You can fight all you want, but unless FD makes some changes, it's pretty much pointless by now.
Federal Powers are too weak!
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You can fight all you want, but unless FD makes some changes, it's pretty much pointless by now.
Patreus seems to be an exception, although there's only been one or two cycles (probably one), so saying every week is not really applicable yet. There again, my post is probably too early as well. Anyway, most of that is due to the Adle's Armada, which aimed to undermime every Patreus system. And with Hudson, we hardly have any order anyway, even with the players who use our Hudson sub-Reddit. Clearly lots of players are defying our 'orders' as Goombridge looks to be our most prepared system and we have failed two of our expansions.
He's a half-exception, really. He's the only Imperial Power to see any real Undermining, but he still sees almost 0 Opposition.
This whole post is maybe too early, but i feel it will continue like this. More territory is not a benefit as we have the same (probably less players, if the Reddit user numbers are anything to go by) amount of players to do all the fortifying for all of our systems. We also need to focus on preparing and expanding. Add to that the fact all players can't just focus forever on PowerPlay and must also do their own thing, and time spent not playing, and we really don't have a great deal of time to do everything, due to having more systems. Undermiming comes last in our list of priorities, and we nearly never have time for it.
A bit off-topic from this thread, but I hope that FD will make faction-specific ships linked to Powers. At the minute, lots of Fed supporters have Clippers and/or Couriers, which doesn't feel right. It should be those ships are only buyable in Control systems for those factions (Dropships in Winter's and Hudson's, and Clippers (and Couriers) in all the Empire powers), and only available to supporters of that overall faction. Should you leave, the ship shiuld then be taken from you, until you rejoin. That would then give people a reason to join a Power and maybe actively support it. Also, we can feel proud to show off our ships, as only those in our daction can fly them. When the Corvette is added, i would like this to be the case. Of course, until the Alliance and Independents get their own special ships, this should probably wait.
Finally, to Mahon (Alliance) supporters, how the hell did you manage to move over 41,000 tonnes of preparation from Mullag? We barely managed, with plenty of players spending all they had and even selling modules to fast-track the next delivery, to get to 21,000.
A bit off-topic from this thread, but I hope that FD will make faction-specific ships linked to Powers. At the minute, lots of Fed supporters have Clippers and/or Couriers, which doesn't feel right. It should be those ships are only buyable in Control systems for those factions (Dropships in Winter's and Hudson's, and Clippers (and Couriers) in all the Empire powers), and only available to supporters of that overall faction. Should you leave, the ship shiuld then be taken from you, until you rejoin. That would then give people a reason to join a Power and maybe actively support it. Also, we can feel proud to show off our ships, as only those in our daction can fly them. When the Corvette is added, i would like this to be the case. Of course, until the Alliance and Independents get their own special ships, this should probably wait.
Finally, to Mahon (Alliance) supporters, how the hell did you manage to move over 41,000 tonnes of preparation from Mullag? We barely managed, with plenty of players spending all they had and even selling modules to fast-track the next delivery, to get to 21,000.
Drew
Even if Senator Patrues establish Prism as a Control system, does that only really mean on the space stations we have a Field Office for Patreus's clients to collect and return packages from.
The Minor Factions are unaffected, the same minor factions still run the place.
Just the local corporations have lines of credit through Patreus and thus more malleable to his business needs.
But there is no take over or replacement of the local Government.
Heck reminds me of my own county how the Government is giving concessions for Foreign Oil Companies to conduct exploratory drilling for oil where they shouldn't be, where local companies have been told it is against the law to do the same. We haven't lost our Sovereignty but certainly feels like we are being "exploited" in the real and Power Play sense
Look at Cemiess, still run by the Empire Party, still with the blurb "Imperial Courtiers; This Faction operates as an extension of the Imperial Princess' will. Their number have been recently begun being bolstered by liberated slaves who have chosen to become the Princess' servants in order to repay her from freeing them from bondage" even though exploited by Arrisa de Lavigny.
