Elite Dangerous is the Largest Empty Sandbox Ever Made

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Except for the fact that roughly 80% (or more) of all people who bought the game (nearly 3 million copies sold) aren't playing anymore. That should make a game designer go "hmm" why did they stop playing?

That's true for almost every other game out there and a very bad argument. Not saying you don't have a point, but your argument is non existant.

PS
Fallout 4: 5 million owners, 500k active players
GTA 5: 8 million owners, 1.6 million active players
TES Online: 1.5 million owners, 127k active players
Eve Online: 1.5 million owners, 60k active players

According to steam spy.
 
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Anyway it's crystal clear Elite Dangerous will gradually decline into obscurity, if Frontier doesn't add a ton of sand to the shallow sandbox.

Oh please.

Crystal ball gazing is only good for straining your eyes. 'Hold on I'll just get my crystal ball out, consult some Steam statistics and I'll make up a post to support my idea'.

All you are saying is that the game will die unless FD do what you say. Just as others say weekly and have been saying weekly for years. How many of them have been right?

Nope, can't find one.
 
It makes sense for World of Warcraft.. you pay a monthly subscription and Blizzard has 200-300 full time developers building new rides..

Yet another apples and oranges comparison from the clueless.

WoW is an RPG. Elite Dangerous is a Sim/Shooter. What makes sense in WoW isn't particularly relevant, as it's a different genre with different mechanics. Comparing the two and complaining that Elite Dangerous isn't like WoW is just ignorance.

I also highly doubt the 200-300 FT developers claim. Maybe across all games and platforms, but I'd be surprised to see that many on just WoW alone.

Roughly 80% (or more) of all people who bought the game (nearly 3 million copies sold) aren't playing anymore.*

* Citation Needed.
 
Because this game's sandbox is very shallow with little sand.

IMO you must have a very limited imagination and or no in-game friends. With little of both I've managed to enjoy this game practically every day since commercial release. Even the immense drifts in logic FD occasionally throw up (such as HSL mats requirements) I'm OK with because it's about the big picture.

My advice to you - quit Elite and quit this board.

p.S. If you do I can haz ur stuff right?

EDIT: And oddly in nearly everyone of these threads various posters manage to steer the conversation to mentioning a selection of other MMO titles. Odd that.
 
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everybody will stop playing it any moment now. Must happen considering people say that for years now, no way the great internet experts from reddit could be wrong, they just got the date a bit wrong.
 
That's true for almost every other game out there and a very bad argument. Not saying you don't have a point, but your argument is non existant.

PS
Fallout 4: 5 million owners, 500k active players
GTA 5: 8 million owners, 1.6 million active players
TES Online: 1.5 million owners, 127k active players
Eve Online: 1.5 million owners, 60k active players

According to steam spy.

And Elite Dangerous has what 6k active players tops. Right now 2,662 are In-Game via steam ( if you add console players and non-steam maybe optimistically 6,000). You call that a success?

CCP doesn't shy away from disclosing how many players are logged into Eve Online:

Tranquility; ok (18,777 players)
Status Serenity; ok (5,947 players)
Status Singularity; ok (50 players)

http://eve-offline.net/

Eve Online has more than 25,000 people playing right now. Frontier is too ashamed to reveal the exact number of people who are playing ED, because it's considerably less.

Current record: 41,736 (2007-11-06 07:28:14)

http://eve-offline.net/?server=multiplicity

ED will not last another 5 years if they don't add a lot more sand to the sandbox.

Sorry but it's the truth.
 
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And Elite Dangerous has what 16k active players tops. You call that a success? ED will not last another 5 years if they don't add a lot more sand to the sandbox.

No, Elite Dangerous has currently 65k players on Steam (usually that number is around 80-100k, it goes up and down) + 100-200k on the other platforms.

Anyway, that's why we are seeing continous updates, improvements and expansions. Not sure what you are trying to tell me.
 
Im constatly surprised how enjoyable some things are that I'd not considered before. Mining 500T for Selene for instance. I had a ball doing that, whilst fighting off pirates in a HazRes in the fighter. Blasting around the roids, FAoFF. I even accidently did my first ramming on a FAS in my conda. Haha sucker. All the while BBCR6 in background with Mark Riley's show. (man I love that show)

In this game, as it is in life, the love you take is that which you make.
 
