Cause it would kill the background sim, noone would ferry cheap food for example across systems, and (virtual) people would die of stavation.
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Cause it would kill the background sim, noone would ferry cheap food for example across systems, and (virtual) people would die of stavation.
Although I agree with the general idea, having an entire event based on a special plant and then limit it to 6 supply is kinda meh :-/
Hopefully as the event unfolds (why did it drop from Galnet news btw?) things will change
I'm going to pick the middle ground of the number you just gave. 450 per ton. And let's say you're running a 100t of cargo space. And you can drop of at a station, sell AND buy again for 450 per ton profit. That's 270,000 per hour...
If I wanted a decently kitted Anaconda I would have to do that trade route for around 750 hours.
But I'll be able to upgrade to bigger cargo ships before then.
Ok. Let's triple the cargo space.
250 hours.
No.
Thank.
You.
Things have only changed to increase grinding since gamma. Given the current trends I wouldnt hold my breath.
Which is why a part of the potential long term permanent galactic economy solution (among other things, cue my sig!) is to limit the background sim / AI trading / NPC trading to goods of 500CR or less, and let real players deal with the expensive goods.
Michael Brookes
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So how quickly do you think you should be able to buy one of the biggest ships in the game?
Michael
If nobody would carry food there, the demand would rise, the price they would be willing to pay would rise and then people would do it because it just became a profitable trade route. THAT is what we are expecting to see in this game, not a flat almost everyone has the same price and same meager(*) margins everywhere that we're left with right now.
(*) possibly not true in _small_ ships but certainly so in mid and large sizes with corresponding higher upkeep costs.
No. Try reading what I actually wrote, and you'll see I said the exact opposite. My objection is to them forcing their playstyle onto their paying customer by nerfing a mechanic which worked relatively-well before. I don't deny it might need tweaking (for either supply volume or asking price), but this nerf is just that - a deliberate nerf without actually fixing anything which was really broken before.
At this rate you'll be making a game that you want to make, but you'll have no one wanting to play it apart from you with all the nerfing
The problem with this idea, in my mind, is that small ships don't tend to have the jump range to make the long-haul trips for 'rares' viable, but 'rares' don't spawn in large enough quantities for long-range trade ships to make good use of their holds.
The basic function of the mechanic- commodities that sell for more the farther they're taken -seem ideal for long-haul cargo running in moderate-sized, long-range jump-capable vessels. I didn't even consider rare trading a viable option due to the long-range travel until I had a well-upgraded Cobra, if that. If I was a new player that maybe just barely afforded a Hauler, I just wouldn't be able to rationalize traveling such long distances even if it was profitable.
Add in the fact that some stations have such low or random supply spawns that you maybe get nothing or only one ton every so often, and the whole ordeal starts to get tedious very fast. As much as we love your docking mechanics, a number of us would rather not have to do it so often it gets repetitive. With the way trading in general has become, I feel that's a valid and pressing concern.
No sir playing as a trader is not very lucrative. My Asp with 96tons will not make enough to upgrade to a python in the near future. Even then it is strictly a back and forth run that has lost its luster after trip 75. Every attempt to go my own way has resulted in taking a massive loss.
Everyone in this thread is whining about the rare commodities. They are rare, get over it.
Why are we gimping exploration when its already the least profitable and least scalable activity in the game?
That's a perfect scenario, that doesn't include insurance cost or upgrades, or losing any money or cargo during that 750 hours.. Not to mention, its "750" hours of pure TEDIOUS grinding. Never stopping to experience any other part of the game, or do ANYTHING other than float back and forth and land. Which you know wont happen.
Doesnt matter how long or short it takes if its not any fun.
Thank you for the reply.
Well, I'm a fairly casual player so let's say I play 10 hours a week. It's actually more at the moment, but it'll die down as the game becomes less new. Man, That's well over a year of playing at 10 hours a week.
That is just way too much time to reach endgame in my opinion.
Because the reward of exploring is exploring, not profit, get over it. See, I can do what you can do.
Sorry. Didn't actually answer your question. Definitely much less than a year of consistent playing is the best answer I can give.
I disagree with this. I was playing with a person last night, we made the jumps to Eranin, he was in a hauler...with some judicious modifications to do this...(less the ignored fuel scoop which turned into an issue before the night was over) and ultimatley they were able to bank 300K. I did have to rescue him from his own silliness, 1 misjudged jump and he came up short on fuel, but overall he would have been fine if he wasn't trying to rush the very last jump.
With such small profits on regular goods and such small limit on rare what's the point of having bigger ship with much higher maintenance cost and high insurance? This is a game with almost non existent story the only way to get enjoyment is to progress to bigger ship. Progress that what keeps people interested if there is no progress there is no point to waste time. If it is just pew-pew then there are a lot of more simple games for this which you can play 1 hour just to relax and go back to your life.
Devs don't forget for you the game is your work for all other is a game.
Devs don't forget for you the game is your work for all other is a game.
Please stop dodging the question.
What is the current Frontier Developments DESIGN GOAL of how quickly someone should be able to buy that ship?
For pity's sake, Michael, you're talking like a politician trying to be re-elected. Just tell us what the number is, in hours, from your design document. If you don't have a number, tell us that, too.
750 hours at one hour a day is over 2 YEARS of casual play, to get an Anaconda, using your hypothetical numbers. If that's within the realm of possible & reasonable, I'm very concerned, myself.
Michael Brookes
Game Director
A souped up Sidewinder (or even better an Adder) is perfect for this type of run.
Michael
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