Engineers Engineering Database And Calculator [Engineers Update]
- Thread starter Qohen Leth
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I guess you'll yell at me again, but I'm trying to point mistakes ... Here is the list of all differences that couldnt be explained with rounding errors, for further checking.
| Module Type | Upgrade | Level | Modifier | Gain / Loss | min | max |
| Booster (Shield) | Heavy Duty Shield Booster | 2 | Shield Boost | G | 37 | 87 |
| Booster (Shield) | Heavy Duty Shield Booster | 2 | Shield Boost | G | 46 | 112 |
| Booster (Shield) | Heavy Duty Shield Booster | 3 | Shield Boost | G | 72 | 130 |
| Booster (Shield) | Heavy Duty Shield Booster | 3 | Shield Boost | G | 93 | 168 |
| Burst Laser | Overcharged Weapon | 1 | Rate Of Fire | G | -6 | 4 |
| Burst Laser | Overcharged Weapon | 1 | Rate Of Fire | L | -6 | 0 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 34 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 34 | 34 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Damage Per Second | G | 28 | 45 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Damage Per Second | G | 37 | 53 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Rate Of Fire | G | 28 | 45 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 1 | Rate Of Fire | G | 37 | 53 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 34 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 34 | 34 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Damage Per Second | G | 32 | 48 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Damage Per Second | G | 41 | 56 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Rate Of Fire | G | 32 | 48 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 2 | Rate Of Fire | G | 41 | 56 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 3 | Damage Per Second | G | 45 | 57 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 3 | Damage Per Second | G | 37 | 50 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 3 | Rate Of Fire | G | 45 | 57 |
| Frag Cannon | Double Shot | 3 | Rate Of Fire | G | 37 | 50 |
| Frag Cannon | Efficient Weapon | 3 | Power Draw | G | -6 | -20 |
| Frag Cannon | Efficient Weapon | 3 | Power Draw | G | -6 | -10 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 34 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 66 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 3 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 66 |
| Mine Launcher | High Capacity Magazine | 3 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Multi-Cannon | Efficient Weapon | 1 | Thermal Load | G | -11 | -50 |
| Multi-Cannon | Efficient Weapon | 1 | Thermal Load | G | -11 | 50 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 50 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 1 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 2 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 17 | 66 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 3 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 3 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 17 | 66 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 4 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | High Capacity Magazine | 4 | Ammo Clip Size | G | 34 | 83 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 2 | Distributor Draw | G | 0 | -20 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 2 | Distributor Draw | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 3 | Distributor Draw | G | -10 | -30 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 3 | Distributor Draw | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 4 | Distributor Draw | G | -20 | -40 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Rapid Fire Modification | 4 | Distributor Draw | G | 0 | 0 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Sturdy Mount | 4 | Mass | L | 200 | 150 |
| Seeker Missile Rack | Sturdy Mount | 4 | Mass | L | 200 | 100 |
Gnaa, I finally cleaned most of what I could. (errors are tagged as it)
I made the full offline Excel spreadsheet :
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=14572481696087214489 (edit : new version)
You can also use it to lookup for cleaned data. Or use the whole data model, as you want.
Oh, and I'm not customer, I dont have have Horizon for now. I did it for fun, and for you.
I made the full offline Excel spreadsheet :
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=14572481696087214489 (edit : new version)
You can also use it to lookup for cleaned data. Or use the whole data model, as you want.
Oh, and I'm not customer, I dont have have Horizon for now. I did it for fun, and for you.
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Looking at the errors, it is clear that someone brought back an earlier version of the file. I'm on to fixing it all again, since all those errors were fixed several days ago, including Light Weight/Lightweight, which are sometimes spelled differently in-game.
EDIT: So, after a couple checks. Booster Shield's values are indeed different. I checked the screenshots, they are. Values aren't always the same between different engineers.
Burst Laser was an error, fixed.