You who create such threads have become jaded. Don't get me wrong, I recently started getting very vocal about the things I think are wrong, after initially sitting quietly for a long time. BUT, hile I do like a good rant about the latest debacle FD has created for themselves, the actual core of this game, the ships, the flight mechanics, the weapons, the way they interact (thermal/kinetic/absolute), the way the pips affect systems, the balance in the module sizing for different ships, balanced against hardpoint layout and size. The sheer complexity of the 'base' of the game, the ships, is mind blowing. It;s as involved as any character build in any other MMO, and engineering put the cherry on the cake, allowing players to minmax as they please.

What I'm trying to say is while the galaxy is a little dull, the content a little dry, Thargoids a little underwhelming, diminishign returns confusing and open CGs a grief-fest, if the next space game you buy doesn't 'fly' as well or better than Elite, you'll be back.

FD is a company of brains. Brains are very clever, but rarely very smart, take the vid about the swarm recently, my god that's awesome. But I can't help thinking, did it really need to be that special? It doesn't matter what I think, the point is that AS MUCH effort goes into this game as ANY OTHER on the market, it's just that FD put that effort into areas which are less obvious, less visible, and frankly, less normal. These things still add to the game though, and in profound ways that might not immediately be obvious, but would be if they were missing.

The result is a game where the devil is in the details and to see the forest, you really need to use your imagination.

Imagination+elite=fun.

noimagination+elite=just a really great spaceship combat sim and little else.
 
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No, Elite Dangerous has currently 65k players on Steam (usually that number is around 80-100k, it goes up and down) + 100-200k on the other platforms.

Right now 2,662 are In-Game via steam. If you include the non-steam and console players it's maybe 6,000 (I think less than that).

Eve Online has 30k players logged in on an average day. A recent record is 41,736 (2007-11-06 07:28:14).

http://eve-offline.net/

FD is a company of brains. Brains are very clever, but rarely very smart, take the vid about the swarm recently, my god that's awesome. But I can't help thinking, did it really need to be that special? It doesn't matter what I think, the point is that AS MUCH effort goes into this game as ANY OTHER on the market, it's just that FD put that effort into areas which are less obvious, less visible, and frankly, less normal. These things still add to the game though, and in profound ways that might not immediately be obvious, but would be if they were missing.

FD has put their efforts into Horizons for the last two years which is fair, because they promised those things.

Beyond has to make the sandbox of ED deep though. The development team of 100 people (probably less) isn't big enough to release huge content updates every few months. We know based on the last three years that the development speed is glacial.

So since Frontier can't or won't churn out content quickly like Blizzard does for WoW, the only way to retain and bring back many players is by improving the core features (Beyond) and make the sandbox deep and meaningful with things for the players to mold and control.
 
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Player owned capital ships like the Fleet Carrier and in-game guild support will be major improvements. The game needs more player controlled content though.

I cant disagree more. imo the game needs more npc content and relations to build with npcs. for me (player controlled) guilds and all that could well be the death of my interest in the game.. but that is the thing about opinions, they all differ.

what will fix the game for you would most certainly kill it for me. long term however i fear you will get your wish.
 
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Success does not automatically equal being good or better. JBieber is successful, yet his drivelous tunes are like nails down a blackboard to me.

I dont play using steam.
 
Right now 2,662 are In-Game via steam. If you include the non-steam and console players it's maybe 6,000 (I think less than that).

Eve Online has: 41,736 (2007-11-06 07:28:14)

http://eve-offline.net/?server=multiplicity

LOL

First, I looked at the correct number on steam spy which is active playbase during two weeks and that one is at 65k (= unique active players). It's also the number I used for comparing the other games in my earlier post. You are looking at concurrent players which is the number of players in the game right now.

Second, according to your source 41,736 is the all time player record for Eve. I am sure Elite also had more than 2,662 concurrent players on the launch day...

Third, your source must be either completely wrong or the point you are trying to make is utterly ridiculous. According to your source there are currently 3 players playing Eve.

Try again.
 
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I was just reading the reddit post that quote was taken from, and to be fair to the OP on reddit he does bring up some fair points.

Popped over here to check new posts saw this thread and well you know what comes next, OP lights a fire, and it gets peed on by the normal "there is nothing wrong brigade" Somtimes it really does feel like the bilnd leading the blind around here.

Its almost become comical, look mummy I can slam somone on the internet. Anyway there was an intresting thread around here somwhere I wanted to check so best go and do that.
 
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