Then those are they without ideas.
Elite: Universe - We need a new Elite
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Then those are they without ideas.
I think the op wants ED to be accurate to reality,which would be fascinating to see but on the whole not much of a game.
The time dilation stuff just wouldn't be practical,i'd take some cargo a short trip to another system and centuries could have passed.
I'd take a trip to Sag A* and by the time i get back humanity has evolved into amorphous energy blobs who could care less about my exploration data!
The time dilation stuff just wouldn't be practical,i'd take some cargo a short trip to another system and centuries could have passed.
I'd take a trip to Sag A* and by the time i get back humanity has evolved into amorphous energy blobs who could care less about my exploration data!
Go for Universe sandbox 1/2 maybe ? Yeah, Elite claims to try and follow some of the rules we know through science, but people at FDev also know that the game needs to be playable.
Even though some, like you, would really like more advanced science into the game, more people just enjoy flying aournd and sometime see or experience something that is scientificaly accurate.
I don't think we need an other Elite, what you want is just another type of game which already exists
And if I remember correctly, ED will eventually get more things to see, new bodies, accretion disks, comets, ...
Even though some, like you, would really like more advanced science into the game, more people just enjoy flying aournd and sometime see or experience something that is scientificaly accurate.
I don't think we need an other Elite, what you want is just another type of game which already exists
And if I remember correctly, ED will eventually get more things to see, new bodies, accretion disks, comets, ...
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From what I read, you want pretty much a game just like elite with a survival aspect right, correct me if I got that wrong, I did go back and read the whole post but a game like elite is a grind, you have to grind to get to a certain point, want a doomaconda? grind want to visit sag a*? Grind, want anything? grind how bad the grind is, is up to you
Having to worry about food water pooping, having to use telescopes to spot planets, ship maintenance doesn't help it makes it seems like grinding simulator with only fun parts every few moments
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Just one thing: I recall that the kickstarter for ED didn't actually pay for the development of the game. Rather, it gauged community interest in the idea of ED becoming a thing.
Also, ED isn't a strict simulator. It was never meant to be. It isn't a space sim. It is science fiction. And it is set in 3303. Look how much tech has advances in the last 1200 years to give you an idea. What were we using in 800 AD or so? Compare that to now. Guess what? For ED, 2017 is about the same as 800. The game gets a ton of science things right, but a lot of mechanics need the fiction part. Your comment on the need for human crew? Most ship systems are automated. Why pay a human for something a computer can do? Exploration is more than just honk the system. Using the DDS is needed to really make money that way, and it only works on one object at a time. And using the DDS is the ONLY way to find a terraformable world, and those are where the big bucks are. Your light speed thing? Doesn't really apply due to how FSDs work. The ship itself isn't moving faster than light, rather space itself is what is moving. Sounds like you are talking about time distortion, but that only applies when an object is actually travelling near light speed. In ED, the object (ship) is not moving at light speed, but much much slower. You aren't changing your speed, but rather you are changing what a meter is. If that makes sense
Ship design and modules? I don't know where you are going with that. Sounds like what ED already has. Same for wear and tear. Or do you never click on that advanced maintenance button?
Also, ED isn't a strict simulator. It was never meant to be. It isn't a space sim. It is science fiction. And it is set in 3303. Look how much tech has advances in the last 1200 years to give you an idea. What were we using in 800 AD or so? Compare that to now. Guess what? For ED, 2017 is about the same as 800. The game gets a ton of science things right, but a lot of mechanics need the fiction part. Your comment on the need for human crew? Most ship systems are automated. Why pay a human for something a computer can do? Exploration is more than just honk the system. Using the DDS is needed to really make money that way, and it only works on one object at a time. And using the DDS is the ONLY way to find a terraformable world, and those are where the big bucks are. Your light speed thing? Doesn't really apply due to how FSDs work. The ship itself isn't moving faster than light, rather space itself is what is moving. Sounds like you are talking about time distortion, but that only applies when an object is actually travelling near light speed. In ED, the object (ship) is not moving at light speed, but much much slower. You aren't changing your speed, but rather you are changing what a meter is. If that makes sense
Ship design and modules? I don't know where you are going with that. Sounds like what ED already has. Same for wear and tear. Or do you never click on that advanced maintenance button?