The Empire Party loyal to HIH Aisling still run the system, but the Security forces are now heavily influenced by the ideas Arrisa de Lavigny exposes perhaps the high ranking ones are her cliens
Sure there will be tensions, but isn't the Empire is built on a Patron Client system, and no where would be monolithic in who why all follow.
Isn't it all about influence, and interconnected politics, a web of favours and kick backs.
Even if Senator Patrues establish Prism as a Control system, does that only really mean on the space stations we have a Field Office for Patreus's clients to collect and return packages from.
The Minor Factions are unaffected, the same minor factions still run the place.
Just the local corporations have lines of credit through Patreus and thus more malleable to his business needs.
But there is no take over or replacement of the local Government.
Heck reminds me of my own county how the Government is giving concessions for Foreign Oil Companies to conduct exploratory drilling for oil where they shouldn't be, where local companies have been told it is against the law to do the same. We haven't lost our Sovereignty but certainly feels like we are being "exploited" in the real and Power Play sense
Look at Cemiess, still run by the Empire Party, still with the blurb "Imperial Courtiers; This Faction operates as an extension of the Imperial Princess' will. Their number have been recently begun being bolstered by liberated slaves who have chosen to become the Princess' servants in order to repay her from freeing them from bondage" even though exploited by Arrisa de Lavigny.
The Empire Party loyal to HIH Aisling still run the system, but the Security forces are now heavily influenced by the ideas Arrisa de Lavigny exposes perhaps the high ranking ones are her cliens
Sure there will be tensions, but isn't the Empire is built on a Patron Client system, and no where would be monolithic in who why all follow.
Isn't it all about influence, and interconnected politics, a web of favours and kick backs.
Time and time again the Feds go for each others throats, or they want to min-max, or they give up when the going gets tough (Lugh). Imperial loyalty is a powerful thing.
That's a really imaginative way to get around the fact that the Imperial factions simply have a way, way easier time in Powerplay due to their position and sheer numbers. We've had clear, powerful, undeniable and continuing Empire favouritism from day one on part of FD, and people still act as if it's some amazing feat of skill and loyalty that the Empire is doing well in PP. It's mind-boggling.
This isn't just a Federal concern, anyway. I'm with Antal, and I think a situation where the Imperial powers have the majority of players on their side and don't fight each other is simply boring as hell. FD simply must rethink some PP mechanics, and revamp some Powers with useless perks and bonuses (for example Winters).
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This. I agree with this.
Wait until the Emperor dies and all 4 Imperial Powers are no considered being under the same Faction.
hm.. Could this possibly be a thing? the empire splits into 4 kingdoms and is left fractured and at the mercy of the federation?
How would that be for Empire favoritism.
As far as players not fighting amonst themselves in the empire i can personally say that is .
As stated Patreus is Gettign grinded into dust... Assuming Utopian inst the first to crumble Patreus will be. EVERY SINGLE CONTROLED SYSTEMED undermind. Lavingy even Broke into Patrues' space. Patreus may not face the numbers that hudson does, But he is much less stable at the moment anyway.. Patrues has Minimal supporters. and cant seem to wiin any manor. last i checked their exspantion effort succeed. but thats their only success.. Heck they are so limp wristed right now they cant even counter attack Lavigny.
Almost makes me feel bad i Left patreus for zemina.
If ALD was htting Patreus we would have stopped him taking Wangal, which is now his control system.
He faced 0 opposition there.
The 3 independents and 2 fed factions are closest to him, they are the ones doing the undermining.
Its basically 15 times harder to undermine the same faction right now.
I understand what you're saying, but Kahina has the same rank in the Empire as Patreus. Senators have responsibility for specific systems (or groups of systems) and they take their power from their patrons and their citizens by a cliens system. These 'Power' characters are overriding system ownership, it is an aggressive take over and the nature of the system will change as a result, thus the 'powers' have a uniquely privileged position in 'lore'.
Cheers,
Drew.
