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Fall DLC 2023 Speculation
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In your eyes it is and I’m ok with that. How many times have you seen kiwi in zoos and what was the enclosure like?
For me Kiwi would be nice to have but it is far from iconic.
It’s super rare outside of NZ/AU. It’s a nocturnal bird that is mostly showcased in Nocturnal houses in tiny exhibits so I really see no use for it in Planet Zoo right now.
On the other hand we have 12 breeding pairs of tree kangaroos in Europe that are showcased as a super rarity in beautiful enclosures and 7 pairs of Kiwis that nearly newer breeds.
None of those species is an iconic zoo animal.
They may be important for a regional representation but definitely not iconic.
If I would have to choose I would go with the tree kangaroo which seems to be more versatile.
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I’ll say they’re both welcome additions in my zoos. Kiwis are iconic and Tree Kangaroos are unique. I have seen them both in captivity and they are very interesting animals. Also anything to help with the Franklin Park Zoo recreation is very much appreciated by me!
Speaking of scrolling, why can we not quick scroll through the zoopedia like we can do with virtually any other animal list
excuse me, but for me for example Tree Kangaroo it's necessary. that you don't think that Tree Kangaroo is necessary.well sure, your opinion. but anyone has animals in the wishlist that they are not like must have for a zoo game but we still want to see them, we got animals like Platypus, Proboscis monkey, Brown Throated Sloth and etc...
and well more zoos has the Tree Kangaroo than all those three animals TOGETHER
you know not every animal has to be super common in zoos or very known animals, and tha'ts something that I'm really happy that frontier doing is that they not just adding animals that are very common and known they also adding animals that I'm sure a decent amount of the community don't know it's exist and then they get to learn about those awesome species!
so maybe you see the Tree Kangaroo as a not a "need" animal, but in fact that is my most wanted animal for PZ currently, so they are VERY necessary for me, and as you can see I'm not the only one who thinks that because you can check the meta-wishlist and you can see where the tree kangaroo standing in (it's seating right now at 6# rank).
so, well you can see it's necessary for a lot of people's such as ME! sorry if it's sounding pretty rude or something, I just hate when the people's in community thinks only about what is necessary for the game and whats not instead of looking at the WHOLE community.
I think the baboon is the only one we actually need that’s left. It’s the only big name animal remaining. We have everything else that is a “celebrity” animal (lions, sea lions, seals, penguins) most people know what a baboon is when they hear it, they might not know what a tree kangaroo or Tasmanian devil looks like.
Only once, but I didn't just mean iconic as a zoo animal but just iconic in general, similar to the platypus.
Yea, I was just stating my opinion that I don't think it is necessary. It is fine to disagree, but at the end of the day everyone's opinion on what is necessary differs and people are going to want certain animals over other ones. Also for the record, the tree-kangaroo is on my wishlist too.
I think for the current active community, it matters very, very little if an animal is considered a "star animal" by random zoo goers. For the zoo nerds community, a coati, pelican, mara, tree kangaroo, tasmanian devil, just to name a few would be considered a very reasonable wants, even if average zoo goer probably do not know what these are. This discussion is quite pointless in my opinion.
The mainsteam community basically got what they needed probably right after they got their penguin, seal, otter, meerkat and capybara. I mean sure, some part of them may come back to the game after every new DLC drops, but I would say that the current hardcore community, which I would say know a bit more about zoos and animals than your average Joe, are mostly the ones that keep buying the packs. It does not really matter if Kiwi or Tasmanian Devil are more iconic. Your average zoo nerd would probably want both of those, just becuase in the big picture of the zoo world, both of those are iconic and unique animals. General public will move on from the game anyway, the hardcore community will stay, enhance the game with mods and keep playing. Of course, we all have animals that we want more than others, but more unique animals we get, the better in the longrun, who cares if Joe does not know what a Kiwi or Tas. devil is, Joe will probably play other game soon anyway.
