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[S3B4ST13N]

Any reason why the mining feedback has been delayed and none of the others? a little bit more info would be nice. Coming from a fan of mining this news was disappointing to say the least.

Indeed; not a fan of Frontier's sparseness of details in their communique's.
Instead of "Mining discussion delayed. /EndOfDiscussion" it doesn't hurt to instead say: "We're delaying the Focused Feedback on Mining due to Sam and co still working out some kinks with the PowerPlay and Squadrons feedback we've received. After that, we'll do X, then Y and provide a new schedule date for the Mining discussion closer to the time."

Using a more open style of communication actually has an overall positive impact on the community; makes the company seem less impersonal.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

If they would allow the player base to directly work with FDev in terms of actual testers from a selected group of players that have in depth knowledge of the game in their respective parts (mining, exploration, powerplay, etc.) then they' d get the feedback they need instead of a mass of unexperienced palyers that really don't know fully what the balancing is made of.
Furthermore, they could directly use the results from these players and implement it right away. That said, players are the best testers as they have the most gametime compared to devs and do not know the concepts behind it.

Back in the early Alpha/Beta days of the original development... I had hoped that all major updates (and releases) would have a proper Closed Group Beta tests using specific groups of testers* (i.e., those that were involved in the original Alpha/Beta stages with special invites to various groups/players) rather than the 'open it up to everyone' mess that happens now.

* I was under the impression that that was all part of the original Kickstarter as well?

It seems that a lot of those that jump in to the new Beta releases just want to see what they can get/do rather than do actual testing to make sure everything works as designed.

But... that is away from the main point of this thread.


On subject: Mining FF being delayed is a real kicker. I'd expect it to put back the Exploration/Codex one as well (only three weeks away) - unless they skip mining altogether and and go straight on to the Exploration with Mining coming sometime after that

 

[XCNuse]

IMO, it isn't really focused feedback when we have no clue what on earth the original intent is anyways.....

I don't know what you'd call this.

"We can't solve the problems for some reason, so we'll ask the community how they think it should work instead."
It's a very pathetic approach and clear even they have severe ADHD since Braben's Kickstarter.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Slightly?

Frontier isn't getting any money at least from me until they deserve it, in the meantime once my expedition is over I'm walking away from the game until further notice.

It's stupid too.

So many people want to shove their wallets down Frontier's throats, but they are acting like a child and turning their head away because of who the hell knows why, so yeah.

unsatisfying? More like being completely stupid. Mistakes left and right. ing off customers left and right. Not saying a word anywhere, which is only making more people walk away because we have LITERALLY no information on what the next update is, or when we'll even get it, because "sooner than you think" is gone in everyone's books at this point in time.

Regardless, the fact that a development team in this day and age is not saying the next patch is, is dooming to themselves.

Sorry Frontier, you're doing this to yourselves. It isn't a case of "it isn't you, it's me" because it's definitely you.

It's literally DAYS away from being the middle of the year, and we have literally ZERO information on what this year gives, and yall are asking what the update for the end of the year is supposed to be?
Anyone that doesn't realize that this means they haven't even begun to work on it is out of their mind.

4 updates.
6 months into the year, and we have one update, which they didn't complete because they said they wouldn't fix some things until the second patch.... so yeah. Technically still with an incomplete Q1 patch.

And no information on what will actually come for any of the next 3 updates, particularly because now FDev has <6 months, and are going to spend the next month asking HOW the customer base seems to think all of these parts of the game should be updated, which means they'll be down to 5 months of actually doing it, plus another who knows what patch in the middle somewhere...

Lol, looking at their track record they aren stupid, you just fail to understand tgat for everyone feeling like you do others may feel the opposite.

 

[NeilF]

This is very unfortunate news. I really hope this does not push back the exploration reveal date.

I don't care when the Mining and Exploration reveal is... As long as it reveals some inventive, imaginative, inspired, bar raising content at long long long last....

 

[Mengy]

I never thought I'll see the day where FDev understands that money comes from multiplayer games these days, not single-player and they'll start prioritizing former over the latter.

God of War and Skyrim disagree with you, as do countless other single player games.

 

[XCNuse]

Lol, looking at their track record they aren stupid, you just fail to understand tgat for everyone feeling like you do others may feel the opposite.

Well, their playerbase for Elite is trending down otherwise.

Feel as you wish, but the active playerbase has a harsh downtrend, and it's hardly just me when the top youtubers are getting upset with FDev as well, which will trend the community over time, or kill it off when they move on.

Think of the damage that will occur if someone like Obsidian straight up stopped making videos about Elite....

 

[Han Zulu]

Well, their playerbase for Elite is trending down otherwise.

Feel as you wish, but the active playerbase has a harsh downtrend, and it's hardly just me when the top youtubers are getting upset with FDev as well, which will trend the community over time, or kill it off when they move on.

Think of the damage that will occur if someone like Obsidian straight up stopped making videos about Elite....

