The meta-wishlist is a drop in the ocean. This community extends well beyond the few people who participated in it.
Fall DLC 2023 Speculation
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It is always the same comment. But the Meta Wishlist is the only thing I can find which has a counted number of votes by a higher number of users. Thats why I take it as a reference. Seeing 10 people on Reddit Posting they want some animal within the Game shows that 10 people want that animal but it has no comparing value.
That is somehow also the same here within the Forum. Louder peoples animal wishes within the Forum seem to be much more popular than they really are. Best example is the Tanuki which often is and was mentioned as requested animal but only Ranks somewhere around place 60 in the meantime (and this was a Forum example).
Right, forgot about the exhibit animals. Caracal I guess was fairly popular. Armadillo and Hyena....well, I would not consider them hugely requested, but rather the "nice to have" category? I guess these are arguable.
But this only adds to my point. I am not saying that support wont end at the end of this year, but I do not agree that we are suddenly recieving popular animals and that it is an indicator that they are wrapping things up, because we have always been recieving about the same amount of popular animals and I do not see any change now in this regards personally.
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An Armadillo species was highly requested but their votes were very divided because of all the different Armadillo species. So the list did not really reflected this as all different species have an own ranking. But taking all votes together it would have been a Top 15 animal.
There would have still be plenty of ideas for PC, i just say waterparks with all its rides and extensions, more movie collabs and so on.
And sorry to dissapoint you but thats very, very unlikely to happen, they will in no way continue releasing DLCs for this game until PZ2 is announced. At one point they will simply stop and we have to wait. And tbh i dont really think they care if a rival studio makes a zoo game. They still own the Planet Zoo name and their hardcore fans will still play it even if development stops and as soon as they announce the new one, with all its new ideas and possibilities, they will attract huge numbers of players again. Its not like they would have to fear any competition at this point.
Exactly that, the writing is on the wall for some time now and people just refuse to see it, out of fear of loosing the chance for their favourite animals to appear in the game. But to be real, there will never be a point where everyones fav animal will be in the game and we should accept that and enjoy the roster we have now + whatever comes in the next two packs.
Just adding that collaborating with a zoo doesn't mean having to physically go to the zoo. Frontier did some collabs with San Diego Zoo in the earliest months after the launch, before the covid. It makes sense designing the game visiting the zoos they have near them, but then using the best zoos in the word to make the promos (Chester, San Diego... and maybe now Singapore).
Hopefully, but I won't be able to bear a whole summer of doom-posting around these forums.
On the contrary, I think our first DLCs were full of even more highly requested species. Not even things like "A lot of people like porcupines, give us porcupines", but more like "this game has no Australian or South American animals". Polar bear, kangaroo, koala, jaguar, llama, capuchin monkey... Any of those is more essential to a zoo game than any of the animals in the last 2-3 DLCs except maybe the dromedary (just "maybe" because we already got some camel in base game).
Shrinking figures are absolutely expected on any project of this kind. It happens from video games sales to movies box office. The important thing is the rate of shrinking, and the famous graphic proves that PZ is the game by Frontier that is behaving the best on the long term.
I'm letting here my post from just one month ago where I bet on having our last DLC on summer 2024 or even on summer 2025.
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3.4m - as of january
These sites above used by people are sussy with weird stats.
It seems that pz is profitable enough to keep getting support although it’s not the strongest seller in frontier now
DeLady already reminded me of that on Twitter, but remember, they actually did send staff over and it was for the MAIN game, so at the beginning of the life cycle of the game, when a huge profit was expected. Not for a random DLC nearing the end of the life cycle. No matter how much anyone believes PZ will go on for much longer, it doesn't make as much profit as it did 2019.
It's on everybody alone what to believe or not believe, I'll still stay with the opinion that the singapore thing alone already is proof enough that it's a totally fake rumor.
Wow you guys really doing some mental gymnastics to justify your assumption of the game ending support lol, the arid pack literally released a week ago like come on now how are you even saying it's performing worse when we can't even do a proper assessement of that 
And I think there is no need to explain that older trailers are inherently going to have more views than recent ones. .-.
And most importantly of all, the Planet Zoo playerbase is still highly active, specially compared to JWE2, which is a bigger seller simply because it's multiplatform. Just check steamdb, there is no noticeable decline at all, the Tropical pack had the highest peak in players since the Wetlands pack, where is the decline here? Just by checking the numbers, when the Conservation pack released last year the player count was 8835, with the release of Arid pack the count is seemingly 8641, if you told me the player count has reduced more than half I would be worrying, but it's not the case.