The Frag Cannon is different too. Inara display's Tod's values, which aren't the same as Nemo's, apparently, as you can see here : https://youtu.be/HGX9tD0D5_c?t=52s; which are yet other values than those we have received.
I'm gonna go through all your list, but as you can see, values are not fixed, and there probably is a hidden paramater (rep?) tempering with the stats. I suspected sthg like this would happen to make our work more difficult... I'll fix what's obviously a mistake, but if i find inconsistencies, I'll keep the value I have on the screenshots I've been sent.
EDIT2:
Frag Cannon - Efficient Weapon: fixed.
Mine Launcher: not an error on our side.
Multi-Cannon: dat awkward typo
fixed.Seeker Missile - High Capacity: I don't see where you got the 0/0 values, and only Liz goes up to Grade 4? The 17%-66% appearing twice appears so in the game.
Seeker Missile - Distributor Draw: fixed.
Seeker Missile - Sturdy Mount: same, I don't see where you found the 200-100 value.
EDIT3:
There was 1 error for Light Wieght/Lightweight, due to a formula that hadn't been replicated. Fixed.
Otherwise, both spellings are in the game; 'Lightweight' being used for Hull and Armour, 'Light Weight' for weapons.
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Nice ! Thanks for the awesome work
I'll keep hoover all of your raw data to update my own spreadsheet, every week or so. So I'll continue to make such checks.
If Engineers keep provide different results for the same upgrade, without any good reason, while one is significantly lower, it will result more or less into a removal of the ability of this engineer to upgrade this component, if he's so bad at it.
I hope it's only a matter of reputation, or something like.
Ah, last thing : I found many different values for G/L parameter ... But I dont even know what is it for ... If the problem is to know if the modifier is a good, or a bad one, simply check if min is higher of max, so the input can be saved.
I'll keep hoover all of your raw data to update my own spreadsheet, every week or so. So I'll continue to make such checks.
If Engineers keep provide different results for the same upgrade, without any good reason, while one is significantly lower, it will result more or less into a removal of the ability of this engineer to upgrade this component, if he's so bad at it.
I hope it's only a matter of reputation, or something like.
Ah, last thing : I found many different values for G/L parameter ... But I dont even know what is it for ... If the problem is to know if the modifier is a good, or a bad one, simply check if min is higher of max, so the input can be saved.
Contacts show up at trophy camp once you relog. But handing in bounty vouchers doesn't seem to do anything. I handed in 2 mil worth and got nothing.
Just level up using lightweight mount recipes, they're by far the easiest to get mterials for.
Looks like you'll be adding three new columns to the components list. System government, state and economy. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...gineers_psa_the_rng_isnt_as_random_as_people/
edit: new PDF link dropbox & mega updated 12/06/2016
edit: new PDF link dropbox & mega updated 12/06/2016
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reddit link doesn't work.
These columns already are on the sheet
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I've put a fair bit of time into the engineers and one of the most frustrating things I've found is not being able to find 1 material or commodity I need.
Originally the frustration was ridiculous as I would end up doing a task like 'blowing up ships' to try to find all the mats I needed. Then people started documenting where you could find the mats and I used lists like thishttp://inara.cz/galaxy-componentsand did the things it says to do... but every now and then I'd have painful hours and hours of getting 0 results - solely blaming 'RNG' for not dropping it despite doing the correct activity.
Whenever I'd get really frustrated, I'd go search on the frontier forums for people who have had the same problem / been searching for the same item. I always saw the same pattern - there would be a handful of people complaining they never see it and a handful saying they've seen it lots - what's more the people who had seen lots did the same activity I was doing (whether blowing up ships in anarchy or refreshing mission boards).
Eventually - I noticed a few people giving more details - e.g. I found it in this system and having looked at the state of government / economy etc in that system and finding a similar near me - I suddenly started finding what I wanted.
It's the same as searching planets for a mat which do not spawn it - things like this http://ayashi.net/elite/edh-planetmats.htmlshow that there is clearly 'rules' in place which dictate which planets spawn which mats.
