Elite: Harmless - Karma System aka "be the Tamagotchi" - FRESH SALT, MINED RIGHT HERE

How a computer game is played, does not qualify to label a person as evil, a coward, psychopathic or though. It's a game!

We are discussing pure entertainment value here.

Some people are less entertained if they are shot at by a player. Others are less entertained if they get restricted from shooting players.

Will a karma system raise the entertainment value of ED for the average player? That is the question.
 
So we are hating PVP griefers. And because of it we are evil and right?

Let me see what this really means? We are evil because we don't like to be used as clay pigeons by some people. Know what? Shuddup!

Your strawman doesn't save you from your own hypocrisy, friend.

But yes, it seems an improved C&P system would be entertaining. Anything to up the population in Open so I can eventually dirty up your paint jobs

As an aside, what's the problem being shot at by a human? Are you NEVER shot at by an NPC? Your ship is NEVER at risk in game of being destroyed? When it was destroyed was it because you planned it? Did you complain to devs that NPC X blew you up?

Nonsense.
 
The game was always meant to have a karma system in place it was in the design documents during kickstarter. I for one would of liked to of seen it before release just because it would of curbed all the trolls behaviour long before now. I for one can not wait for it be released. If you wish to behave like a criminal then it is time you were treated like one.
 

Minonian

Banned
The game was always meant to have a karma system in place it was in the design documents during kickstarter. I for one would of liked to of seen it before release just because it would of curbed all the trolls behaviour long before now. I for one can not wait for it be released. If you wish to behave like a criminal then it is time you were treated like one.

And if there is no "justice". Whom supposed responsibility to act in such cases do nothing? No karma system some in game resolution against peoples like this? Than all is left to fend off ourselves.
This is anarchy... Not in just some systems but in the entire game.

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Your strawman doesn't save you from your own hypocrisy, friend.

But yes, it seems an improved C&P system would be entertaining. Anything to up the population in Open so I can eventually dirty up your paint jobs

As an aside, what's the problem being shot at by a human? Are you NEVER shot at by an NPC? Your ship is NEVER at risk in game of being destroyed? When it was destroyed was it because you planned it? Did you complain to devs that NPC X blew you up?

Nonsense.

Between the two of us you are the one who strawmanning, twisting the others word. Mind you! In the whole time we talking about griefers, while you talking about PVP ers, and condemning us because we don't like them.
 
And if there is no "justice". Whom supposed responsibility to act in such cases do nothing? No karma system some in game resolution against peoples like this? Than all is left to fend off ourselves.
This is anarchy... Not in just some systems but in the entire game.

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Between the two of us you are the one who strawmanning, twisting the others word. Mind you! In the whole time we talking about griefers, while you talking about PVP ers, and condemning us because we don't like them.

This is how people who have no defense of their position behave, they call their position/themselves something else and defend that. Then they call you stupid for being confused by their gobbledygook.
 
Elite sure does have the worst anti-PVP community in any mmo currently.

It's a shame because this game could be so much more than a shallow shoot spaceships, space truck and procedural generate '''''explore'''''.
Instead of making idea's like powerplay mean anything as it was a horrendous failure, we get this disgusting entitled anti-PVP faction which has infiltrated the mod team of this forum trolling constantly banging on about changes only a minority want.

If you want the real story on how people view pvp in all its forms in elite, I suggest people check out the correct reddit threads, there was one done less than a week ago and in it most people were highly positive about even the 'worst' pvp ganking experiences and how most of them have never even experienced it or easily escaped. edit- for your consideration- https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange..._the_only_one_who_hasnt_had_a_bad_experience/

Instead of getting the game to hold the hand of some easily angered bad player, we should be focusing on how to improve this game from its quite stagnant state. Put some real features that work into the game maybe?
We have had horizions the best thing about that was the planets everything else was a bummer and it looks like the final patch will be some alien related stuff most people don't care about after the first 5 mins.

PVP could take this game some where, the 'elite dads' are seriously not worth one ounce of your time FDEV.
Make your choice but if you want to scare away the PVPers you are going to be out of pocket, Elite is a niche right now but there are many Sci-Fi mmos coming up, not just the other big one.
Atm the only competition is EVE and its an almost entirely different set up.
Anyway. I like the game, i think it could be more than it currently is, if you go down the wrong path you are going to lose more than just the 'gankers' and thats not just boasting, I've spoken to people about it, check out the discord talks yourself i see FDEV are on it.
Have a closer look at reddit, these forums are biased towards a minority.
That as well is the fault of you but you let that happen FDEV.

The worst anti pvp community you said? Do you mean we have to try harder to get the message of "this game being a pve orientated game" across?

