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Feature Focus: Guest Building and Dinosaur Customisation
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Hey Dinowolf! We'll have more details to share about placeables at a later date.
Water placement will be similar to the first game where you paint it into the landscape.
We'll have more details to share about guests and guest management at a later date
The water being a brush, if its the same as it is now in JWE, is a little dissappointing; I was really hoping we'd get the dig and fill water method from PZ so some land animals like the Spino could swim. Makes me really wonder about how marine reptiles will work but all in good time. Still, excited!!
Whether or not anyone cares, I think it's important everyone knows exactly what Frontier means by "decorations" in JWE2. This post isn't meant to necessarily rain on anyone's parade, but to simply inform everyone of what is coming and what isn't.
Here's the relevant quote by Frontier regarding decorations in their latest Feature Focus
Notice how this quote has been tacked on the end of the Park Customization section detailing the same old landscaping tools we currently have (although brush sizes look like they might've been tweaked slightly) rather than the section elaborating on how attraction/amenity customization works.
Pay particular attention to the items listed: Tables and chairs, lights, banners and planters. Sound familiar? That's because these are all objects that are part of the preset/pre-placed building customization that you can cycle through for amenities/attractions.
There will NOT be any "decorations" outside of what you can select as options for building exteriors.
Don't believe me? Go through and look at all the media released so far of the game. Here's a link Frontier put together showing off everything that's been shown so far. You can also scan through the Game Informer and Games Radar articles on the game. Andrew Reiner from Game Informer only saw decorations on the outside of buildings.
Still don't believe me? Well here's Frontier confirming it themselves on Twitter.
Again, placeable benches, trash cans, etc. on paths or wherever else will NOT be a thing in JWE2.
First impressions are a big deal. Wouldn't it make sense for Frontier to showcase these things when announcing the game? Park customization/decorations were arguably one of the most requested feature from JWE. It would make zero sense for Frontier to NOT show them off in some aspect, least of all in their Feature Focus specifically about decorations and park customization.
I'm not saying this to be a pessimist or to rain on anyone's parade but to simply inform. I've been around game development for around 3 decades now so I know how PR marketing speak goes. And that's exactly what this is.
The words and phrases in these articles are phrased exactly the way they are to build up hype without technically "lying". Anyone whose been around Frontier's game development cycles long enough knows this is what they do; they've done it with all their games: Planet Coaster, Elite Dangerous, JWE, Planet Zoo, and now JWE2. Just look at the JWE trailer for a more visual realization.
Whether you believe this practice is ethical or not is irrelevant, almost all game companies do it to sell their products nowadays.
JWE2 is targeted towards a younger demographic, who on average tend to be more naive and gullible, just like a good portion of this community at times. I just want everyone to be aware exactly what Frontier means by "decorations" so no one gets their hopes up and is disappointed on release.
If you're happy with what Frontier means by decorations, then more power to you. I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, but I suppose we'll see on release. Can guarantee I won't be though.
Here's the relevant quote by Frontier regarding decorations in their latest Feature Focus
Notice how this quote has been tacked on the end of the Park Customization section detailing the same old landscaping tools we currently have (although brush sizes look like they might've been tweaked slightly) rather than the section elaborating on how attraction/amenity customization works.
Pay particular attention to the items listed: Tables and chairs, lights, banners and planters. Sound familiar? That's because these are all objects that are part of the preset/pre-placed building customization that you can cycle through for amenities/attractions.
There will NOT be any "decorations" outside of what you can select as options for building exteriors.
Don't believe me? Go through and look at all the media released so far of the game. Here's a link Frontier put together showing off everything that's been shown so far. You can also scan through the Game Informer and Games Radar articles on the game. Andrew Reiner from Game Informer only saw decorations on the outside of buildings.
Still don't believe me? Well here's Frontier confirming it themselves on Twitter.
Again, placeable benches, trash cans, etc. on paths or wherever else will NOT be a thing in JWE2.
