meh..flood. Sounds like a <seriously cry baby sensors>-ization of the Zerg.
Elite Dangerous Universe Vs The Borg
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Even the Kazon have better ships and weapons, and the Borg deemed them unworthy of assimilation.
I dont see terran nor protos wipe out life in an galaxy to stop the zerg from feeding.. something the forerunners did against the flood.
Agreed. They gain the assimilated knowledge (same as borg) but the IQ/Intelligence of the Gravemind goes up the more it gathers. And while they are organic, they can assimilate organic and inorganic components. They can even corrupt/assimilate AIs. And apparently the only way to reliably stop the flood... is to wipe out their food source and starve them.
And the forerunners also had shieldworlds constructed to save their race... and built the arc to save developing sentient species... before they fired the halo rings. Unfortunately (or fortunately), they ran out of time.
Of course, the forerunners were also jerks. They wiped out the Precursors, who created the flood as a revenge/doomsday weapon to get back a the forerunners. And then ancient space faring humanity ran into the flood first and did the same ruthless extermination of infected worlds the forerunners would later do while trying to warn the forerunners. The forerunners didn't listen, labeled us barbarians, de-evolved us back to cave men... and then had to fight the flood.
I, for one, am glad the forerunners are dead.
That sounds less like the merits of a great foe and more like the short comings of your game's protagonists.
The Zerg > flood (stupid name too)
Either way the Borg would assimilate both
All the while the shadows would pat themselves on their backs/thoraxes for a job well done regardless of who wins because they're OG that way. Silly baby species
The Zerg > flood (stupid name too)
Either way the Borg would assimilate both
All the while the shadows would pat themselves on their backs/thoraxes for a job well done regardless of who wins because they're OG that way. Silly baby species
Meh. All fiction protagonists/antagonists are limited by the plot and the writer(s), both of which can constantly change.
Yes, I too really liked that Shadows and Vorlons. Then it turned out they were acting like an (ancient) pair in a divorce fighting over how the kids (younger races) should be raised and pitting the children against each other for their "love." Which, in the end, is why my favorite race from that show was the Walkers at Sigma 957 whose attitude was basically "screw it, we're out".
More on topic, what I like about the Elite Dangerous lore is that - so far - none of the aliens (currently only Guardians and Thargoids) have acted in an incredibly stupid, prideful manner. Yes, the Guardians wiped themselves out in a civil war, but it was over something that is a very believable cultural conflict - augmentation vs. staying purely organic. That's even more believable given what the Guardians could do naturally with their bodies and their technological preference for bio-engineering and bio-weapons. As for the Thargoids, they're still enough of mystery that nothing "stupid" has come out yet.
Contrast this with the incredible stupidity/pride of the Ancients in Star Gate, the Kryptonians of Superman (pick any version you want), and several other sci-fi entries whom I'm currently blanking on. Heck, some people have even made Youtube videos about this.
So far Elite Dangerous has dodged this bullet. I hope they continue to do so.
Since we're now including other Sci-Fi universes beyond the OP's Star Trek one, the Terrans in Galactic Civilizations 3 would tear us and the Tharagoids apart. With Earth still shielded by the precursor tech and the fleet returning from the pocket universe, they'd be unstoppable.
But the Borg would win against us without much resistance. It would be like us throwing styrofoam cups at a nuclear bomber.
But the Borg would win against us without much resistance. It would be like us throwing styrofoam cups at a nuclear bomber.
It's not hard to dodge bullets when you've retconned all the lore.
The idea of parent civilizations controlling the child ones is pretty standard, it's based on our own institution of religion. So i found the activity of Shadows and Vorlons to be extremely realistic.
in the ED universe, humans have already shown massive mistakes due to pride. We have the AI issue that is still sorta canon. Created by us thinking our superior intellect would be masters to our creation and that turned out not to be the case. They're still out there.... (though probably not in the game). The Thargoids are in a civil war with eachother, getting ready to use the human race as a meat shield because they aren't able to be hostile enough to fight the other side.
Getting sick by a virus when their ships are organic and they've traveled to planet after planet many of which have indigenous life? You dont think that's a stupid trope? What organic ship - space faring species doesn't have viruses dealt with by then? They'd have been killed off exploring their first couple worlds if protecting themselves from viruses were a problem for them. I didn't believe it in that crappy tom cruise movie War of the Worlds and I dont buy it now.
