Exhibit VS. Habitat: let's vote

yoav_r

yoav_r
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Green anaconda (Exhibit vs. Habitat) (big snakes would be way to much work for being only realisticly containable in exhibits)
  4. Reticulated python (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  5. King Cobra (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  6. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  7. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  8. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat) (turtles depend on how much the aquarium parts will be. For example in an planet aquarium definetly habitat, but i would be fine with them being exhibits now)
  9. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  10. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  11. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  12. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  13. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  14. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  15. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  16. Red squirrel (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  17. European hedgehog (Exhibit vs. Habitat)

    I dont want any mammal that is bigger then the meerkat (our for now smallest animal) to be in an box, because most of them would not be seen in such rl. They are not typical vivarium animals, so they shouldnt be in game)
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The concept of mammal exhibits in this thread is more like "pre made exhibits" to allow for the complicated climbing of tamarins, for example, and not literal mammal terrarium.
 

paul78

paul78
I heard a few people mention mini exhibits from zoo tycoon but the problem with them is crafty critters like a frilled dragon or snake could easily escape. Not very realistic setups for reptiles.
 

jtwhite5

jtwhite5
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Green anaconda (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  4. Reticulated python (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  5. King Cobra (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  6. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  7. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  8. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  9. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  10. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat) This ones tricky
  11. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  12. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  13. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  14. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  15. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  16. Red squirrel (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  17. European hedgehog (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
 
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NZFanatic

NZFanatic
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
I've seen these guys in "exhibits" before in real life, more than one that was smaller than the in-game box. They don't move around much. All we'd lose from making them an exhibit animal is the potential to mix them with the alligator, but IMO that's not enough to include a habitat animal that, for all it sits around and does very little, will basically be a piece of scenery.
  1. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Amphibians, especially critically endangered amphibians, need careful climate control. Again, I don't understand the belief that the in-game exhibits are small; they're actually gigantic. Sixteen square meters is huge.
  1. Green anaconda (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Reticulated python (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. King Cobra (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Snakes go in exhibits. Only in specific circumstances are they kept in open-air enclosures. Like all ectotherms, they require regulated temperature and humidity, so outside of their natural environment it's simply better animal welfare to keep them in terraria. Not to mention that snakes are notoriously good at escaping, and can be incredibly invasive.
  1. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Both are large enough to be habitat animals, and would behave similarly to the two giant tortoises we already have.
  1. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
No reason to think these would be habitat animals.
  1. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Similar to monitor lizards, so habitat.
  1. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Smaller than the iguana, so exhibit.
  1. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  4. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
All habitat, because Frontier hasn't given us any reason to think they'll deviate from ectotherms for exhibits. In any case none of these are suitable exhibit animals.

I cut out the last two because frankly I don't know why they'd be added to the game anyway.
 

Aramar

Aramar
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
1. red squirrels are habitat animals

2. what did the poor slow lori deserve to be put in horny jail?
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Haha, nothing! It's just that I think I've always seen all the tiny monkeys in small exhibits, like small aviaries, normally inside buildings. I can't imagine them in an enclosure like the ones for chimpanzees, for example.

I put the squirrels as a habitat animal so that they can roam around the zoo like the peafowls. I've never seen a squirrel in a zoo, so I don't know how they are usually displayed.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
Aramar said:
Haha, nothing! It's just that I think I've always seen all the tiny monkeys in small exhibits, like small aviaries, normally inside buildings. I can't imagine them in an enclosure like the ones for chimpanzees, for example.