First impressions are a big deal. Wouldn't it make sense for Frontier to showcase these things when announcing the game? Park customization/decorations were arguably one of the most requested feature from JWE. It would make zero sense for Frontier to NOT show them off in some aspect, least of all in their Feature Focus specifically about decorations and park customization.
I'm not saying this to be a pessimist or to rain on anyone's parade but to simply inform. I've been around game development for around 3 decades now so I know how PR marketing speak goes. And that's exactly what this is.
The words and phrases in these articles are phrased exactly the way they are to build up hype without technically "lying". Anyone whose been around Frontier's game development cycles long enough knows this is what they do; they've done it with all their games: Planet Coaster, Elite Dangerous, JWE, Planet Zoo, and now JWE2. Just look at the JWE trailer for a more visual realization.
Whether you believe this practice is ethical or not is irrelevant, almost all game companies do it to sell their products nowadays.
JWE2 is targeted towards a younger demographic, who on average tend to be more naive and gullible, just like a good portion of this community at times. I just want everyone to be aware exactly what Frontier means by "decorations" so no one gets their hopes up and is disappointed on release.
If you're happy with what Frontier means by decorations, then more power to you. I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, but I suppose we'll see on release. Can guarantee I won't be though.
This is very concerning. No volumetric water? Hints that Marine Reptiles are locked to the Aquatics Attractions. No interaction between marine and land creatures. No capability to create waterfalls?
I just hope we can create a vertical wall, where as JWE's slope maxed at about 65 degrees. Dinos would recognize the drop off and not attempt to climb up or down. Visually to have the ability to have cliff faces is a must in a sequel. I know it's been asked for a lot. This would allow for moats to provide 'fenceless' enclosures to maximize viewability. This also would allow placement of waterfalls.
This is also about maximizing space. In JWE, to create any height or depth to the landscape required a large footprint, with a lot of space wasted . I just hope JWE2 is a lot better in that reguard, otherwise it's just more of the same with a few bells and whistles added.
Until I see a demo of what the new terrain tools are capable of i'll hold off on a final judgement, but i'll say for now, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling.
In conjunction with my post from earlier in this thread I wanted to add that I recently just saw Evolution Square's video on her thoughts about the feature focus and this is what she even said about the tools (terrain tools, etc.) and abilities to create the elaborate, varied and interesting environments like in PZ that our dinosaurs deserve and I agree. The time stamp is from 12:14-16:38.
She said that not having the advanced terrain tools of PZ and all the various aspects that are involved with creating all those elaborate, varied and interesting environments is "a big missed opportunity." Furthermore, she said "as I always said, dinosaurs are epic and deserve epic landscapes," and this echoes what we as a community have been saying for a long time. We ABSOLUTELY NEED to have the limitless creativity for creating the environments (both elaborate and simple) for the dinosaurs (advanced terrain tools; HUGE variety of individually placeable trees, bushes, rocks from various biomes; no hitboxes for the individually placeable trees, bushes, rocks; the ability to phase and angle the individually placeable trees, bushes and rocks any way we desire; ability to make waterfalls, rapids, geysers, etc.; etc.).
Evolution Square, like myself, and the community want the limitless creativity to create any environment (elaborate and simple) for the dinosaurs as they deserve to have them and they lived in such varied environments. So we should be able to recreate Mt. Sibo if we so desired because the dinosaurs, as you even describe them Frontier, are epic and majestic and so they deserve to get those environments, we just need all the tools and abilities like in PZ to create them.
If you can add to get to that limitless creativity for creating elaborate and epic environments then please do; if not then, this would be a big missed opportunity and if there would be a sequel to JWE2 then limitless creativity for environment creation would be an ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE during development for that game.