Also how is that report summary any indication of PZ being bad, it just mentions their biggest seller and last year releases? Why would they have to mention Planet Zoo??? And then you have the audacity to say you are not being doomers...
And I think there is no need to explain that older trailers are inherently going to have more views than recent ones. .-.What the... NONE of those signs are right nor point out support is ending anytime soon, why are you guys being like this omg
- They have been adding highly requested animals in the packs since the first DLC (how is this even a reason, obviously they are not going to add stuff that is not going to sell wth), arguably the last DLCs are being WORSE in that aspect because they are adding random not-so-requested species (Asiant water monitor, dama gazelle, sand cat, hello?)
- Again, the reason updates aren't major anymore is simply because the window for adding substantial changes to the game reduces every time it gets updated
- Them working on a game means nothing, they are working on their next Planet game as we speak, they work on several games at the same time that's what a game developing company does
- Planet Zoo is currently in the top 50 sellers on steam right now the sales are far from being shrinking, the game keeps selling consistently, where do you even get this from??
And most importantly of all, the Planet Zoo playerbase is still highly active, specially compared to JWE2, which is a bigger seller simply because it's multiplatform. Just check steamdb, there is no noticeable decline at all, the Tropical pack had the highest peak in players since the Wetlands pack, where is the decline here? Just by checking the numbers, when the Conservation pack released last year the player count was 8835, with the release of Arid pack the count is seemingly 8641, if you told me the player count has reduced more than half I would be worrying, but it's not the case.
Also how is that report summary any indication of PZ being bad, it just mentions their biggest seller and last year releases? Why would they have to mention Planet Zoo??? And then you have the audacity to say you are not being doomers...
Then Iben is also a doomer by now. Again I have no idea why you guys refuse to even think about the possibility that we go towards the end of the game. No dooming here whatsoever, just looking at what we have atm and making conclusions from that, the same way you do, just in a different direction. And to be real, NO ONE here, can say with 100% guarantee if the games gets more support or not. No one here works for them, no one here has any insight. The game could end tomorrow, if the higher ups at Frontier decide it so, and we would need to accept that. Or it could go on for another year.Wow you guys really doing some mental gymnastics to justify your assumption of the game ending support lol, the arid pack literally released a week ago like come on now how are you even saying it's performing worse when we can't even do a proper assessement of that
What the... NONE of those signs are right nor point out support is ending anytime soon, why are you guys being like this omg
- They have been adding highly requested animals in the packs since the first DLC (how is this even a reason, obviously they are not going to add stuff that is not going to sell wth), arguably the last DLCs are being WORSE in that aspect because they are adding random not-so-requested species (Asiant water monitor, dama gazelle, sand cat, hello?)
- Again, the reason updates aren't major anymore is simply because the window for adding substantial changes to the game reduces every time it gets updated
- Them working on a game means nothing, they are working on their next Planet game as we speak, they work on several games at the same time that's what a game developing company does
- Planet Zoo is currently in the top 50 sellers on steam right now
And most importantly of all, the Planet Zoo playerbase is still highly active, specially compared to JWE2, which is a bigger seller simply because it's multiplatform. Just check steamdb, there is no noticeable decline at all, the Tropical pack had the highest peak in players since the Wetlands pack, where is the decline here? Just by checking the numbers, when the Conservation pack released last year the player count was 8835, with the release of Arid pack the count is seemingly 8641, if you told me the player count has reduced more than half I would be worrying, but it's not the case.
Also how is that report summary any indication of PZ being bad, it just mentions their biggest seller and last year releases? Why would they have to mention Planet Zoo??? And then you have the audacity to say you are not being doomers...
But as it stands by now, this could be the last year in the same way as we could get another year. The chances are 50/50, if we ignore sales, declining playerbase, popularity on steam or any positive and negative factors, which tbh there is no factor that says definitely more support and no factor that says otherwhise.