I put the squirrels as a habitat animal so that they can roam around the zoo like the peafowls. I've never seen a squirrel in a zoo, so I don't know how they are usually displayed.
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Basicly in aviaries or bigger netted enclosures. These guys are compareable to both monkeys and birds in that regard
 

Dodoraptor

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  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  2. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Green anaconda (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  4. Reticulated python (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  5. King Cobra (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  6. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  7. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  8. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  9. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  10. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat).
  11. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Uncertain
  12. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  13. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  14. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  15. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  16. Red squirrel (Exhibit vs. Habitat). Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  17. European hedgehog (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
*Should require larger exhibits (8x8x4 meters)

Another note is that some exhibits should be able to be customizable between being open and closed and the type of barriers (for example,a chainlink wall or a normal fence instead of a glass wall)
 
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yoav_r

yoav_r
Dodoraptor said:
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  2. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Green anaconda (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  4. Reticulated python (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  5. King Cobra (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  6. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  7. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  8. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  9. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  10. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat).
  11. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Uncertain
  12. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit* vs. Habitat)
  13. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  14. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  15. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  16. Red squirrel (Exhibit vs. Habitat). Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
  17. European hedgehog (Exhibit vs. Habitat) Too small for habitats, too active for exhibits
*Should require larger exhibits (8x8x4 meters)

Another note is that some exhibits should be able to be customizable between being open and closed and the type of barriers (for example,a chainlink wall or a normal fence instead of a glass wall)
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Completely agree regarding customization. I got to see tamarins on open islands, mesh fences, and glass fences. Would be amazing to recreate this ingame.
 

DragonNTiger

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Habitat for everything... it's not just how much they move--which is silly to complain about, considering how many animals are more active in game than in reality--but also the exhibits themselves; it's a box! You put it down, you add an animal, the end... the exhibits themselves are as shallow and static and boring as the animals within them.
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
Dodoraptor said:
*Should require larger exhibits (8x8x4 meters)
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Seriously? 64 square meters? If you were standing on on side you’d be struggling to see an animal at the other side of the exhibit, especially one in water (snapping turtle) - you’d be looking through 8m of water. I’ve seen snapping turtles, for instance, in tanks much smaller than the current 4x4 exhibits, never seen one in an exhibit that size, and never seen one in anything even close to 8x8 - I’ve seen adult saltwater crocodiles in less space than that. As NZFanatic says above, 4x4 is a very large enclosure - bigger than an average room in a house, for example.
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
The radiated tortoise absolutely would have to be a habitat animal. Tortoises in general need a lot more walking room than lizards or snakes, and a radiated tortoise would not fare well in a 4x4 tank. Not only that, but a lot of its potential as a habitat animal comes from the ability to make mixed exhibits with lemurs (see the Bronx Zoo's Madagascar house)
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
Antimony96 said:
The radiated tortoise absolutely would have to be a habitat animal. Tortoises in general need a lot more walking room than lizards or snakes, and a radiated tortoise would not fare well in a 4x4 tank. Not only that, but a lot of its potential as a habitat animal comes from the ability to make mixed exhibits with lemurs (see the Bronx Zoo's Madagascar house)
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EAZA doesn’t have care guides for the radiated tortoise, but for the ploughshare tortoise, they say:

“Due to their size and seasonably active nature,
Angonokas need comparatively large enclosures and >10m2 are required for single adult animals.”

HERE

pretty sure 16m2 would be ok for a radiated tortoise.
 

random goat

random goat
I made my votes based on the current exhibit terrariums. If more sizes, shapes or customisation would be implemented some of my votes would change accordingly.
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Green anaconda (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  4. Reticulated python (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  5. King Cobra (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  6. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  7. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  8. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  9. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  10. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  11. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  12. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  13. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  14. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  15. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  16. Red squirrel (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  17. European hedgehog (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
ElectricMonk said:
EAZA doesn’t have care guides for the radiated tortoise, but for the ploughshare tortoise, they say:

“Due to their size and seasonably active nature,
Angonokas need comparatively large enclosures and >10m2 are required for single adult animals.”

HERE

pretty sure 16m2 would be ok for a radiated tortoise.
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I think that's just one piece of the puzzle, though. The species seem to do well in groups, at least to an extent, but 16m2 surely wouldn't support more than 2 tortoises max. It's also worth noting that the exhibits in game don't actually contain 16m2 of traversable area considering the rocks, foliage, and cliffs. We'd need a new, almost totally barren exhibit to support them. There's also the other fact mentioned right there in the blurb, they're (seasonally) active creatures. Exhibit species are generally supposed to be so perpetually immobile that you don't notice that they don't actually move while you're looking at them. I don't think tortoises really pass that criteria.

