Honestly the whole hyperbole ladened viewpoint of some of you PVP guys is hilarious to behold. 'my god, it can't be a cutthroat galaxy with a karma and/or c&p system in place, any said system is going to kill all PVP', seriously, it is only you guys coming out with this nonsense, it's almost as if you have an agenda or something. Guess what, consequences AND a cutthroat galaxy with PVP are not mutually exclusive things, if, (yes it's a big if), Frontier get this right these things can coexist.