Elite: Harmless - Karma System aka "be the Tamagotchi" - FRESH SALT, MINED RIGHT HERE

Against what rules? You dont want them, why should I. I had every right. I wasnt hiding behind RP. I was defending traders in a CG. Just because I killed one toad over and over again doesnt make me bad. According to your bunch it makes me righteous and correct. But does that only apply to you and yours. The rest of the snowflakes probably feel the same way you do.

You dont want rules so why bother trying to call me a griefer?

What PVP? You mean arranged duels and player events. Events and duels that have no in game reason to exist? The little fights that have no impact on any aspect of the game universe?

Nothing in Open is PVP. There is player conflict in Open, but it doesnt mean that its player versus player. Versus means you have an opponent. When you dont have an opponent its not a contest. So its worthless. In Open the point is not to get better, its to mine as much salt as you can. You say otherwise then I say you are a liar. Sure you can get better at dueling, but what does that matter when you are blowing up ship well under your weight class.

Your little self created leagues and attempts at min maxing a very limited rule set doesnt make you any better than the average trader or explorer going about their business. Dont know if you are griefer, I dont care if you are. But you are not special and I dont have to treat you like you are. You whine and complain when anyone says you have to play by rules. It doesnt matter that everyone else has to.

So feel free to create another strawman argument and blow everything out of proportion. Doesnt mean a thing.

This guy talking about blowing things out of proportion..... Laughable. You need to go back and read what you actually post instead of automatically patting yourself on the back for how smart you think you are. Your hysteria on this subject up till now has been amusing.
 
This guy talking about blowing things out of proportion..... Laughable. You need to go back and read what you actually post instead of automatically patting yourself on the back for how smart you think you are. Your hysteria on this subject up till now has been amusing.

Then instead of commenting refute the point and provide examples of what you think was blown out of proportion. And here is the kicker. Provide an excuse as to why your view is more valid than any others. If you have a good point I might agree with you. The fact that everyone here trying to stop a Karma system are hiding behind doom and gloom and unprofitable opinions.

The fact that mobius exists supports my claim. How about you? Or are you going to say you intended Mobius's creation and it was all part of your master plan. Your intention was to completely split the entire community based on playstyle. Well I would like to know tomorrows lottery numbers o great sage.
 
Wait, are you saying a group of 6-12 people sent FORTY THOUSAND players running to hide in a closet?

Lol greatest gaming achievement in history of gaming

Hardly. Don't kid or delude yourself. There's just a lot of people who simply don't want to bother with the typical online gaming trash heap. I am one of them. It is a waste of my time to deal with the so-called "PVPers" in Open. So, I am not going to waste my time there. Simple as that. They are simply not worth the effort. Could I deal with them? Sure, I still do when on fuel rat rescues, but at any other time, they don't deserve my time, energy, or anything else.

I am not content in being someone else's "content." That is NOT why I play ED. I play to have some fun, and to do so as I see fit.
 

Minonian

Banned
Then instead of commenting refute the point and provide examples of what you think was blown out of proportion. And here is the kicker. Provide an excuse as to why your view is more valid than any others. If you have a good point I might agree with you. The fact that everyone here trying to stop a Karma system are hiding behind doom and gloom and unprofitable opinions.

The fact that mobius exists supports my claim. How about you? Or are you going to say you intended Mobius's creation and it was all part of your master plan. Your intention was to completely split the entire community based on playstyle. Well I would like to know tomorrows lottery numbers o great sage.

Griefing scares away people, and no one likes it. Yeah, i know! Appeal to (in)popularity, is a fallacy of reasoning. :) Not in this time! Not in matters when popularity, is a decisive factor, and in case of a gamer community, is a decisive factor, when FD financial standing depending on, what else can be? When our gaming mood depending on it, how much new friends we can make ingame and how much pleasant time we spent together instead of blown to pieces by others is a decisive factor. When disruptive players scaring away other peoples from the open, to solo and with it in the long run taking away their mood to play? It is a decisive factor.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

We don't like griefing, no one likes griefing, except the griefers. And this a reason enough to do something about it.

Until you have 300 million credits in rebuy costs and complete start overs, then you have nothing to add. Spend 200 hours in the game to have it destroyed for nothing and then start over. Your lack of knowledge makes your statements look all the more moronic.

If you thought what I did was griefing, then you havent played this game. I did exactly what Jasons bunch wanted me to do. Defend a CG. The child could not take it so he quit. Thats the game designers fault and not mine. When I decided to ruin that kiddies day I had only had to restart from 50 hours to back to 0 four times by that point. Those chumps had cost me around 120 million credits by that point. When I started the game there was no such things as missions like they are now. At launch by the time you had 40 to 50 hours in the game you might have been finishing up the eagle and maybe onto the Cobra. Another 100 hours and you were in you Vulture. You cant help but trip and fall over the same amount of money that it used to take 3 months.

So until you have enough knowledge and background on this debate please refrain from sticking you 0 cents worth in the conversation. Kiddies and forum trolls such as yourself are the problem. You have nothing to add and zero investment in the games well being.

Aye! had been in the same shoes where you are at in this matter. you are right, this is not griefing, or trolling but teaching a lesson to some twitchy, idiot who feels himself invincible and think he can do anything. Well? If you ask me, he got this coming if for no other reason just to show him he is not so godlike, this hopefully put in him some fear, but usually? These kind of <bleeps> just swearing revenge, and coming after you. So before you done with them? make sure they do not even dare to think about it! If after such smackdown he still dare to talk to you, or come after you, you was not rough enough with him.

It's about to teach them a lesson what they never forget!
It's about to make sure they will giving you a wide berth.
Because if the Game admins don't take care of this kind of maggots? Than we must, and if we forced to deal with them? This is how it looks alike.
 