The mainsteam community basically got what they needed probably right after they got their penguin, seal, otter, meerkat and capybara. I mean sure, some part of them may come back to the game after every new DLC drops, but I would say that the current hardcore community, which I would say know a bit more about zoos and animals than your average Joe, are mostly the ones that keep buying the packs. It does not really matter if Kiwi or Tasmanian Devil are more iconic. Your average zoo nerd would probably want both of those, just becuase in the big picture of the zoo world, both of those are iconic and unique animals. General public will move on from the game anyway, the hardcore community will stay, enhance the game with mods and keep playing. Of course, we all have animals that we want more than others, but more unique animals we get, the better in the longrun, who cares if Joe does not know what a Kiwi or Tas. devil is, Joe will probably play other game soon anyway.
Honestly, there’s A LOT that Frontier could add/tweak in a potential PZ2. As many people have now shown in this thread, the list could go on and on.. But in truth, if Frontier felt like doing pretty minimal things for a potential sequel and created a “PZ1+” it’d still likely sell plenty enough copies for it to be a financial success. PZ1 was shown to be a very successful game for them, and I’ve got a strong feeling them adding a couple new mechanics, a handful of new species, and wrapping it all in some refreshed packaging/advertising would be enough to cause most PZ1 buyers to cave and buy the second game.
Pretty much everything @NZFanatic mentions above I agree with. I also don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that Frontier might “hold back” animals we got in PZ1 as selling points for new DLC in a potential PZ2. Especially if said animals were to receive model & animation overhauls. The Orangutan is a prime example and the same could be said for a number of other base-game species.
And in truth, I don’t think that’d be a bad thing either. There’s a number of base-game species that feel pretty “rushed” to say the least when compared to most of the other animals in PZ’s roster. Additionally, many of these animals could have been headliners/selling-points for DLCs and gotten more attention to their models/animations. Some examples include, the Okapi, Snow Leopard, Orangutan, Indian Elephant, etc.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. People need to stop trying to assume other players’ reasonings for why they would like to see certain species in PZ. Just because a species was in a previous zoo game doesn’t mean that’s why someone wants it in PZ.
I personally could care less what was in any of the Zoo Tycoon games, but I’ve always hoped there’d be a Secretary Bird in PZ since the game’s announcement. Is it an overly common species in real-life zoos? Nope. Does that change the value of my opinion/wish? Again, nope. Not at all. What I’ve always wanted for new PZ animal inclusions is species that provide both new forms of gameplay/habitat-builds and new rigs/animations. A Secretary Bird would be PZ’s first, and likely only, Bird of Prey. And it’d likely come with a variety of new behaviors and animations to match its unique taxonomy and anatomy (unique for PZ at least).
My personal priority has never been just getting species that are the most common in real-life zoos. But for some other players, that is what they prioritize. And that’s not any less valid than my “wishlist’s” reasonings. People can want what they want, and they don’t have to have a specific set of reasons for it.
Yea this all goes back to me saying it’s all subjective. This idea of Star or essential animals is just false. The hypothetical pz2 can just give more related terrestrial species and add birds and aquatics and I’d be a hit with us zoo nerds for the general public it would just be cool having some iconic birds / species sprinkled in. Honestly this whole essential / star conversation is just a non factor for dlc for a sequel imo
This is the comment I was waiting for.
It's very clear that everybody, even among the active community, has different needs/wants.
To be honest, after the North America animal pack, I was pretty satisfied with the roster. I still had a few wants, but I wasn't in need of anything on particular because I got what I wanted. However, there are those who needed a capybara, those that needed an emu. In my eyes, all these are bonuses. I got a lotta cool animals I needed, now I'm getting more just because they're nice.
So, while the casual player received their elephant, tiger, polar bear, and African rhino, the zoo fans got their maned wolf, lar gibbon, and porcupine.
There are still a few gaps, though
Prefacing, this is not directly towards any one person. the "You" is a general you, I'm not directly addressing anyone here.