That would be an interesting way to handle things. I am a bit concerned that FD is taking this long to address the situation (and buff some Powers with useless perks), but I imagine they must have been stretched thing with bugfixing, E3, XB1 version and the CQC reveal.
I really do not see this. I mean most players are going to go with whatever faction provides the best rewards in players eyes. Right now the Empire just seems to have more to offer a player what with ships, design of ships, etc. etc...as compared to all the other factions. So regardless of faction one will most likely seek out whoever or whatever brings the greatest benefit to oneself regardless of political or philisophical leanings. Once the Fed comes out with better or "cooler" (lets face it, people will join just on looks) looking ships I say you will start to see more Feds and defections to them. Alliance really is the forgotten one here. They basically offer nothing.
Speaking as an American and those I play with (also American, a few Canadian) we identify more with Alliance then Empire or Fed on the political and philisophical aspect of the game. Remember never judge the people by their political leaders. Politicians are the absolute worst way to gauge simply cause they will say and do just about anything to secure their power and/or the next vote. To bad too, some of them do not start out that way, but sadly become so.
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So...perhaps there's still a way back from this. Would Kahina ever ask Arissa for help? Could there be a side-goal for Arissa's pledges to head on over to Prism and liberate it on Kahina's behalf? I think it goes without saying that as things stand, Arissa's intervention would wipe Patreus from the system pretty quickly.
Maybe even a combat CG to give Patreus a bloody nose...?
So what you're saying is that by countering FD's favouritism with more favouritism by simply getting FD to pick and choose Arissa for Kahina to ask for help that fixes the entire mess? You're not going to solve Kahina's arbitrary exclusion by getting FD to stick in and start arbitrarily messing around the existing Powers. It's out in the world now. Like a book, you just gotta let the readers read and the players play and everyone will make of it what they will.
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You may be right here, the cooler toys could do a lot to draw in some players. I suspect after week 4 we'll see some defections when people get their hands on new weapons and shields.
I view the alliance more as a Europe with its seperate countries rather than America its with seperate states.
You also say to ignore the leaders but it's kind of hard when they are evil Republican stereotype and liberal Democrat stereotype.
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Federation commanders,
It is true we are under siege from the Empire, they have huge support and their followers deeply believe in the glory of the Emperor. Most likely we will continue to see losses over the coming weeks.
The organisation they have shown in these first few weeks far outclasses what we have done - just look at the Hudson sub reddit and then the Torval one and you will see.
Do we need frontier to step in and rebalance things - absolutely not.
What we need to do is organise and fight for the Federation if we value it at all.
The challenge we face is huge and seems almost unacheivable but that commanders will only make our victory all the more sweet.
Join the Hudson sub reddit if you can and let's start getting organised, we need strategists who can identify the top priorities and get them clearly posted on there for all to follow. We need commanders who can carry out these orders in the name of the Federation.
Together we can be the strongest force this galaxy has ever seen but apart we will wither and die.
Fight on commanders and God speed to you all.
It is true we are under siege from the Empire, they have huge support and their followers deeply believe in the glory of the Emperor. Most likely we will continue to see losses over the coming weeks.
The organisation they have shown in these first few weeks far outclasses what we have done - just look at the Hudson sub reddit and then the Torval one and you will see.
Do we need frontier to step in and rebalance things - absolutely not.
What we need to do is organise and fight for the Federation if we value it at all.
The challenge we face is huge and seems almost unacheivable but that commanders will only make our victory all the more sweet.
Join the Hudson sub reddit if you can and let's start getting organised, we need strategists who can identify the top priorities and get them clearly posted on there for all to follow. We need commanders who can carry out these orders in the name of the Federation.
Together we can be the strongest force this galaxy has ever seen but apart we will wither and die.
Fight on commanders and God speed to you all.
The Torval subreddit is genuinely just sad to view. There's no real community there or anything, basically just EIC telling people what to do. I'd rather Pranav Antal disappeared than turned into something like that.