The biggest thing engineering needs to be fixed is massive stat compression across the board, especially for weapons and tank modules. I wouldn't be averse to engineered modules also being exempt from insurance so there's some actual risk to go with the increased power, especially now that gathering engineering materials is so trivial.
Elite Dangerous | Powerplay 2.0 Update
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I agree. Its a bridge to far for me but I cant help but think that those who spend their evenings sitting at a data port pressing the same few keys over and over and over again for hours on end might have preferred a reasonable fun alternative.
Is there a list somewhere of the activities that are currently working? It is unclear from all the things being disabled and then partially re enabled as to what activities actually still give merits. Would be nice to see a consolidated list of activities that work.
Confusion:
Mining has reports of never working, but I have not seen that acknowledged.
Trading was diabled? Maybe reendabled with some new nebulous requirement (40% profit calculated who knows how?)?
Trading rares is disabled?
Collecting Escape pods is disabled?
Stronghold combat works but was nerfed?
Bounty Hunting works?
Combat Zones never worked, or are intended to work and broken? Maybe they work?
Exploration was disabled? Maybe reenabled?
Exobiology is exploration data? Maybe disabled? Maybe reenabled?
I think a thread on what is currently known working would be really helpful as opposed to drip communication that does not seem to be updated in the OP when resolved.
Perhaps some patch notes would help here as far as what is intended to be working so that players know not to report bugs on issues that are intended. This seems like a total boondoggle from a comunication perspective.
Confusion:
Mining has reports of never working, but I have not seen that acknowledged.
Trading was diabled? Maybe reendabled with some new nebulous requirement (40% profit calculated who knows how?)?
Trading rares is disabled?
Collecting Escape pods is disabled?
Stronghold combat works but was nerfed?
Bounty Hunting works?
Combat Zones never worked, or are intended to work and broken? Maybe they work?
Exploration was disabled? Maybe reenabled?
Exobiology is exploration data? Maybe disabled? Maybe reenabled?
I think a thread on what is currently known working would be really helpful as opposed to drip communication that does not seem to be updated in the OP when resolved.
Perhaps some patch notes would help here as far as what is intended to be working so that players know not to report bugs on issues that are intended. This seems like a total boondoggle from a comunication perspective.
Mining works, but has some very bizarre restrictions like, mining goods need to be sold in the system they are mined in, or need to be mined in a Reinforcement System then sold in Acquisition or Undermining or something like that. Just doing a normal mining loop is unlikely to get merits.
Trading gives exponentially less merits the more you sell (for example, selling 1T gives you 3 merits but selling 10T gives you 5, and selling a full cutter worth maybe 200). So if you want to maximize merits via trading you have to sell one ton at a time, otherwise, it's very low gain activity
Bounty Hunting/CZ still works
Scanning megaships and hacking works, but has restrictions making it opportunistic rather than a way to grind
Everything else nerfed or disabled
it is genuinely insane to me that archon delaine
of all powers
gains no benefit whatsoever from piracy
31. My goal is 50 to unlock the ONE AND ONLY new reward that PP2.0 has to offer a veteran player, the Concord Cannons (50 because pledged to LYR), after which I was planning to stop actively trying to gain merits and leave any further levelling to passive incidental activities.Just out of curiosity…what powerplay rank are people on that are commenting on this thread
I don't need the rewards from any of the other 99 levels - I'm a multibillionaire, so any rewards involving credits are meaningless. I've filled up my engineering mats many times, so I don't really need any of the care packages (and haven't opened a single one). I've already got all the PP1.0 modules stored, so I don't need any more of those (I would welcome being able to buy them on demand instead of having them all stored, but that's more a statement of how ridiculous the 200 module storage limit is and always has been).
Darn, I hadn't got around to setting up a build for that yet, and it sounded like fun and I was planning on trying it tonight. With that nerfed it's questionable whether it will be worth my time to bother now.
They weren't nerfed - the system just changed BGS state so less were available for sale. It changed state back on Sunday and Soontil Relics became just as worth while as they were originally, until Frontier took them offline last night.
Remember when Frontier showed us a preview of what PP2.0 was going to look like and Arx were on the leaderboard reward list... Remember when they increased the price of everything in the Arx store but told us it's alright because they would be adding more ways to earn Arx in the future...? So much for that.
So, this is my big concern with fixing the data duplication glitch - I mean to be clear that SHOULD be fixed, but this week my weekly tasks involved downloading 27 (3 tasks, 8+8+11) specific types of power data from Odyssey settlements. In some runs I only found a SINGLE instance of the data it wanted me to download in the entire settlement - that might be a bit of a worst case, but repeatedly clearing out settlements 27 times to download 1 data each at 30 minutes per run is... 13 hours, and that will get what 1 rank, maybe 2? I've calculated that if I grinded Soontil Relics for 13 hours I would be at rank 50.
