Hahaha! How dare FDev add features to Elite that they've planned for all along, and players keep asking for
offline single-player mode says hi.
Elite is not Doomed
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offline single-player mode says hi.
PFS? Pirst Ferson Shooter?
yes...probably that too!
The way I see it, this DLC should improve on Horizons in terms of consistency because it's one unified offering. (Worth noting the dev run seems to be as long as the launch dev run). Which should aid popularity, alongside the principle that 'Legs' content should attract a new crowd who haven't previously been attracted by the ship aspect alone etc.
Time will tell, and I wouldn't expect a total sea change. But think it ain't doomsday yet
It actually feels a bit strange our previous dark periods were filled with rage but i think the 2020 announcement, plus the fact weve had a convincing leak leaving us mostly certain of whats coming, means that im getting more of a sense of disinterest than rage.
Previously it has been quiet from fdev and games doomed posts have taken over the forum now fdev have almost entirely given up on talking to the elite community but the posts are more, well, dull. No games doomed posts, no open letters just fading interest. Fdev seem comfortable theyll make enough this year on plan zoo and will ramp up with us next year when they want our money again. And most of us will forget the summer of discontent (well no content) and demand they take our credit cards.
Previously it has been quiet from fdev and games doomed posts have taken over the forum now fdev have almost entirely given up on talking to the elite community but the posts are more, well, dull. No games doomed posts, no open letters just fading interest. Fdev seem comfortable theyll make enough this year on plan zoo and will ramp up with us next year when they want our money again. And most of us will forget the summer of discontent (well no content) and demand they take our credit cards.
I'm a white knight, a fan boy, an '84'r. My name here as the same as in game, I play open, got some Elite behind me, logged 1000's of hours.
But...I haven't played in months. It's not legs, I couldn't care less about FPS stuff, I fly, that's what I do, don't need to walk around. Build space stations, bases etc? Done it in X4, its ok but not long term.
I took part in the Salome experience. I even saw one of the "home runs" in Teorge, armed up in an FdL ready to defend the princess. It was the best days play in ED, ever.
So why don't I play anymore?
Simple. I'm bored. I like exploring, then some doughnut invents FSS or whatever, its truly awful, let me honk, seek and surface scan. I couldn't care less about some "other UI" with a myriad of bindings that I just cannot be bothered with, it's even worse than the camera.....
I want to PvP, they keep running away or try to mass gank. I'm not scared, I even battle tested a Cutter to destruction to test it out. I don't fear "dying".
So to the core issue. Its this "...."
Yes, the fact that we keep having to invent excuses for the bugs in the game, the lack of in-game support, the failure to follow through with Galnet, the utter disregard for storylines (not hand holding) and the rest of the supposed involvement that goes nowhere, ever.
PvP, meh
Explo beyond meh
Mining meh, its not fun
Tradering, meh
PP, meh, like really meh, it should be open only.
Factions, lifeless.
There is little fun, no immersion and no sense of being a part of something bigger, my meagre existence has no impact, even in a group, PP or faction. Its lifeless.
But...I haven't played in months. It's not legs, I couldn't care less about FPS stuff, I fly, that's what I do, don't need to walk around. Build space stations, bases etc? Done it in X4, its ok but not long term.
I took part in the Salome experience. I even saw one of the "home runs" in Teorge, armed up in an FdL ready to defend the princess. It was the best days play in ED, ever.
So why don't I play anymore?
Simple. I'm bored. I like exploring, then some doughnut invents FSS or whatever, its truly awful, let me honk, seek and surface scan. I couldn't care less about some "other UI" with a myriad of bindings that I just cannot be bothered with, it's even worse than the camera.....
I want to PvP, they keep running away or try to mass gank. I'm not scared, I even battle tested a Cutter to destruction to test it out. I don't fear "dying".
So to the core issue. Its this "...."
Yes, the fact that we keep having to invent excuses for the bugs in the game, the lack of in-game support, the failure to follow through with Galnet, the utter disregard for storylines (not hand holding) and the rest of the supposed involvement that goes nowhere, ever.
PvP, meh
Explo beyond meh
Mining meh, its not fun
Tradering, meh
PP, meh, like really meh, it should be open only.
Factions, lifeless.
There is little fun, no immersion and no sense of being a part of something bigger, my meagre existence has no impact, even in a group, PP or faction. Its lifeless.
and no, you can't haz my stuff.
The only path left is the dark side. maybe one day.
The only path left is the dark side. maybe one day.
Tell that to all the people that have quit the game in disgust.
ED is doing good. The game have sold way more copies than expected + generate a lot of cash from ship kits & paint job.
Next era will bring a lot of new players in 2020 (even more if it's really space legs that drop).
I'm not worried a single second for the game future and I'm pretty confident that we'll get something good since a huge part of the team are working on this for a while now.
Lack of news & content in 2019 will definitely bring salt & frustration from old players but it won't affect the game on the "big picture" so we'll have to wait atleast end of 2019 before knowing something about this next era.
Next era will bring a lot of new players in 2020 (even more if it's really space legs that drop).
I'm not worried a single second for the game future and I'm pretty confident that we'll get something good since a huge part of the team are working on this for a while now.
Lack of news & content in 2019 will definitely bring salt & frustration from old players but it won't affect the game on the "big picture" so we'll have to wait atleast end of 2019 before knowing something about this next era.