We can only know for sure once the annual report releases in september. Until then its no doom-saying, its just us accepting the fact that we could see the end soon and that we are fine with that
Also the "audacity to say you are not being doomers"?! Im sorry mate, but its a name, you guys, who refuse to accept something to end, give people, who try to see it more realistically. Please dont try to force a term on someone and then say they they would be audacious to not accept it. Thats really not a great beheaviour for someone in a community, that otherwhise is very welcoming and friendly to each other.Wow you guys really doing some mental gymnastics to justify your assumption of the game ending support lol, the arid pack literally released a week ago like come on now how are you even saying it's performing worse when we can't even do a proper assessement of that
What the... NONE of those signs are right nor point out support is ending anytime soon, why are you guys being like this omg
- They have been adding highly requested animals in the packs since the first DLC (how is this even a reason, obviously they are not going to add stuff that is not going to sell wth), arguably the last DLCs are being WORSE in that aspect because they are adding random not-so-requested species (Asiant water monitor, dama gazelle, sand cat, hello?)
- Again, the reason updates aren't major anymore is simply because the window for adding substantial changes to the game reduces every time it gets updated
- Them working on a game means nothing, they are working on their next Planet game as we speak, they work on several games at the same time that's what a game developing company does
- Planet Zoo is currently in the top 50 sellers on steam right now
And most importantly of all, the Planet Zoo playerbase is still highly active, specially compared to JWE2, which is a bigger seller simply because it's multiplatform. Just check steamdb, there is no noticeable decline at all, the Tropical pack had the highest peak in players since the Wetlands pack, where is the decline here? Just by checking the numbers, when the Conservation pack released last year the player count was 8835, with the release of Arid pack the count is seemingly 8641, if you told me the player count has reduced more than half I would be worrying, but it's not the case.
Also how is that report summary any indication of PZ being bad, it just mentions their biggest seller and last year releases? Why would they have to mention Planet Zoo??? And then you have the audacity to say you are not being doomers...
I'm not going to engage with this.
Your post is a prime example of an emotional overreaction. Nobody is saying the game is ending tomorrow, so would you and everyone else please stop pretending that's the case and untwist your knickers?
That's your prerogative. And you might be right.
I don't see it, but whatever, I'm not psychic, I'm just drawing different conclusions.
Maybe some people need to understand that saying "PZ isn't as profitable as it was 2019" = saying "PZ is a total financial disappointment to Frontier". (does not equal that sign means, editoopr is not crossing it out correctly) But balance has to be kept between production cost and revenue.
And it's totally naive to think that the game isn't understaffed and they could work on two Planet games to a huge scale (so more than mini-DLCs) simulatnously without hiring more people. And hiring more people means more costs. That need to flow back with revenue. A scale of revenue PZ might (or in my opionion definately does not) bring anymore.
Whether we get another full year of support or not, believing we are not nearer the end of support than we were a year ago or even 2019 is ... delusional.
And the free updates sure as h. aren't getting smaller because there is not enough room for new things....
And it's totally naive to think that the game isn't understaffed and they could work on two Planet games to a huge scale (so more than mini-DLCs) simulatnously without hiring more people. And hiring more people means more costs. That need to flow back with revenue. A scale of revenue PZ might (or in my opionion definately does not) bring anymore.
Whether we get another full year of support or not, believing we are not nearer the end of support than we were a year ago or even 2019 is ... delusional.
And the free updates sure as h. aren't getting smaller because there is not enough room for new things....
Nobody here said that though? Obviously as time progresses we get nearer to the end of support, nobody is disagreeing with that, but that doesn't mean it's gonna be soon when the game is still performing well and has a highly active playerbase that guarantees the profitability of more DLCs...
I think the disagreement here is that some people think support is ending this year (the same way people doubted on support for 2023), while others (myself included) believe support for 2024 is almost guaranteed considering the current status of the game.
I'm not gonna engage in much of this discussion (I kinda missed most of it and I can't be bothered to read it all to be entirely honest), but here's my two cents anyway. I would not be at all surprised if support ends this year, even if it means that we don't receive certain popular animals by the end of support (gotta keep some stuff for PZ2 I suppose). HOWEVER, I do believe that there is enough going for at least some if not entire support for 2024, but it's obviously not a guarantee. Even if a new Planet series game gets announced next year, there could still be one or two packs like how Planet Coaster had it's last two the same year that we got Planet Zoo.
I say we just try to enjoy whatever comes next my dudes, dudettes, and gender dudetrals.
I say we just try to enjoy whatever comes next my dudes, dudettes, and gender dudetrals.
What's amazing is PZ is solely for PC, no console not even Mac. So think about how many of those games were PC only.