I just really want a couple more habitat turtles tbh.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
NZFanatic said:
  1. Alligator snapping turle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
I've seen these guys in "exhibits" before in real life, more than one that was smaller than the in-game box. They don't move around much. All we'd lose from making them an exhibit animal is the potential to mix them with the alligator, but IMO that's not enough to include a habitat animal that, for all it sits around and does very little, will basically be a piece of scenery.
  1. Chinese giant salamander (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Amphibians, especially critically endangered amphibians, need careful climate control. Again, I don't understand the belief that the in-game exhibits are small; they're actually gigantic. Sixteen square meters is huge.
  1. Green anaconda (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Reticulated python (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. King Cobra (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Snakes go in exhibits. Only in specific circumstances are they kept in open-air enclosures. Like all ectotherms, they require regulated temperature and humidity, so outside of their natural environment it's simply better animal welfare to keep them in terraria. Not to mention that snakes are notoriously good at escaping, and can be incredibly invasive.
  1. Radiated tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. African spurred tortoise (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Both are large enough to be habitat animals, and would behave similarly to the two giant tortoises we already have.
  1. Chinese softshell turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. New guinea snake-necked turtle (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
No reason to think these would be habitat animals.
  1. Argentine giant tegu (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Similar to monitor lizards, so habitat.
  1. Frill-necked lizard (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
Smaller than the iguana, so exhibit.
  1. Two-toed sloth (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  2. Slow loris (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  3. Golden lion tamarin (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
  4. Senegal galago (Exhibit vs. Habitat)
All habitat, because Frontier hasn't given us any reason to think they'll deviate from ectotherms for exhibits. In any case none of these are suitable exhibit animals.

I cut out the last two because frankly I don't know why they'd be added to the game anyway.
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Anyway to answer the original question this post stood out as mirroring my exact thoughts and sentiments (although I really do love alligator/snapper mixed enclosures, but I also recognize that snappers are basically glorified props)
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
biggest_dreamer said:
I think that's just one piece of the puzzle, though. The species seem to do well in groups, at least to an extent, but 16m2 surely wouldn't support more than 2 tortoises max.
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Not necessarily - the care manual for the other species says a density of 1/2m2, though for this species males sometimes can’t be kept together because they sometimes fight.

biggest_dreamer said:
. Exhibit species are generally supposed to be so perpetually immobile that you don't notice that they don't actually move while you're looking at them. I don't think tortoises really pass that criteria.
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The turtle already in-game is just as mobile as tortoises usually are.
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
ElectricMonk said:
Not necessarily - the care manual for the other species says a density of 1/2m2, though for this species males sometimes can’t be kept together because they sometimes fight.

The turtle already in-game is just as mobile as tortoises usually are.
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But again--much of the radiated tortoise's appeal comes from the aforementioned potential for habitat mixing with lemurs.
 

Dodoraptor

D
ElectricMonk said:
Seriously? 64 square meters? If you were standing on on side you’d be struggling to see an animal at the other side of the exhibit, especially one in water (snapping turtle) - you’d be looking through 8m of water. I’ve seen snapping turtles, for instance, in tanks much smaller than the current 4x4 exhibits, never seen one in an exhibit that size, and never seen one in anything even close to 8x8 - I’ve seen adult saltwater crocodiles in less space than that. As NZFanatic says above, 4x4 is a very large enclosure - bigger than an average room in a house, for example.
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Fair enough
Perhaps a better thing would be to give most of the current exhibit animals the ability to be in smaller exhibits of 2x2x2
Probably 1x1x1 for the invertebrates and the smallest of the vertebrates (because a 0.5x0.5x0.5 would probably be too small for an interactable structure)
 
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