I feel this carries through to everything, so the missions for certain items will only spawn often in certain economies / types of system (it's more complicated than just going to high tech).
Similar to this blowing up hauler ships, searching wrecks etc in certain systems are more or less likely to drop certain items and I feel even when blowing up things like military ships the 'grade' of the ship will effect the drop e.g Elite Anaconda in high tech may drop differently than a Master Anaconda in an agriculture system.
The point is, I think the RNG is a lot less to blame than we think and it's more likely we just don't have the knowledge yet to know exactly what constrains each material dropping. I think it would be helpful if the people maintaining spreadsheets to do with mats started recording additional info such as system state / economy / etc so patterns can be found.
Of course this also explains why the people who suggest not grinding anything out (and just flying around playing) may not be feeling the grind as much as they are varying things enough to be getting a more spread drop of items.
Anyway, just something I have noticed which has changed the way that I'll approach the grind (if I ever find myself getting 0 results for hours, I'm obviously doing something wrong somewhere).
[EDIT] As an example... I was looking for Chemical Manipulators... I read that it said blow up haulage ships, so I went to a nav beacon in anarchy space (for reference it was Anarchy, state of Boom and economy Extraction) ... I blew up so many different hauler style ships, Type 6s, Type 7s, Type 9s, etc ... probably at least 20-30 and I didn't get a single chemical manipulator drop... I then searched the frontier forums and found someone say about a system he found it in called Bunda. I looked up Bunda and it had Anarchy, Boom, Economy = Agriculture / Industrial... I found a system just like that near where I was, went there and the first type 7 I blew up dropped chemical manipulators! ... I've since collected a load more. I guess that 'material' has some lore link to industry / agriculture - so you won't ever find it in extraction based economies because no one would have it on their ship...
Would some Inara-ite please let them know that Todd can only go as high as lvl 2 for cannons. It's correctly shown on the 'blueprints' list, but when you click on the mod, it shows everything as if you can mod a cannon upto lvl 5, which you can't.
EDIT: It's not how it works, it shows you stats for the whole mod, and shows the engineer(s) that make it happen only on the relevant grades.
Don't we all... I'd get moar game time if it was available in-game!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's all total helpless RNG!!!! Those people who post youtube vids said so - apparently knowledge and skill are useless and it all should be changed
Countless thanks to those contributing to helping each other and forming a community
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's all total helpless RNG!!!! Those people who post youtube vids said so - apparently knowledge and skill are useless and it all should be changed
Countless thanks to those contributing to helping each other and forming a community
I want to grind but this is more work than I initially accepted ; _ ;
Viajero
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All the sheets are locked so not sure where to add the following:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...mware/page10?p=4083655&viewfull=1#post4083655
Specialized Legacy Firmware can be found with very high probabilty in Satellite USS, which are typically found in orbit around civilized earthlike planets.
All the sheets are locked so not sure where to add the following:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...mware/page10?p=4083655&viewfull=1#post4083655
Specialized Legacy Firmware can be found with very high probabilty in Satellite USS, which are typically found in orbit around civilized earthlike planets.
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They shouldn't be... Thanks, I'll add the info!
I can confirm the sat thing in case any one is skeptical. I scoped a wide variety of planets and if they show up anywhere other than earth like (works for Earth which is about as earth like as it gets) I didn't see one. My method was to just head full throttle and pull up, you'll eventually find a pitch rate that matches your velocity. USSes pop up fairly regularly with one, every few minutes or so.
Viajero
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Also, given the increasing number of long and detailed reports and guides, you guys may want to add a column in the materials table for relevant links and references. Like this one for Pollonium and a couple others mentioned here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/261858-3-days-26-polonium-and-19-yttrium-later
Also, given the increasing number of long and detailed reports and guides, you guys may want to add a column in the materials table for relevant links and references. Like this one for Pollonium and a couple others mentioned here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/261858-3-days-26-polonium-and-19-yttrium-later
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