I think frontier are either tangibly regretting, or completely fobbing off the results of putting elite through a kickstarter campaign.
From following most of frontiers other games, its really clear that frontier are pretty consistent in how they nurture their communities, how much info they give on upcoming content, and the level of commitment they put into games to check whatever internal definition they have of "games as a service". Frontier treat all their children equally.
The difference is, the golden boy elite from the kickstarter soup of presales, bold promises, hype and passion has ended up with both a stronger and a more needier community, and papa frontier doesn't care anymore and thinks its about time elite grew up and got treated like the rest of the kids, ie, well maintained single player games.
I don't think frontier want us, more than just words and offences of the developers and community teams.. but fundamentally in terms of how their run their games development business. Things would dramatically different (maybe more to industry norms) if this were not the case. There are mmos running on skeleton teams that are more active than elite is... you just can't deny the reality of how frontier operate.
Also think about what a less rigid developer could do with elites demographic, the majority older, locked in simulator passionate. I hate to bring up the blemish of stupidity, but look at what the other guy did with space game fans. Frontier just dont care (and one way love sucks).
From following most of frontiers other games, its really clear that frontier are pretty consistent in how they nurture their communities, how much info they give on upcoming content, and the level of commitment they put into games to check whatever internal definition they have of "games as a service". Frontier treat all their children equally.
The difference is, the golden boy elite from the kickstarter soup of presales, bold promises, hype and passion has ended up with both a stronger and a more needier community, and papa frontier doesn't care anymore and thinks its about time elite grew up and got treated like the rest of the kids, ie, well maintained single player games.
I don't think frontier want us, more than just words and offences of the developers and community teams.. but fundamentally in terms of how their run their games development business. Things would dramatically different (maybe more to industry norms) if this were not the case. There are mmos running on skeleton teams that are more active than elite is... you just can't deny the reality of how frontier operate.
Also think about what a less rigid developer could do with elites demographic, the majority older, locked in simulator passionate. I hate to bring up the blemish of stupidity, but look at what the other guy did with space game fans. Frontier just dont care (and one way love sucks).
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You forgot to add "and doesn't have to like it". Its appropriate because your example is a metaphor but what we're interested in is a video game that operates in an industry with benchmark standards on these issues.
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To me it seems more that something had to give, and it was the GAAS side that took the hit. Seasons was an attempt to have their cake & eat it: Core maintenance, expansion dev, rolling content etc. They've seemingly decided if they're going to go for the ambitious expansions they need to divert energies away from the other aspects.
I'm cool with it, on balance. (But I don't play ED as an MMO). I'd be a lot grumpier if they'd prioritised one of the other aspects and dumped (or majorly scaled down). the expansion intentions.
I still think ED is the golden child in terms of FDev resources though, as this old evidence suggests. And that's something
On your last point: What are you suggesting they do with this player base? (Ramp up microtransactions to fund greater resourcing? Introduce susbscriptions for glossy video content? Return to quarterly updates which try and expand and maintain the core simultaneously?)
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Interesting, as a long time forum member I'd say there is currently a lack of doom threads and scenarios. I actually thought about creating a thread asking what happened to all the doom.
The end is not nigh?
There have always been two kinds of doom scenarios:
As long as both scenarios can coexist they are both invalid.
- the game is doomed because they never bother to fix all the bugs
- the game is doomed because new content takes too long
As long as both scenarios can coexist they are both invalid.
To me it seems more that something had to give, and it was the GAAS side that took the hit. Seasons was an attempt to have their cake & eat it: Core maintenance, expansion dev, rolling content etc. They've seemingly decided if they're going to go for the ambitious expansions they need to divert energies away from the other aspects.
I'm cool with it, on balance. (But I don't play ED as an MMO). I'd be a lot grumpier if they'd prioritised one of the other aspects and dumped (or majorly scaled down). the expansion intentions.
I still think ED is the golden child in terms of FDev resources though, as this old evidence suggests. And that's something
On your last point: What are you suggesting they do with this player base? (Ramp up microtransactions to fund greater resourcing? Introduce susbscriptions for glossy video content? Return to quarterly updates which try and expand and maintain the core simultaneously?)
What do you mean by had to give? Because of their expansion / diversification? That's totally fine and their decision of course.
Thanks for calling me on that. Honestly i can live with whatever literal game updates they make at their schedule. Their public relations / communications though are operating in a different dimension to players, yet are proposing to talk to players, and every little instance where communication matters and fails adds up to be an issue over time. Yes i know dropping off is the only option available. The other thing is wasted potential of passion.. having people (myself included) deflated is a little sad. I wouldn't say micro transactions, but providing value up to the potential is a win / win situation for the store and the hobbyist isn't it?
Scratch all that. What i meant to say its it seems so strange that other games would kill to have a community like this but frontier are probably crossing their fingers hoping we go away. Also the issues are from frontiers side, its them not us. Do you remember dav stotts livestreams from 2016 / 2017? He was unique amonst frontier staff in that, while he like of the rest of them dismissed the community with bravdo, he always took the time to explain to fine detail.. WHY. His livestreams were always the most well received by a long shot. And didn't make you feel like someone smugly brushed you off even after getting told no.
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As long as there are doom threads the game is alive. It can't be dying if it's already dead.
