Exploration value formulae

CMDR CHIGGY VONRICTOFEN

CMDR CHIGGY VONRICTOFEN
Mapping my ELWs from the bubble to Colonia, cleared more than 600 million in a 24 hour period. That's more than I made in my first entire year playing. In fact, only made 900 million on my last 10K system circumnavigation. It would seem credits are about as meaningful as exploration ranking now....
 
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BlackMirror

BlackMirror
The mapping bonus does seem to be tremendous. I was curious about it myself and set out to compare FSS scan value to Map value. In my small sample set, mapping multiplied the sell value nearly 3x. I had a WW that showed 109,156 cr before mapping, and 454,818 after mapping. I had a bunch of small icy moons that were all 500 before mapping, and the few that I mapped jumped up to just shy of 1500 after.

Thinking about it, isn't 500 what rice was worth with just a honk before, and they'd go to ~900ish after scan? I think the WW's value pre-mapping probably also correlates to pre-scan value.

I took screenshots of stuff and put it on imgur here: https://imgur.com/a/dOQfhw7

I got efficiency bonus on all but Kojeara 4. Unfortunately I'm not sure how that affects displayed value in the Universal Cartographics screen I took these numbers from.

That's all I had time for before work. Hope it's helpful. I might do some more experimenting later.
 
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Pirin

Pirin
I think they did something with the rewards system. Not sure if it was intentional or not :) In any case, i am getting some really weird rewards lately. For example, almost 900000 for a totally unremarkable Ammonia World. Just for the scan, i didnt map it. At the most bizarre reward: more than 800000 for a regular A class (or was it G or K...dont remember) star :eek:
Have no idea what is going on. Am i missing something?
 

Zathres

Z
Was in COL 285 Sector OK-C

Was not the first to discover or first to map and got the following data

Seems surface scanning = 4x the FSS, several other systems seemed to roughly support this

(FSS payout / Surface maping with efficency payout)

1- HMC (11,365 / 47,353)
2- HMC (12,500 / 52,084)
3- WW (90,143 / 375,596)
 

Zathres

Z
Zathres said:
Was in COL 285 Sector OK-C

Was not the first to discover or first to map and got the following data

Seems surface scanning = 4x the FSS, several other systems seemed to roughly support this

(FSS payout / Surface maping with efficency payout)

1- HMC (11,365 / 47,353)
2- HMC (12,500 / 52,084)
3- WW (90,143 / 375,596)
Click to expand...

Sorry bout the double post, couldnt find a edit button

Plugged the Data into a spread sheet (going to need way more data to confirm) but it seems

Surface scan is 4.17x the FSS scan with just the probe efficency bonus
Surface scan is 12.5x the FSS scan with Probe efficency & first mapped bonus

This data was taken in or close to the bubble. Have a long trip planned im going to record every star system and see what sort of data I get. Hopefully this helps someone.

Here is a link to the spread sheet for theose who want to see

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mbwkThXaQEq362HVi4UIHNbBPi20kDYz/view?usp=sharing
 

space voyager

space voyager
Zathres said:
Was in COL 285 Sector OK-C

Was not the first to discover or first to map and got the following data

Seems surface scanning = 4x the FSS, several other systems seemed to roughly support this

(FSS payout / Surface maping with efficency payout)

1- HMC (11,365 / 47,353)
2- HMC (12,500 / 52,084)
3- WW (90,143 / 375,596)
Click to expand...

If this is correct, I like the numbers. The mapping bonus should be far higher as the time usage is, too.
 

CMDR CHIGGY VONRICTOFEN

CMDR CHIGGY VONRICTOFEN
I'm also keeping track of how many probes I use on each one...see if coming in under par makes a difference. I didnt pay attention when I left Jameson, but my maxxed out lvl 5 long range scanner , when it was changed over, is only a lvl 3 (30%+ radius) a level 5 is +50%.
 

marx

marx
Right, I updated my earlier data (see here) with new values, from some more planet types too. A few masses still miss their six-digit journal values, those are marked with italics - I could share those some time later, if any of them would be important.
That'll be all from me then, I don't plan on going out again for the foreseeable future. Maybe on DW2, we'll see - but even if I will, it'll take a while to get the data from that one back.
 

Spansh

S
Zathres said:
Sorry bout the double post, couldnt find a edit button

Plugged the Data into a spread sheet (going to need way more data to confirm) but it seems

Surface scan is 4.17x the FSS scan with just the probe efficency bonus
Surface scan is 12.5x the FSS scan with Probe efficency & first mapped bonus

This data was taken in or close to the bubble. Have a long trip planned im going to record every star system and see what sort of data I get. Hopefully this helps someone.

Here is a link to the spread sheet for theose who want to see

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mbwkThXaQEq362HVi4UIHNbBPi20kDYz/view?usp=sharing
Click to expand...

Nice work, hopefully that holds true and we can move forward with that (even if it's only mostly right we can use it as an estimate), now we just need to see if the FSS stuff has changed from our original equation and I can start making the changes to my router.

Edit: Having looked at the data it seems like the FSS scan has changed, in some cases quite drastically.
 
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MattG

MattG
Spansh said:
Edit: Having looked at the data it seems like the FSS scan has changed, in some cases quite drastically.
Click to expand...