My God... :(
 
I don't know about that. I spend a lot of time doing things in this game that I don't like in order to get something else that I want, like mining to unlock hull upgrades. I actually stopped playing for 3 months because I hated mining so much but it was the last engineer chain I could work on and I really wanted the upgrades.

Mining destroys my mind. In VR its practically torture.
 
In contrast, I find it immensely relaxing and visually pleasing

Oh, and it sounds great

I have very very limited time to play. So doing one thing for 10 hours straight is not really an option. Besides I would just go fishing if I wanted to relax. No need to sit indoors for that.
 
I have very very limited time to play. So doing one thing for 10 hours straight is not really an option. Besides I would just go fishing if I wanted to relax. No need to sit indoors for that.

I don't do it TO relax, it's just relaxing in itself.
 
As an aside, is everyone here playing on open? Can you clarify why people care about karma or c&p if y'all are going to stay on solo anyways?
 
As an aside, is everyone here playing on open? Can you clarify why people care about karma or c&p if y'all are going to stay on solo anyways?

Because the lack of such a system may be the very reason they play in Solo/Private, so the implementation could bring them back to Open
 

Minonian

Banned
Lol. You should read your own stuff, friend. Enjoy.

I know what I'm talking about i read what the others talking about. And it's not the same what you talking about, condemning us because of it! What means, since we are not in the same page, we not talking about the same thing? nothing of your so called slanderous "reasons", matters in the question what we talking about. You cannot prove we are wrong, if you talking about something different.
 
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And if there is no "justice". Whom supposed responsibility to act in such cases do nothing? No karma system some in game resolution against peoples like this? Than all is left to fend off ourselves.
This is anarchy... Not in just some systems but in the entire game.

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Between the two of us you are the one who strawmanning, twisting the others word. Mind you! In the whole time we talking about griefers, while you talking about PVP ers, and condemning us because we don't like them.

It's on you to provide better clarity and distinction to YOUR own position. As for my experience in the what, 5 days I've been here, is that ANY form of pvp or interest in pvp type activities is met with whaling, gnashing, and condescension from several people here. It's so prominent that i immediately wanted nothing more than to pvp against these people.

I just can't STAND this condescending, illogical, intemperate behavior, and I absolutely love that I have the opportunity to shoot down some of you, one day. I mean, clearly whether or not I'm any good it'll be awhile before I have ships you gotta worry about lol


But yes, again, karma: I'll happily fly the black flag and have to sneak in and out of systems to attack you. Bring it on. Sounds far more exciting than other trades on this game.

Not that those trades are bad, just that I'd much rather the immersion of piracy against human players.
 
I know. I have never mined a ton, my self.

It's one of the reasons I have never considered building a PvP ship. I can't be bothered to do things in a game, that I don't want to do.

I build some in betas, but only smaller ships. I don't have the patience to build a big one, even with fish.

I'm the type of player that runs G4 dirty drives, because the materials for G5 is to much hassle. :D

I've always been a completionist with gaming. I have to do everything and that's incredibly grueling in Elite. The fact that they keep putting out updates that actually remove rare mats from the game entirely doesn't help the process!

I'm sure no one cares that zabrack or whatever his name is just admitted on the previous page that he's a stalker and hunted down a player, not to destroy his ship, but to specifically make the guy feel bad.

I noticed you didn't care about that.

He's right , I am new and I can't contribute much depth of discussion to specific mechanics. But what is readily apparent is that the pve-only crowd on this thread at least are a bit dysfunctional .

Y'all act like pvp is an accident or pvpers are hacking the game to pvp. Yaknow the devs consciously added it, and you knew that before you bought the game. Same argument some of you make to others works on you

Right! What game designer in the history of video games has ever put a bunch of strangers in a room together with big guns and not expected shooting to happen?

[You can block a person on the forums FYI. Just click their name and look in the left side toolbar. Probably no on cared about the comment because the chances of him actually finding you and getting into the same instance are horribly small. The irony that a devotee of the PVE only/ all PVP is griefing camp saying he was going to track someone down to give them grief wasn't lost on me though.]

How a computer game is played, does not qualify to label a person as evil, a coward, psychopathic or though. It's a game!

We are discussing pure entertainment value here.

Some people are less entertained if they are shot at by a player. Others are less entertained if they get restricted from shooting players.

Will a karma system raise the entertainment value of ED for the average player? That is the question.

Indeed. I'm more entertained knowing that I may be attacked by a player because it presents a challenge that the PVE never could while not creating an overwhelming game environment. You simply can't balance an AI to replicate what a human brings. It will either be too perfect and therefore too strong for a person to overcome or too predictable and so too easy to out smart. I'm not saying all of the PVE only group are like this but I do think that a certain vocal subset simply don't want to face a challenge. They'd probably also complain if the PVE was an actual threat.
 
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