Elite Dangerous is the Largest Empty Sandbox Ever Made
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What you don't understand is that Powerplay is a PvEvP activity. There is no reason anyone should engage in direct PvP apart from fun simply because there isn't a single reward for engaging in PvP. This should tell you enough about the game, it's simply not about PvP.
Goose4291
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Which is exactly the point I was making. It's a shame as well, because that first few months of powerplays implementation, where we had supply convoys, people running escort for others, organised wing attacks on other powers and QRF teams reacting to neutralise them, before people realised they could achieve the same results with less resistance and challenge from the comfort of the other modes, was a second golden age for me of this games lifespan.
I think we're verging on semantics territory here, because the players are the power, and the plan (as I understood it) was to reward their (the players) risk/effort in open.
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There's no guarantee that a player will be less efficient in Open - there is, of course, the possibility that it would be the case. Therefore a blanket bonus would be ill applied (as most of the galaxy is as devoid of other players in Open as it is in Solo or Private Groups - and there's no guarantee that any players encountered are hostile, more skilled, in a ship that provides a threat, etc.), in my opinion.
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Keep in mind that some players can't play in Open. Why should they be penalised?
Also, there's three different Opens - PC, Xbox and PS4. You'll never stop (or even see) PS4 players from doing what they do if you're on PC. You'll also never stop/see players who are on your platform but are always going to be instanced differently due to ping times, network speed etc.
The concept of 'Open' is really very wooly indeed. There's no one Open, there's certainly no 'true' Open, so the concept of buffing/nerfing one particular bit starts to become foolish.
OR they just don't care about direct PvP.
No it doesn't. The reward and incentive to play in open is to meet and have fun with other players. If you want to play the META game than that's your choice, but it's not going to dictate how we play the game.
Yes Im not playing at the moment your point being?
Just because someone is not playing does not mean their views do not matter, nor that they shouldn't be posting or god forbid reading the games forums.
I have just under 1500 hours in game, not that it matters, and have said many times I love ED but unlike others my head is not inserted up the Devs colective rear end.
The funny thing is there are toxic threads but you know what if I have nothing to say in them positive or otherwise I dont post thus the thread might just go necro or you know we can moan about the moaners moaning about the moaners thus fueling what we precive to be a toxic thread.
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If people want to play a competitive PvP game where all people are forced to play in Open they should look for another game, because apparently Elite isn't it and there are no plans to turn Elite into something like that.
Goose4291
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(i) At no point did I say there wasn't an 'E' element to powerplay
(ii) I just gave you an example of why it was worthwhile to engage in direct PvP over powerplay. If a player for Group A can stop another for Group B dropping off 500t of fortification tokens, costing them time and ingame assets (particularly when you remember at the time, ingame credits actually had meaning and weren't plentiful) then it's a worthwhile reason.
Robert Maynard
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DBOBE himself commented on PowerPlay in an AMA:
For fun
That said, it could be worth thinking about reducing the impact that solo & group players have on the political simulation.
Unlike community goals, Powerplay is a swinging balance - ie solo players are also balancing solo players.
Semantics are key to discerning meaning, so yes. Sandro's point was indeed related to players in Open having a harder time - which would seem to refer to some players some of the time - as not all players will encounter opposition, even in Open.
Yes, this would be good if the game would be about PvP.
This+1. The 3 first month of PP was great stuff, but it was a pain to make it work :
1) Instancing pains
2) No Tools to know where the red team players are on the gal map. Often it went : Hey dudes, we're running a convoy from A to B at time X, want to try to stop us ?
3) Less risk, and way more effective in solo (but damn boring). This meant that any "competitive" / effective PP play was better done in solo rather than trying to do emergent stuff in open.
Huge waste IMO.
And It would have been so simple to make it work :
1) Open only. Sorry, but that's the truth, for PP to work it needs to be open only. I'm a fan of solo/groups, but PP is a huge wasted opportunity because of solo/groups.*
2) Limit the number of targets for fortification/expansions, so that players are cluttered there. That is, much improved chance to meeting people.
3) Add a map mode displaying the density of player supporting the different powers that are currently online in open. => get them boys !
It would have been a great PvP playground, with natural convoy raiding and justification for both organizing it and attacking it. IMO, it would have pulled
PvP in a way nicer place than it is today.
Note that those changes are not crazy bonker hard to do (IMO) and would make PP like 1000% better.
Playing PP in solo/groups is a bit like playing Risk, where each player play on their own board : a boring and broken game.
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Actually it does mean that their views doesn't matter. Why should the game be changed in a way that suits those who don't play at the expense of those who do play?
Making the game more attractive for those who don't play without impacting those who currently play and enjoy playing the game is a good thing.
Therefore the input of those who don't play is interesting and does matter to some extend. So not entirely "not matter", just "matters less".
At the same time, players who play matter more than those who don't.
I keep finding new things to do and discover. Do I win £5 ?
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I don't play Power, so forgive my ignorance.
Is it really a worthwhile reason though? It would depend, could you drop off fortification tokens yourself in larger quantities than you can stop them? For example (numbers are very much bollox)
Situation 1:
In 1 hour on average you manage to stop 3 traders: 1500t not delivered.
In 1 hour on average you could have delivered 500t 6 times: 3000t delivered.
In this situation, the delivering party will always out-compete the blocking party.
Situation 2:
In 1 hour on average you manage to stop 6 traders: 3000t not delivered.
In 1 hour on average you could have delivered 500t 3 times: 1500t delivered.
In this situation, the blocking party will always out-compete the delivering party.
I am guessing 1 is more likely than 2, but because of former mentioned ignorance, is that the case?
Goose4291
Banned
Yep, which neatly ties into what I was saying about how they didnt think what the knock on effect of putting indirect pvp mechanics into a game where you can recuse yourself from player interaction would have.
Youre right but its a risk of encounter rather than no risk of encounter.
Only if you're a PvPer. To those who want nothing to do with PvP, it is neither boring nor broken, or they'd not be participating.
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