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Minonian

Banned
lol WOW!!!! I've joined the right game. Y'all are so wound up!

If you planning to end up in the crosshair of a guy like him or me? Than yes you are...
And if you planning to do that? The resolution is easy just be an insufferable <bleep> and sooner or later you going to tick off the wrong person. ;)
 
If you planning to end up in the crosshair of a guy like him or me? Than yes you are...
And if you planning to do that? The resolution is easy just be an insufferable <bleep> and sooner or later you going to tick off the wrong person. ;)

Ya'll are doing this to yourselves. I just wanted to have a nice space sim.... thought I'd come on and check the forums and contribute a bit, ya'know, join the community.. and I'm met with hostility and hypocrisy not from the PvP supporters on here who are apparently supposed to be s, nope, instead all the malice seems to come from the PvE side. I want nothing more now than to put some time into the game, improve my ship, and go find ya'll.
 

Minonian

Banned
Ya'll are doing this to yourselves. I just wanted to have a nice space sim.... thought I'd come on and check the forums and contribute a bit, ya'know, join the community.. and I'm met with hostility and hypocrisy not from the PvP supporters on here who are apparently supposed to be s, nope, instead all the malice seems to come from the PvE side. I want nothing more now than to put some time into the game, improve my ship, and go find ya'll.

We did not asked, to be in game trolled by a griefer. Which is let me be clear! Is not PVP
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I want nothing more now than to put some time into the game, improve my ship, and go find ya'll.

Frontier consciously offered all players the ability to choose how many players they play among - so while putting time into the game and improving ones ship is a given, finding specific players is not.
 
What I learned from this thread is that gankers are the greatest of carebears after all.

A pure ganker is by definition a carebear. If never put your self in any danger and only attack much weaker targets, you are a bit of a softy. :)

I don't think there are to many of them in ED. At least from my impression. We do however have players that attacks indiscriminately.

Top PvP players, that like to challenge them self against the best are not carebears. They are PvE nerds. The time and effort required in PvE, to build several top level PvP ships is tremendous. You have to love PvE to be a PvP'er in ED. :p
 
A pure ganker is by definition a carebear. If never put your self in any danger and only attack much weaker targets, you are a bit of a softy. :)

I don't think there are to many of them in ED. At least from my impression. We do however have players that attacks indiscriminately.

Top PvP players, that like to challenge them self against the best are not carebears. They are PvE nerds. The time and effort required in PvE, to build several top level PvP ships is tremendous. You have to love PvE to be a PvP'er in ED. :p

I don't know about that. I spend a lot of time doing things in this game that I don't like in order to get something else that I want, like mining to unlock hull upgrades. I actually stopped playing for 3 months because I hated mining so much but it was the last engineer chain I could work on and I really wanted the upgrades.
 
I don't know about that. I spend a lot of time doing things in this game that I don't like in order to get something else that I want, like mining to unlock hull upgrades. I actually stopped playing for 3 months because I hated mining so much but it was the last engineer chain I could work on and I really wanted the upgrades.

I know. I have never mined a ton, my self.

It's one of the reasons I have never considered building a PvP ship. I can't be bothered to do things in a game, that I don't want to do.

I build some in betas, but only smaller ships. I don't have the patience to build a big one, even with fish.

I'm the type of player that runs G4 dirty drives, because the materials for G5 is to much hassle. :D
 
One of the Frontier Devs is on record as stating that Frontier are well aware that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.

.... so which minority are the forums biased towards?

Let's not get carried away with this sort of point?

eg: A minority of players get involved in CGs, yet numerous are typically generated every month, and even given headline status on the Launcher etc :)

ps: Not aiming this specifically at you... But people who talk about the size of this group and that group etc... And what FD does for them etc...
 
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Frontier consciously offered all players the ability to choose how many players they play among - so while putting time into the game and improving ones ship is a given, finding specific players is not.

I'm sure no one cares that zabrack or whatever his name is just admitted on the previous page that he's a stalker and hunted down a player, not to destroy his ship, but to specifically make the guy feel bad.

I noticed you didn't care about that.

He's right , I am new and I can't contribute much depth of discussion to specific mechanics. But what is readily apparent is that the pve-only crowd on this thread at least are a bit dysfunctional .

Y'all act like pvp is an accident or pvpers are hacking the game to pvp. Yaknow the devs consciously added it, and you knew that before you bought the game. Same argument some of you make to others works on you
 
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Y'all act like pvp is an accident or pvpers are hacking the game to pvp. Yaknow the devs consciously added it, and you knew that before you bought the game.

It is not, however, the focus of the game. It's "Elite: Dangerous", not "Unreal Tournament: Spaceship Edition".
 

Minonian

Banned
I'm sure no one cares that zabrack or whatever his name is just admitted on the previous page that he's a stalker and hunted down a player, not to destroy his ship, but to specifically make the guy feel bad.

I noticed you didn't care about that.

He's right , I am new and I can't contribute much depth of discussion to specific mechanics. But what is readily apparent is that the pve-only crowd on this thread at least are a bit dysfunctional .

Y'all act like pvp is an accident or pvpers are hacking the game to pvp. Yaknow the devs consciously added it, and you knew that before you bought the game. Same argument some of you make to others works on you

So we are hating PVP griefers. And because of it we are evil and right?

Let me see what this really means? We are evil because we don't like to be used as clay pigeons by some people. Know what? Shuddup!
 
So we are hating PVP griefers. And because of it we are evil and right?

Let me see what this really means? We are evil because we don't like to be used as clay pigeons by some people. Know what? Shuddup!

You have already been told how to not be a clay pigeon.

I personally can't wait for a C&P to be implemented so I can become a griefer. There is too little risk in this game so something with consequences to inflate the difficulty will be nice.
 
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