If we just want to consider the ED universe only, i think the AI exiles would have created a rather large civilization by now. They would be so advanced compared to humans and thargoids by then, that they may not even care about a thargoid and human war. But if they did care, they would roll over both.
Bring on the AI apocalypse! I want a galaxy full of rubble and debris where ships have to be maintained by crafting garbage and there's nothing new because nobody is making new things anymore cuz everyone is dead or cut off from the collapse of galnet and stellar cartography.
ED Universe would get steam rolled!
Our technology is so far behind the Star Trek universe it's pathetic.
- We have to point our ships at stellar bodies and constantly adjust our heading and speed manually. In Star Trek, the helmsman can set a course and sit back and relax.
- We can't scan a planet to find surface anomalies or life. In Star Trek, scanning for info is second nature.
- We can't warp to wherever we want, we are forced to warp to a single point in any star system, then point our ship and constantly manually adjust heading and speed. Star Trek vessels can warp to and from wherever they want.
- We can't even walk, so when they powered down our ships, we'd just be slaughtered in our seats with our hands glued to the throttle and flight stick. In Star Trek, they can walk and have personal weapons.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Our technology is so far behind the Star Trek universe it's pathetic.
- We have to point our ships at stellar bodies and constantly adjust our heading and speed manually. In Star Trek, the helmsman can set a course and sit back and relax.
- We can't scan a planet to find surface anomalies or life. In Star Trek, scanning for info is second nature.
- We can't warp to wherever we want, we are forced to warp to a single point in any star system, then point our ship and constantly manually adjust heading and speed. Star Trek vessels can warp to and from wherever they want.
- We can't even walk, so when they powered down our ships, we'd just be slaughtered in our seats with our hands glued to the throttle and flight stick. In Star Trek, they can walk and have personal weapons.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Most viruses can't jump between species, let alone an entirely different biochemistry. An Earth-evolved nucleic acid based virus wouldn't have a clue what to do with whatever the Thargoids use for genetic material.
The lawyers always win.
Maybe, maybe not. One thing the ED universe has over Star Trek's is travel speed. My DBX can jump 45 ly in about a minute. It took Voyager, at maximum warp, two days to travel 15 lys (source). We pretty much travel at high warp when we're in Super cruise and we leave everything in the dust with our hyperspace jump tech. Sure a Borg Transwarp conduit might get you further faster, but only to fixed points. We can cross the galaxy WAY faster then they can. We're also doing it in civilian ships!
I can't find reliable data on Star Trek shield strengths. I'm not surprised...
Anyway, I've sad my peace. I'm going back to playing Elite Dangerous...
They didn't seem to adapt to primitive boomsticks. Picard with a tommy gun in the holodeck with the safety lock disabled in the video I posted earlier in this thread
So what nuclear bomber are you thinking of? B1. B52 ?maybe a Bear or Blackjack? With a bit of smarts Styrofoam cups could be very problematic to a jet. A Trident submarine would be harder to counter with cups but maybe not impossible you just need to be creative. One thing humans don't lack is creativity in making weapons
Now that I've been thinking about it and reading some, the thargoids and species 8472 are very similar, insectoid shaped, travels very fluid like through a different type of space, uses biological weapons and appears out of nowhere to annihilate something
species 8472 isn't silly enough to have gotten where they're at and be susceptible to a virus.
That's why they are superior to even the borg.
Also, you gotta consider that the thargoids are split...at war with eachother, need to have babies to reproduce that takes time to mature.
Borg are one. Can reproduce by conscripting their enemies and can communicate to eachother instantly.
Thargoid ships and such need to grow, and apparently that requires a certain environment. Borg ships can be built quickly using nanoprobes anywhere using the material of anything they find around them...including biological.
The borg dont even need to best the Thargoids in combat, they can just outlast them.
That's why they are superior to even the borg.
Also, you gotta consider that the thargoids are split...at war with eachother, need to have babies to reproduce that takes time to mature.
Borg are one. Can reproduce by conscripting their enemies and can communicate to eachother instantly.
Thargoid ships and such need to grow, and apparently that requires a certain environment. Borg ships can be built quickly using nanoprobes anywhere using the material of anything they find around them...including biological.
The borg dont even need to best the Thargoids in combat, they can just outlast them.