Elite Dangerous is not a sandbox

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Tobytyke1972

Tobytyke1972
kilvenny said:
Elite defined the genre in 1984 and this is Elite Dangerous, Elite 4 or Elite 2014. Sandbox, open world etc. Who cares - no need for labels. This is Elite! There was nothing like it in 1984 and there is nothing like it in 2014. No need to confine it to a supposed genre it stands unique.
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Too true,

Also if all games in a genre were the same then there would not be a need for so many games.

People that like to control their spaceships in a cockpit, and being part of a universe instead of ruling it choose elite.
People that like to have more direct control of there universe by becoming a big wheel in the system choose EVE.
People that want to wait choose Star Citizen (Sorry low blow ;) )
 

Slopey

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Sisyphus said:
but what was historically once considered a sandbox game is not persuasive to me now - today I will compare a true sandbox game with whatever else is available and make my judgment based on that. I don't live by the 1980s definition today...
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Your definition of sandbox isn't mine. If you come on a forum trying to enforce your own personal definition, you're going to have people disagree with you.

Pointless topic - are you just trolling for reactions now?
 

Aleksej

Aleksej
Sisyphus said:
No offence to the fanboys of the old game here. I know I'm treading on some toes here because you guys are going to be very defensive of your old love. And that's perfectly ok, but I can't let my rationality slip to accomodate anyone's feelings. :p

That is, I'm not familiar with the original game and I don't think I have to be, in order to recognize what a sandbox game is today.

Today it's about the meta-game that makes a game a sandbox game. We can argue about actual definition of a sandbox game, but what was historically once considered a sandbox game is not persuasive to me now - today I will compare a true sandbox game with whatever else is available and make my judgment based on that. I don't live by the 1980s definition today...
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I cannot really understand how is it even possible to rush into such conclusion (that the game is not sandbox) basing on the Alpha version of the game! It is the early stage of the game development, we go from the most simple adding more difficult elements at each major release.

Given that only a single player version was released back in December 2013 (Alpha 1), would you state then that the there is no multiplayer in the game?

Next week SC Arena Commander is released without PU, so SC is also not a sandbox?
 

Sisyphus

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Bob_H said:
Poor Sysiphus. There you are trying to bait us in to insulting you so you can run off and shout at people about how mean we are when all we do is politely disagree and discuss.
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Que? I've ignored the insults and not complained about anyone... what are you talking about? :S
 

Jorlin

Jorlin
Adept said:
No.

As for the topic, a sandbox game doesn't mean it needs to be like EVE. This is not the true definition of the word, no matter how much you EVE-players like to claim it is.
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I truely hope it won't be like EVE.
Don't get me wrong, i played EVE for years (started in Beta there), but if i wanted another EVE, i could have stayed there.
I loved the market there and a few other things. I did build a lot of things...was one of the first to get his hands on an Interceptor blueprint.
But i expect ED to be completely different. I want it to be different.
I just like the "lone wolf" approach of ED, something EVE lost very early in the game. I simply don't want another game "forcing" you to build alliances by focussing on content for larger groups of players.
 

Sisyphus

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Thorn Black said:
Do You know what Elite is planning to release in addons ? now if thats not enough then i dont know, but i personally havent felt sandboxed when playing EVE. Idk i think it may be the immersion level, hard to say. Everyone has its own gusta. And nobody is talking here about how EVE was look like when they were starting.
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Yes I know what is planned. Maybe the future ED will be sandbox. It isn't now.
 

Bob_H

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Sisyphus said:
Yes, those features would be very welcome, although i'm talking about Alpha 4.03 right now.
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Then I'm sorry but what you're saying is irrelevant to Elite Dangerous as Alpha 4.03 is a test bed and not a game. If you come back when we're in the Gamma phase, have a good luck around and still think the same way then we can have a more reasonable discussion but trying to make out that Alpha 4.03 isn't a sandbox game is... well, it's true. It's not any kind of game. It is the core of a game that is playable to some extent but shouldn't be mistaken for a game in its current incarnation
 

Sisyphus

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Tobytyke1972 said:
How can you comment about a completed game by just using an alpha (Working model is you)
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We can talk about what the completed ED game will look like and whether that is a true sandbox or not, but the preliminary matter here is whether ED is already a sandbox or not. If it already is, then the latter discussion is moot. If it is not currently a sandbox, we can proceed to the next part of the discussion. Are you willing to concede that as of Alpha 4.03, ED does not have the features necessary to define it as a sandbox? If you are not willing to concede that, then we will be stuck arguing over whether this alpha is or is not a sandbox.
 