*Scientifically accurate simulation*
I like physics.
But i also like pew pew.
I like it because of its physics.
ED has naff physics, and thus poo poo pew pew.
So i play FFED3D instead. It has actual, basic, physics, and thus excellent pew pew.
The OP makes some cool suggestions. I'd particularly like to see the time compression effects in supercruise, tho i guess this would be tricky to implement in a MP game (same reason we have FSD instead of "stardreamer" time acceleration). Do-able tho.
ED has all its 'realism' all in the wrong place. Classic Elite was an inter-galactic odyssey, not encumbered with an accurate Milky Way. The magic of discovery of procedurally-generated content is every bit as rich an experience as visiting more familiar locations, if not moreso, since real-life modeling is both intrinsically limited by available knowledge, as well as limiting in the dedicated resources required, effort that could be better spent refining the PG system.
For myself, i'd particularly like to see the PG system extended into the time domain - coupled with the kinds of clock drift we'd accrue from relativistic effects, it would be a natural progression of the game to depict how planets and systems evolve over longer time scales, ranging from decades to eons..
But i also like pew pew.
I like it because of its physics.
ED has naff physics, and thus poo poo pew pew.
So i play FFED3D instead. It has actual, basic, physics, and thus excellent pew pew.
The OP makes some cool suggestions. I'd particularly like to see the time compression effects in supercruise, tho i guess this would be tricky to implement in a MP game (same reason we have FSD instead of "stardreamer" time acceleration). Do-able tho.
ED has all its 'realism' all in the wrong place. Classic Elite was an inter-galactic odyssey, not encumbered with an accurate Milky Way. The magic of discovery of procedurally-generated content is every bit as rich an experience as visiting more familiar locations, if not moreso, since real-life modeling is both intrinsically limited by available knowledge, as well as limiting in the dedicated resources required, effort that could be better spent refining the PG system.
For myself, i'd particularly like to see the PG system extended into the time domain - coupled with the kinds of clock drift we'd accrue from relativistic effects, it would be a natural progression of the game to depict how planets and systems evolve over longer time scales, ranging from decades to eons..
I already have enough grind. Grind coffee, spices, salt, and sometimes I grind in games. I prefer games to be more enjoyable than painful. This "idea" sounds as much fun as a walking simulator. Also, if you are looking for scientific realism, then say goodbye to even the vaguest notions of FSD drives, energy weapons like we see in ED, shields, and pretty much everything that makes ED fun. Hope you like taking 3 real-life days to travel to the moon. Or up to 2 real years just to reach Mars.
this is why there are other space games! Frontier does not have to do it all. For the most part, they're doing a good job of what they're doing. Leave them to it!
@OP, I'm not sure many people have the stomach for another kickstarter, especially FD.
I wouldn't mind a little bit more realism in ED (esp. in SC flight), but I'm happy as things are. I had a quick look at one of the vids for Rogue System. For the majority of the 20min vid, there was a lot of staring at the ships' console, flicking switches before you even started. God forbid ED going in a similar direction!
I wouldn't mind a little bit more realism in ED (esp. in SC flight), but I'm happy as things are. I had a quick look at one of the vids for Rogue System. For the majority of the 20min vid, there was a lot of staring at the ships' console, flicking switches before you even started. God forbid ED going in a similar direction!
What constitutes a pew pew person?
CMDR's logs from Elite: Realistic
"This is Ground Control to Major Dumb. Please identify what you can see of the solar system from out there".
"Major Dumb to Ground Control. I can see gray walls, and some control panels. We did away with glass screens hundreds of years ago"
"Ground Control to Major Dumb: Oh yeah, someone fetch me some coffee or stimulant drugs or whatever you can find. Major Dumb, want to go check out another system?"
"Major Dumb to Ground Control: You wanna switch names today Son? I can't get there. Our only hope were Frame Shift Drives, which never worked, as it turns out would just fry the vessel flying in its bubble, and by the time I'd be back from the system you'd be dead"
"Ground Control to Major Dumb: Ah yeah...well this is fun. Webcam Charades?"
Wow, that colour hurts my eyes...
White theme?