The weekly tasks should be limited to requesting 1 data, maybe 2 at most. There's still plenty of opportunity to do other power activities while at the settlement as a bonus.
Mining does work, but seems like it has to be sold in the same system it was mined, which limits it's usefulness quite a bit. I tested core mininig Monazite and was able to get earn around 4000 merits or so from one Mandalay cargo hold (don't remember the exact amount, I think it was around 80T or so?) in a system that was buying for 400,000cr/T, so that seems ok (I need to do some further testing to calculate merits/hour, etc - that was just an preliminary test of mining in general and wasn't even focussed on a single mineral).
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This is something that Frontier - even 10 years later - have never seemed to understand in Elite. Players will gravitate to the method(s) that respect their time investment the most. Shocking development, I know.
While I don't agree with using exploits like the data port method, and yeah, it should 100% be fixed, I can also 100% understand why some people chose to do it.
I will not be surprised if before long we'll see them nerf merits on combat activities, because guess what? That's now the most efficient method of gaining merits. So naturally, what do you think everyone is going to do?
Powerplay CZ's of all whats left is. But not for long.
imo 5-10 bil for system then arx for stations,settlements, etc
you system "cosmetics"
I agree with most of your post except number 2. Players that really want to do powerplay will just buy alt accounts and max them all out. You can't stop people from spending 100 hours on the game, you shouldn't even try. What you can do is make sure the merit/hour rates are relatively consistent across types of activities, with average normal rate and extreme min/maxed rates calibrated so players aren't encouraged into a single type of gameplay. Ideally, there should be no advantage to minmaxing but that may take time to calibrate.
Some jagoff on reddit posted pp was nerfed to 63 merits / hour max.
AS A JOKE!
I'm still angry after spending 20 minutes looking for the post here.
Not funny (but kinda funny.)
Dev's, instead of nerfing can you just increase the amout it takes to gain levels or even set up bgs like a real economy, flood the market and prices drop, high risk high reward.
Please I beg of you, I like hauling rares but not a lot of time and right now I pretty much have no PP actions I want to do due to these nerfs.
AS A JOKE!
I'm still angry after spending 20 minutes looking for the post here.
Not funny (but kinda funny.)
Dev's, instead of nerfing can you just increase the amout it takes to gain levels or even set up bgs like a real economy, flood the market and prices drop, high risk high reward.
Please I beg of you, I like hauling rares but not a lot of time and right now I pretty much have no PP actions I want to do due to these nerfs.
Oof, wasted my evening time doing restoration missions.
Completely untrue. Fortification takes maybe half of a dedicated cycle to complete. Acquisitions take a day to 3 days. On the positive side of this coin, where rares are available, the strategy is fast paced engaging. More and more people in my squad get HOOKED onto powerplay because of these moving targets and successes.
Undermining though? Practically impossible. We have two powers undermining a single medium sized system, and it's moved 40% of the way to the target in almost an entire cycle. This is important, because the merit gains left in undermining appear to be the target that they're pushing this towards.
Nerf!
That's pretty overstated. More like 5k/hour in the majority of cases. If you get a public holiday it'll go up, of course, but those are quite rare and often don't occur in a system you can also mine in.
And you get a whopping 1.5 merits per ton of power play commodity. It's a joke, nobody does that because it doesn't help. Absolutely perfectly balanced. At rank 100 you get access to 500tper 30 minutes, giving you 750 merits, or 1500/h. Or you can Kill 10 SLF at a stronghold carrier in 45 seconds and get the same amount.
What needs to happen is a rebalance based on time investment first and foremost, then skill required and risk.
FD really screwed up. First people hand in exploration data, then that is removed. Then genetics data, then that is removed. Then trading, and that is removed. And with this there is basically nothing left but holo hacking, which is more of a gimmick than actually viable, combat, and power commodities, which, as stated, is ridiculous. A rank 1 gets 10t of allocated cargo, giving 15 merits per run. that is 30 merits per hour. first rank is what again? 900 merits? that's 900/30 = 15 hours for one rankup.
The other problem is that power play is inherently player versus player, either direct or indirect. It shouldn't be possible for someone in a private group or solo to make merits directly or prepare to make merits by, for example, stockpiling 25000t of rares or mined commodities on a fleet carrier, jump that somewhere and then unload, either in open or private. Everything would have to be done in open, so that it can be countered.
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