Thorn Black

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Sisyphus said:
Yes I know what is planned. Maybe the future ED will be sandbox. It isn't now.
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Then the entire topic is pointless dont You think ?
I hope changed your mind. Becouse i know how both games were beggining. Im old enough for it, that doesnt mean i live in 80s standart. And i understand What You mean by creating and controlling parts of space, this game its a different sandbox, will have tons of things that EVE does not have and also will not have things that EVE have ...
 

Sisyphus

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Bob_H said:
Then I'm sorry but what you're saying is irrelevant to Elite Dangerous as Alpha 4.03 is a test bed and not a game. If you come back when we're in the Gamma phase, have a good luck around and still think the same way then we can have a more reasonable discussion but trying to make out that Alpha 4.03 isn't a sandbox game is... well, it's true. It's not any kind of game. It is the core of a game that is playable to some extent but shouldn't be mistaken for a game in its current incarnation
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I partially agree with you, in that it is not a sandbox game yet. But I disagree with you that this discussion is irrelevant - clearly some folks here are arguing that it is already a sandbox! Also, this discussion is relevant to the development of the game - I'd like to share my criticism of the game so that it may perhaps impact others opinions and maybe some developers. The bottom line is that I would like more control over the meta game in this game and that is hampered by not giving us more meaningful access to features that can affect the overall game - sector control, tax control, ability to topple empires, etc. I don't think the latter is even planned...
 

Tobytyke1972

Tobytyke1972
Sisyphus said:
We can talk about what the completed ED game will look like and whether that is a true sandbox or not, but the preliminary matter here is whether ED is already a sandbox or not. If it already is, then the latter discussion is moot. If it is not currently a sandbox, we can proceed to the next part of the discussion. Are you willing to concede that as of Alpha 4.03, ED does not have the features necessary to define it as a sandbox? If you are not willing to concede that, then we will be stuck arguing over whether this alpha is or is not a sandbox.
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Sisyphus, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a flame war here. As most people have said you can't just an alpha on the finished product. Its like looking at a car engine and saying that its not a car. Yes correct but when its finished it will be.

I don't believe that any has been rude to you they have just stated facts. Firstly this is really not true definition what a sandbox game is just example of games which push the genre forward. Elite did it, GTA did and yes so it EVE. ED is just trying to push the envelope a little wider.Will to achieve that only time will tell.

Secondly you are trying to push your idea of what a sandbox game in as gospel this can not be the case because if so why call it sandbox instead just call it EVE.

Surely we can all agree that if ED achieves all its original goals (and extensions) then whether you or idea term the came as a sandbox is irrelevant what is important is that we are playing a great game and having fun in the process.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
I wouldn't have described Elite (any version) as "sandbox" - that for me applies to more sort of "what if" games - so many of the Sim series of games (SimLife, SimEarth, etc.) for example where you can - within the limits of the game engine - change all sorts of parameters and see what happens as a result. They're more - as I think the SimEarth manual described it - "software toys" rather than "games".

Open-ended, open-world, etc. yes, definitely. No argument at all that Elite (all versions) is that. Sandbox, no. (and neither, by a similarly long way under my definition, is EVE)
 

Luniticisi

Luniticisi
I didn't read everything here, so if this has been said before .. ignore me.

Elite Dangerous is not a "Sandbox" game it is an "Open-world" game and yes that is a different thing :)
 

Maxeren

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Tobytyke1972 said:
Sisyphus, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a flame war here. As most people have said you can't just an alpha on the finished product. Its like looking at a car engine and saying that its not a car. Yes correct but when its finished it will be.

I don't believe that any has been rude to you they have just stated facts. Firstly this is really not true definition what a sandbox game is just example of games which push the genre forward. Elite did it, GTA did and yes so it EVE. ED is just trying to push the envelope a little wider.Will to achieve that only time will tell.

Secondly you are trying to push your idea of what a sandbox game in as gospel this can not be the case because if so why call it sandbox instead just call it EVE.

Surely we can all agree that if ED achieves all its original goals (and extensions) then whether you or idea term the came as a sandbox is irrelevant what is important is that we are playing a great game and having fun in the process.
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+1 this :)
 
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