Exploration value formulae
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Possibly, but (as MattG noted) the bonus might just as well be based on parameters the game currently doesn't provide or the patterns are so obscure we just don't recognise them yet (one of the reasons why I did those the visualizations).Seems to be completety random then.
This is just my opinion, but I'd very much be surprised if FD included anything random in the payouts. The cause might be as-yet-unknown variables, or it might simply be a bug. Did anyone try to file a bug report perhaps?Ok, thanks.
Seems to be completety random then.
Don't think it's random, and don't think it's a bug. The fact it appears to be on a fixed scale appears to suggest neither is true - and whilst we can't predict the terraformable bonus (yet?), we know certain things appear to have an effect.
I need to work more on this. Even if it's not "solvable", we might be able to say that there's an 80% chance the k vlaue is around x...
Terraformable to me, says the object has to meet certain criteria to be ideal, and then there's the not so ideal Terraformables.
So if you were to take Earth as Ideal Terraformable world then the Mass, distance from the sun, atmosphere and gravity would be Ideal values offering the best return.
Outside of that those values, you could get a linear curve to indicate not so ideal conditions for each of the parameters. A non Co2 based atmosphere could well have a steaper curve that differs to one for say gravity or distance from the sun. How you then perform a calculation on those variables, to give an overall percentage for bonus, that's the interesting part.
Agreed. This is not random:
With the information we currently have access to, it's not 100% predictable either, unfortunately.
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Has there been any trend indicated in terraformables WITHOUT atmospheres in regards to the bonus, and what possible difference no atmosphere makes?
Yes. The combined dataset (Iain666 and LP Garnell) has 32 HMCB terraformable candidates with no atmosphere (none for WWs). All of them received the full bonus.
There is no way to pull the values from systems already sold is there?
I just posted in the thread: "Dashboard Planet Hologram Reference"
Then I found this one.
Today, I got a first on planet C1 in the Smojai ES-K B8-3 system.
It is a Terrestial Water World. I got 255,789 and a bonus of 127,894
So I think the payout is random. Why? I also handed in about 20 HMC worlds and the payouts were all over the place. (One of the systems had several HMCs in a row).
I'd welcome a reply if my information warrants it.
Then I found this one.
Today, I got a first on planet C1 in the Smojai ES-K B8-3 system.
It is a Terrestial Water World. I got 255,789 and a bonus of 127,894
So I think the payout is random. Why? I also handed in about 20 HMC worlds and the payouts were all over the place. (One of the systems had several HMCs in a row).
I'd welcome a reply if my information warrants it.
You can get the whole system sale value, but not the individual bodies. That said, I was considering adding something to EDJP that would scan the journals where there was only one CFT scanned - then we could take the system value and take off the non-CFT bodies (which will be reasonably accurate) and leave the CFT value. I'll see if I get time, would be potentially useful for the cherry pickers amongst us...
Been looking at LP's data again (almost exclusively HMCs), and maybe it's lack of coffee - but I've been working on why some of the candidates seem to have bigger jumps for what otherwise look like good quality candidates. I've been ignoring those where the difference is in the region of 3-12%(ish), and focusing on those that are 20+(ish). It strikes me that a good portion of these are in systems with other CFT HMCs, and the "poorer" one almost always seems to be later in the list of planets, rarely is it the first one. It's not all of them, there are likely other factors, but for a lot of the otherwise good examples, they seem to be 2nd or 3rd CFT HMC in the system. Possible it's entirely coincidental, but it feels like an odd coincidence?
LPG - I don't suppose you have screenshots for the system maps of systems in your dataset? There's a few times it would've been useful to know what was before / after a certain planet, and without scan data a screenshot of the system might provide some clues about those planets - even if we don't have their specific data. Also, how did you decide which bodies to scan? Did you use a goldilocks zone calculator, or did you eyeball them?
LPG - I don't suppose you have screenshots for the system maps of systems in your dataset? There's a few times it would've been useful to know what was before / after a certain planet, and without scan data a screenshot of the system might provide some clues about those planets - even if we don't have their specific data. Also, how did you decide which bodies to scan? Did you use a goldilocks zone calculator, or did you eyeball them?
It looks like the system you mention here was a NON terraforming candidate body, and the bonus is the 50% first discovered bonus. The 20 HMC with payouts all over the place were likely a mix of terraformables, and non terraformables.
It's unfortunate that it is not more straight forward and accessible.
I am currently heading slowly back to port from my current exploration mission of collecting data points for landable terraformables in the Ogaiw Sector, and have somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1000 terraformables to turn in, and I suppose I could take the time to manually record the payout values.
No, I didn't take screenshots of 1000+ (?) systems. Was focused on just finding the terraformables at the time. However, if after looking at what I mention below doesn't scratch your itch, would be more than happy to do so if you provide specific system names. Do recognize that some are iains.
My methodology for determining which planets to scan for terra candidates was based on the EDD goldilocks zone. A significant number of the HMCB TCs were in HMCB/WW/MRB rich systems. Without getting into all the specifics of primary vs secondary vs magnitude/distance separation, my goal was to "bracket" the TCs. Usually tried to scan on the high side and low side of TCs until I hit non-TC HMCB/WWs that were on the edge/outside the goldilocks zone.
Have amended my original post, adding a file with a tab to the far right that has -All- scans, whether TC or not (over 6600). For my stuff, most of what you seek should be there. My original intention was to include this data, but it more than doubled the size of the file.
Hope this helps.
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That's great, thanks. I'll start digging again when I get a sec...
That would work if the whole system was scanned and had only one CFT - but otherwise an unknown amount of credits for stuff just honked and so invisible to the journals is going to make that a very murky picture...
So your method in working on the formula boils down to manually recording the payout as you sell the data? As I said, I am returning from a mission to collect data on landable terraformables, so I have roughly 1,000 terraformables I will be selling in the next few days. If that data would be valuable to your research, I can try and record the payout info as well.
Good point - though IIRC it also gives the bonus portion, in which case I should be able to still work out scanned values where the ststem wasn’t already tagged. Maybe. I will have a closer look at the journal tomorrow.
Yes, currently this means manually recording the payouts, as the journal file only gives us the sum of the sold system or page.
However you choose to gather that data, I suggest making screenshots of the payout screens - just in case you later need to verify suspicious values. Last trip resulted in about 3k screenshots and I was glad I had them, as there were quite a few cases where I had to check (despite/because OCR).
In any case: All additions to the pool of payout data is much appreciated!