He did not.
It was published a few day before the end of the fiscal year, where he was boasting growth "thanks to Odyssey sale" to his shareholders.

 

[Lone_star]

Braben is the CEO and hold 33% of the company shares (making it the biggest shareholder by nearly 3 times the next one).
He was fully aware. He was very likely even responsible for deadline and release date. At any time he could have chosen to delay the release. He did not.
It was published a few day before the end of the fiscal year, where he was boasting growth "thanks to Odyssey sale" to his shareholders.

The only other alternative is that they are so insanely incompetent they didn't realize how bad of a state the game was in.

I don't think that's anywhere close to plausible - even if they aren't the best developer on earth - they wouldn't be able to build the alpha version they did release if they were that incompetent.

Of course it's certainly plausible that they thought it was in a good enough state that their player base would accept it (which wouldn't say much about what they think of their players). I do kind of wonder if they are surprised they finally found the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back".

 

[Erei]

The only other alternative is that they are so insanely incompetent they didn't realize how bad of a state the game was in.

I don't think that's anywhere close to plausible - even if they aren't the best developer on earth - they wouldn't be able to build the alpha version they did release if they were that incompetent.

Of course it's certainly plausible that they thought it was in a good enough state that their player base would accept it (which wouldn't say much about what they think of their players). I do kind of wonder if they are surprised they finally found the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back".

Could be. Maybe Braben's home computer is their only Q&A ? He said it was playable, and they said "ok then, we can release it".

 

[Mogen Teras]

they wouldn't be able to build the alpha version they did release if they were that incompetent.

I mean Cyberpunk definitely released half broken and we know they're better than that from their previous work. So it's true incompetence may not be the reason. Part of it maybe.

 

[Erei]

I mean Cyberpunk definitely released half broken and we know they're better than that from their previous work. So it's true incompetence may not be the reason. Part of it maybe.

We don't, witcher 2 and 3 were a mess at release.
They worked hard and turned them into classics.

 

[Lone_star]

We don't, witcher 2 and 3 were a mess at release.
They worked hard and turned them into classics.

I think the Witcher 3 is probably on a lot of people's short list for "best game of the last 10 years". That earns you some goodwill.

 

[Erei]

I think the Witcher 3 is probably on a lot of people's short list for "best game of the last 10 years". That earns you some goodwill.

Yup, and it was buggy at release. And optimization was a mess.
Still, here we are now.

 

[Mogen Teras]

Yup, and it was buggy at release. And optimization was a mess.
Still, here we are now.

Well, yes and no. It's performance wasn't GREAT at launch, but it wasn't "25-30fps on the current best available hardware" bad. And it did get better. But it was certainly a lot more playable than Cyberpunk was at release.

And certainly a far cry from how EDO launched

 

[Lone_star]

Well, yes and no. It's performance wasn't GREAT at launch, but it wasn't "25-30fps on the current best available hardware" bad. And it did get better. But it was certainly a lot more playable than Cyberpunk was at release.

And certainly a far cry from how EDO launched

Honestly from what I've seen... Cyberpunk on PC (setting aside console) was in a much better state at launch than Odyssey.

 

[Mogen Teras]

Honestly from what I've seen... Cyberpunk on PC (setting aside console) was in a much better state at launch than Odyssey.

LMAO which is indeed saying quite a lot considering last gen consoles were borderline unplayable with Cyberpunk. PC was notably better but even then left a lot to be desired. There wasn't a huge internet hoopla over Cyberpunk for no reason.

So the fact that EDO is worse than that is damning