Yeah. Looking at the player statistics on steam, it's dropping consistently now the last couple of months.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to quickly update you on the upcoming Focused Feedback threads.

Unfortunately, we have to delay the Mining Focused Feedback thread that was intended for May 28th. We don't have a current date for when the thread will be posted but we will update the main thread with a new date as soon as we can.

In the meantime, we are still collecting feedback on Squadrons and Powerplay proposals and look forward to hearing any additional thoughts on those topics!

Can you tell us if mining will be Open only, or will it still be available in solo/pg? Do we have to wait on the feedback thread for confirmation?

 

[Han Zulu]

Can you tell us if mining will be Open only, or will it still be available in solo/pg?

Sure hope not. Having PP in open makes sense to me, but to remove mining from PvE player who play in Solo mode would be really bad. So I don't think that will happen.

 

[rootsrat]

Can you tell us if mining will be Open only, or will it still be available in solo/pg? Do we have to wait on the feedback thread for confirmation?

Seriously, stop.

They have already confirmed NOTHING apart from Power Play is proposed to be Open only. And even the Power Play is just a proposal at this point.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Seriously, stop.

They have already confirmed NOTHING apart from Power Play is proposed to be Open only. And even the Power Play is just a proposal at this point.

The modes were said to be nothing more than interaction filters. Now they are game content filters as well as interaction filters. So this is a valid question. In the powerplay AMA, it was sold as being available in solo so there are no guarantees now that other features might not be changed to Open only.

BTW, you're not the boss of me

 

[rootsrat]

The modes were said to be nothing more than interaction filters. Now they are game content filters as well as interaction filters. So this is a valid question. In the powerplay AMA, it was sold as being available in solo so there are no guarantees now that other features might not be changed to Open only.

BTW, you're not the boss of me

No, I'm not but your question was already answered multiple times by the developers and it seems that you're aware of that.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

No, I'm not but your question was already answered multiple times by the developers and it seems that you're aware of that.

Well, as I said, PP was advertised from the beginning as available in solo and now that’s changed. So I guess when the developer answers a question, the answer is not always set in stone, right? It’s worth getting their current opinion multiple times. Apparently that’s required now.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Your question is valid but should be directed to the devs, not to rootsrat. He's just an admin.

If you look back, my original question was a quoted reply to Will Flanagan.

 

[rootsrat]

Your question is valid but should be directed to the devs, not to rootsrat. He's just an admin.

I'm not even that

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Then you can hope he's reading and pass it down to the devs. He's part of the team but no developer. Unfortunately, we never get any feedback into our direction which leaves the whole sentiment as pure speculation...

I’m hoping that community managers and forum posters from the company are indeed passing it down to the developers. Or are you suggesting that Mr. Flanagan is only communicating one way (to us)? That would be tragic.

 

[Allin]

Look at my sig.

Ok, so I'll prove you wrong and let's see if you'll change your mind in a wink.

You previously gave me examples of amazing single player games and that they still hold the prime over mmo (a dying dinosaurs as you said).

How come then TWO BIGGEST GAMES IN THE WORLD that generated more money than EVERY title combined you mentioned are actually multiplayer ONLY games. Not to mention the microtransactions market flourishes in multiplayer. So, I never said this means the mmo games are BETTER. I said they are more business sound because they can be milked much more and that's why Frontier does 180' and suddenly delays what is no-profit expansion to favor... mmo part of the game.

So, I say you either missed my point or you are talking nonsense as numbers indicate without doubt.

 

[Rick Bravo]

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to quickly update you on the upcoming Focused Feedback threads.

Unfortunately, we have to delay the Mining Focused Feedback thread that was intended for May 28th. We don't have a current date for when the thread will be posted but we will update the main thread with a new date as soon as we can.

In the meantime, we are still collecting feedback on Squadrons and Powerplay proposals and look forward to hearing any additional thoughts on those topics!

Will,

regarding the powerplay changes, once you gather all the feedback, how long before you guys decide what you will do and implement the changes?

thanks

 

[Allin]

You are talking popularity. Sorry when I can't follow this mindset. You know, it's the 1 million flies can't be wrong thing...

or in other words, if popularity would ever have a meaning then have a look at political leaders currently and in the past. Make your own mind up from here.

Nobody asks you to follow any mindset. What your mindset has to do with it? You said my argument was wrong (because there are popular single player games). I was not saying that MMO games are better and million flies can't be wrong. I was saying frontier is switching focus to multiplayer because that's where the money are. And YES, you gave the best counter argument to your own words. Because of the popularity you can get out of it. I gave you the example of games that are mmo and are earning hundreds of times more and considering that Frontier is a business THAT IS their focus, not your opinion.

So, stop with your "make your own mind up from there" strawman, because that has nothing to do with what I've said. Nobody asks you to agree with it and say this is the right thing to do but stop making up things I didn't say. And funny enough this is AGAIN a counter argument to your words. Millions flies might be wrong but as long as they will be paying the dish will be served brown and steamy.

And change your signature, seems you are not that keen on giving up when you have nothing to counter with.