She said that not having the advanced terrain tools of PZ and all the various aspects that are involved with creating all those elaborate, varied and interesting environments is "a big missed opportunity." Furthermore, she said "as I always said, dinosaurs are epic and deserve epic landscapes," and this echoes what we as a community have been saying for a long time. We ABSOLUTELY NEED to have the limitless creativity for creating the environments (both elaborate and simple) for the dinosaurs (advanced terrain tools; HUGE variety of individually placeable trees, bushes, rocks from various biomes; no hitboxes for the individually placeable trees, bushes, rocks; the ability to phase and angle the individually placeable trees, bushes and rocks any way we desire; ability to make waterfalls, rapids, geysers, etc.; etc.).
Evolution Square, like myself, and the community want the limitless creativity to create any environment (elaborate and simple) for the dinosaurs as they deserve to have them and they lived in such varied environments. So we should be able to recreate Mt. Sibo if we so desired because the dinosaurs, as you even describe them Frontier, are epic and majestic and so they deserve to get those environments, we just need all the tools and abilities like in PZ to create them.
If you can add to get to that limitless creativity for creating elaborate and epic environments then please do; if not then, this would be a big missed opportunity and if there would be a sequel to JWE2 then limitless creativity for environment creation would be an ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE during development for that game.
I am extremely disappointed, I wanted to be able to create Mount Sibo and a fluorescent pink T-Rex!
I'm joking of course, indeed, I'm hyper-happy with the new customization possibilities. Already from this post I know that the game will already be significantly higher than the first.
But .... a hypothetical future DLC with the fluorescent pink T-Rex? I also like purple ... XD
I'm joking of course, indeed, I'm hyper-happy with the new customization possibilities. Already from this post I know that the game will already be significantly higher than the first.
But .... a hypothetical future DLC with the fluorescent pink T-Rex? I also like purple ... XD
I hope so too, especially because it was a pain in the ass having to always try to find spaces for all the buildings in order to please every area of the park ... it spoiled the experience a bit, since it was the only way to reach 5 stars. Besides, how is it that at Jurassic World the buildings were concentrated on Main street?
I am so excited for this. Can't wait to see more of the Dinosaur customization.
The building decorations are already mentioned in the article when it says
"With the click of a button you can cycle through different looks for the building facade, the roof and potential roof decorations, entrance style and location, and different types of outside signage and decorations."
So clearly when they say:
"We've seen many of you asking if there are decorations coming in Jurassic World Evolution 2. Short answer: Yes! Tables and chairs, lights, banners and planters can all be added to your parks." 4 paragraphs later in a completely different section, they are referring to something different entirely.
That is your assumption and it is exactly what Frontier wants you to think. They are going to show you exactly what they want you to see and nothing else. All that text you see, every word is carefully crafted to say just enough to build up hype for their product and fan base without actually crossing the threshold to be a flat out lie. It's purposely misleading tbh.
I pointed this out in my post, but take a real careful look at exactly what they're saying and you'll start to pick up on things.
Note how this quote is tacked on at the end of the section regarding the terrain tools listed under "Park Customization" rather than earlier where they describe the amenity/attraction customization. There's a reason for that. They are trying to imply that there are more decorations than simple prefabricated exterior building toggles, yet all the objects they list are exactly that: prefabricated exterior building toggles.
If you go through all the media they've released thus far (linked in post), you'll see for yourself some of the different preset exterior building options. And you know what? Those presets are made up of: "Tables and chairs, lights, banners and planters". Frontier isn't technically lying, they're being misleading by stretching the truth.
I'm not saying Frontier = bad, only that you can't trust purposely placed words/media alone. They're there for a purpose and it's to try and sell more copies of the game by building hype based on assumptions rather than the truth.
Maybe I'll go about rounding up some images to show everyone exactly what Frontier is referring to by "decorations", but I'd like to think people are observant enough on their own to figure it out based on the links I provided.
I will leave you with this, a tweet by Frontier all but confirming that the "decorations" they're talking about are simply the exterior building toggles (that likely won't even be interacted with by guests if I were to hazard a guess).
I pointed this out in my post, but take a real careful look at exactly what they're saying and you'll start to pick up on things.