I have a revised formula, probably around 75% done. There are bugs (I think) that are hampering efforts though (like receiving First Disc bonus when not FD etc). And some stuff that's just confusing me, possibly transcript errors, possibly Fdev tweaking payouts, and almost certainly terraformables that aren't getting full bonus messing things up.

Could use some data on stars / black holes / neutrons / white dwarves if anyone has it (payout + mass, ideally from Journal)

But Soon[tm].
 

Spansh

S
MattG said:
I have a revised formula, probably around 75% done. There are bugs (I think) that are hampering efforts though (like receiving First Disc bonus when not FD etc). And some stuff that's just confusing me, possibly transcript errors, possibly Fdev tweaking payouts, and almost certainly terraformables that aren't getting full bonus messing things up.

Could use some data on stars / black holes / neutrons / white dwarves if anyone has it (payout + mass, ideally from Journal)

But Soon[tm].
Click to expand...

Keep up the good work :)
 

marx

marx
The thing that bugs me is that when I truly did first discoveries on ELWs, I received 2.7-3.5M in total (scanning and mapping). But when I mapped an ELW that was already discovered by someone else, including me, I'd receive nearly double that amount. So, which one is bugged?

Oh, and @ Matt: some errors might also be due to a bug where the game would say you've hit the efficiency bonus, but still used the old target for that, and wouldn't actually achieve the bonus. For example, larger ELWs might be 7 probes now, but still use the prior 6 target.

Also, for the record: TRAPPIST-1 doesn't have any missing digits, they are manually set to those exact amounts.
 
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MattG

MattG
OK, I'm posting what I have so far, and to ask for more data. I really need more examples to work with.

I've refined the formula to this:
k + (k * m[SIZE=1]0.2[/SIZE] * q)

q is a constant in the ballpark of 0.565917 - but I'm still refining (it's probably no more than +/- 0.00001). I'm sure this number has a significance I'm missing, otherwise it's a very odd figure.

For just the FFSS, k is about:
HMC 9654
WW 64831
AW 96931
IW/RW/Garbage 300

First discoverer is a 2.6 multiplier.
Still working on terraformability, but for HMCs it's about 100677. Terraformability is still a range.

This formula also works for old scans and payouts if you multiply up by 2.4 - which correlates nicely to the +100% and +20% bonuses bodies have received since the early days.

DSS is... trickier. There are individual multipliers for different parts when using DSS - but at the moment I'm not sure they're straight multiplied up. I'm close, but between not having enough data, random bugs, and terraformability not always being 100%, it's quite the headache. More data required.

Data needed:
Body type, body mass, terraformable? First Discoverer? DSS'd? If so, First Mapped? Efficiency bonus?

Also need data on stars/neutrons/black holes:
Body type, body mass, First Discoverer ?
 

marx

marx
I'd suggest (re)doing specific places in or near the bubble (which was why I included Trappist-1 and MCC 528), for which we have payout values already. Then you can compare values with and without the efficiency bonus, mapping et cetera. It's easier to find volunteers for "please scan these five systems" than "please scan five water worlds".

As for the q constant: seems to me like a regular constant to make the regression fit. Might be some hidden variables in play, but if the predicted amounts are accurate enough this way, then for most purposes the problem's solved.
 

TatteredYellow

TatteredYellow
is it possible to tell - from the log file only - what the sale values are going to be? I am sitting on about 35m of data where I took pretty good notes on WHERE I was and what was scanned. before I sell it, I want to ensure I get the right data from Cartographics if I need to check those screens.
 

glaukos

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I can confirm that mapping appears to pay ~4.17x of FSS scan value with efficiency bonus, and I'll add that without efficiency bonus it pays ~3.33x. I haven't seen a consistent pattern with first mapped bonuses because the first mapped popup screen is buggy and it consolidates the bonuses together on one line meaning you have to only map one planet per system to see the per-planet payout.
 

BlackMirror

BlackMirror
Since you asked for black holes and neutron stars:

BodyMassPayout-FSSPayout-Old
Magellan A (NS)2.2070317479956118
Eol Prou EL-Y F27 (BH)4.6953132760058158
Eol Prou RS-T D3-287 (NS)0.5468754911454757
Eol Prou IW-W E1-3121 (BH)2.9140632852456697
Eol Prou PX-T D3-888 (NS)0.5429692900154754

I've been (slowly) compiling data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18KR3IXPARUYE7OIgMAT9Qaguw1csYVT7DlrvPjUCiK4/edit?usp=sharing

No first discovery. Values were taken from UC screen without actually selling the data.

I intend to go add a few more black holes to the list, either tonight or sometime tomorrow.

Edit: Got a couple new ones tonight. Added to table above.
 
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MattG

MattG
OK, so initial impressions for stars/BH/neutrons/WD looks to be same/similar formula, k values divided by 2.4 again (probably rounded to integer). So for normal stars, k=1200. However, the main star is getting an additional bump. Remember when they said honking would still earn the same amount for "travelling explorers" (because we obviously are only in it for the credits...)? I believe they're adding that value to the main star now. Can't confirm this for sure until we've solved the formula but it definitely looks that way. Would be interesting to see payouts for non-main neutrons/black holes, and mains where the NS/BH is the only body. I guess that makes it a bit harder for 3rd party tools to guess main star value though - if I'm right you'll need to keep refining that value as more bodies are resolved.
 
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