Honestly, every single animal not in the game is probably necessary to at least one person. That's not going to change. If I'm not calling animal "X" necessary, that doesn't mean that someone else can't feel it's necessary. That's why things like the meta list are important, because it gives a clearer picture of what general consensus determines is necessary. If Frontier tried to add in every single animal that even just one person considered necessary, they'd be making content for 5-10 or more years.
Another thing.. I think everyone probably should warm up to the idea that not every animal you really want will make it into the game. I've got plenty of animals that I really doubt will show up. Some of those animals are even in my top 10 mammal wants. Just accept it, or prepare yourself for disappointment if you honestly believe Frontier is catering to your own personal wants in regards to the roster.
Honestly, every single animal not in the game is probably necessary to at least one person. That's not going to change. If I'm not calling animal "X" necessary, that doesn't mean that someone else can't feel it's necessary. That's why things like the meta list are important, because it gives a clearer picture of what general consensus determines is necessary. If Frontier tried to add in every single animal that even just one person considered necessary, they'd be making content for 5-10 or more years.
Another thing.. I think everyone probably should warm up to the idea that not every animal you really want will make it into the game. I've got plenty of animals that I really doubt will show up. Some of those animals are even in my top 10 mammal wants. Just accept it, or prepare yourself for disappointment if you honestly believe Frontier is catering to your own personal wants in regards to the roster.
I think Frontier wanted to please their hardcore fans though (meaning the forum users), and because by the time they were deciding the Tropical pack roster, the Sloth in the Meta-wishlist was still a Three-toed Sloth (before it was changed to Two-toed), we got stuck with that. We know they are picking the animals as long as a year ahead, so it is not that far-fetched that it could be because of the META-wishlist.
Its all subjective. I am grateful for every species Frontier gives (except the AWM). For those who wanted AWM I am happy though I guess... I will admit I am one of those who can be too vocal about DLCs. I was too vocal about the Tropical Pack. Frontier has always created (and still is creating) one of the best games for animal lovers of all time.
About PZ2, I think it will take its time. Probably in 5-6 years or more. It really needs a big change, like Zoo Tycoon 1 to Zoo Tycoon 2. But it will depend on frontier after all.
And returning to dlc, looks like next week or coming we will have news
And returning to dlc, looks like next week or coming we will have news
Right, even if PZ ends at the end of this year, I'm not expecting to see PZ2 before 2026 at very earliest, and probably more like 2027 or 2028. Look at Planet Coaster, look at when it was released - Nov 2016 - and if the next Planet game even actually is PC2, that's 8 years since launch. Frontier has other games they could in the lapse between PC2 and PZ2, and probably will - assuming PZ2 will even be a thing, which is probable but not for sure.
The good thing is that the planet series isn't contract bound like jwe is, frontier can take as much time as they like to make it a better game if that's even the goal for the planet series, we could be looking at single additions that are totally different concepts than the last one.
That's why i'm scared of Planet Zoo 2. I don't want to wait 6 or 8 years to see flying birds 
. Hopefully they'll add them at some point, and not waiting almost a decade to see them 
. I don't care if they are WE, new thing or whatever they want, with their inclusion i'll be satisfied.
. Hopefully they'll add them at some point, and not waiting almost a decade to see them . I don't care if they are WE, new thing or whatever they want, with their inclusion i'll be satisfied.This is pretty spot-on. But I'd add to it that the "cuteness/coolness" factor can't be overlooked, even for average players... Just because they don't know what an animal is before the DLC drops it doesn't mean they won't care about it once they do see it! There's been more than a few times where I've heard content creators say things like "I had no idea what these were before the pack dropped but now that I know what they are? THEY'RE SO CUTE AND COOL!" Obviously that's not verbatim, but you get the idea.
And I would argue that, for some folks, many of the animals in discussion here (e.g., tazzy, tree kangaroo, kiwi) are in the category of "would be cute and cool enough to hook people."
That said, you still need a roster of animals that - once people see them - they would be interested in. If that makes sense.