Note how this quote is tacked on at the end of the section regarding the terrain tools listed under "Park Customization" rather than earlier where they describe the amenity/attraction customization. There's a reason for that. They are trying to imply that there are more decorations than simple prefabricated exterior building toggles, yet all the objects they list are exactly that: prefabricated exterior building toggles.
If you go through all the media they've released thus far (linked in post), you'll see for yourself some of the different preset exterior building options. And you know what? Those presets are made up of: "Tables and chairs, lights, banners and planters". Frontier isn't technically lying, they're being misleading by stretching the truth.
I'm not saying Frontier = bad, only that you can't trust purposely placed words/media alone. They're there for a purpose and it's to try and sell more copies of the game by building hype based on assumptions rather than the truth.
Maybe I'll go about rounding up some images to show everyone exactly what Frontier is referring to by "decorations", but I'd like to think people are observant enough on their own to figure it out based on the links I provided.
I will leave you with this, a tweet by Frontier all but confirming that the "decorations" they're talking about are simply the exterior building toggles (that likely won't even be interacted with by guests if I were to hazard a guess).
I thought that was obvious tbh
Yes, maybe.. but still we know that even their trailers did not match with the JWE 1 so there are some word plays for sure. Maybe they just want to create hype or they just choose their words specially to be not liars later.
I can believe that they can make better dino things for sure but as management I would like to see specific words even SS to know exactly.
I think guests can sit on chairs probably but having alone chairs not connected to the buildings is another thing. Same for the guest management. They could just make "%25 of the guests like to eat steaks and %10 of them happy" and bam you only have some statistic only rather then specific guest interests which you can click.
Those are not hard things even so easy to do this day as there are many examples from same developer. If they don't add those kind of things, JWE 2 would be just a big update patch of JWE 1 with full price. It's like Utopia of Paradox which is 3.0+ version today as all 2.0 and 3.0 changed big things in the game like a new game but still over the same layout.
What part of prerendered trailer do you not understand?
The trailer for JWE was made by a different company. No game in history has ever been 100% accurate to the prerendered release trailers. I am 36 and remember when games used to have really cool looking box art that was nothing like the actual game. Box art was often used to get people to buy the game.
No game in history has ever been anything like trailers and advertisements. Frontier didn't deceive anyone. People went over this again and again in 2018, 2019 and 2020. I will repeat again, no game is ever like the advertisements/trailers.
A trailer however should show what's in the game/movie. A trailer deliberately misleading about the game is dishonest. Just look at Cyberpunk.
Yes you are right about that but this is not something you defend or justify. I am 40 and I know your experience. BUT we are at 2021 and game visuals are nearly at pre-rendered video standards. If I see a Rex attacking a worker at trailer, I expect that in my game. JWE 1 did not give many standard park tycoon aspects and many people disappointed.
Jurassic Park/World series are always about the "danger of dino predators in parks or streets" tension. JWE 1 did not give it. You could send guests or workers into a rex habitat and they were never in danger. They just made some cool kills about guests when they run out but it did not any impact at all so people let dinos do that because of the boredom.
JWE 1 was never about managing a park but having a museum of living dinos which you can just watch them.
For JWE 2, I expect solid evidences so in game footage of what they are promises in those PR sentences.
It will be probably better then JWE 1, but you see, JWE 1 is already a low standard, so just being better than that not good enough.
They are still showing land dinos as few second promotion videos.. I don't know the reason.. Dinos was the best part of the JWE 1 anyway, so more of it already expected.
You should not defend for false advertisement, it's bad.
And about trailers of games:
A museum of living dinos, I like the expression!
A trailer shouldn't be deliberately misleading however.
A video game trailer is really meant to give a potential customer like us a good idea of what the game is like, not an exact replica of what to expect to see or hear every little detail by every little detail. In fact, every AAA game trailer that I've seen does that exact thing, regardless if they're CGI cinematic, or in-engine scripted, or even actual gameplay, including Frontier's non-JWE series game trailers. And, it's not too different of what movie trailers do as well.
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