Definately not in line!!
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Formidine Rift... what is it?
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Here are 2 place very close to the line using that formula (which changes the meaning of Y coord half way through - undserstandable). 1st one "close" to Heart Nebula to show how far off that theory is. 2nd is waaaaaaay out on the rim. Pray you dont have to go this far.
X Y Z
-5320, 48.75, -4148.6639 GLUDGOE YD-K D8-95
-15330, 48.75, -11984.54195 DRYEAE AEB GY-Z C13-0
X Y Z
-5320, 48.75, -4148.6639 GLUDGOE YD-K D8-95
-15330, 48.75, -11984.54195 DRYEAE AEB GY-Z C13-0
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Here's an image of coords going by the X coord by every 1000 ly. Gives a simple direction of the line
I have always found the history of North Africa to be fascinating especially the part about The Kahina. (one of the reasons I enjoyed Drews book)
Here are some excerpts from a book that talks about (in part) the Umayyad invasion of North Africa:
Here are some excerpts from a book that talks about (in part) the Umayyad invasion of North Africa:
The Kahina
"This lady living in the Aures Mountains was a Kahina. She had these uncanny powers to a remarkable degree, being both clairvoyant and telepathic, and was also a priestess, but more than an ordinary priestess. She was a spiritual leader of the Berbers, and since she combined this spiritual position with the political authority of a queen, it would be more accurate to refer to her as High Priestess. Muslim historians call her the Kahina.
She was Duhya bin Tabta bin Neiqan of the clan Jarawa. The Jarawa were a princely clan of the very large tribe of Zannata, part of which lived in the Maghreb and had saved Uqba by falling upon his enemies. This lady ruled as Queen of the Jarawa in the Aures Mountains and was the High Priestess generally of all Berbers. She also had a fortress of Al Jamm, 40 miles south of Sousa, in which many years before she had been besieged by her enemies but had survived and won. "
The battle of Miskiana
"… On the following day was fought one of the fiercest battles between the Muslims and the Berbers … The High Priestess showed no mercy. She took blood revenge for all the Berber blood shed by the Muslims in previous battles. Towards evening Hassaan broke contact and retreated, leaving a large number of Muslim dead on the battlefield. The part of the Valley of Miskiana where this battle was fought became known, for some odd reason, as Wadi-ul-Azara (Valley of Virgins)…. It was the only defeat suffered by the Muslims at the hands of the Berbers in a large scale battle, and it was a very bloody one."
Death
After conducting a scorched earth policy to keep the Arabs out … she looses support at home and the Muslims invade again and defeat her .. she dies during the battle and “The place where she fell came to be known as 'The Well of the Kahina'.”
The Muslim Conquest of Egypt and North Africa
Lieutenant General A.I. Akram
pp. 268-276
"This lady living in the Aures Mountains was a Kahina. She had these uncanny powers to a remarkable degree, being both clairvoyant and telepathic, and was also a priestess, but more than an ordinary priestess. She was a spiritual leader of the Berbers, and since she combined this spiritual position with the political authority of a queen, it would be more accurate to refer to her as High Priestess. Muslim historians call her the Kahina.
She was Duhya bin Tabta bin Neiqan of the clan Jarawa. The Jarawa were a princely clan of the very large tribe of Zannata, part of which lived in the Maghreb and had saved Uqba by falling upon his enemies. This lady ruled as Queen of the Jarawa in the Aures Mountains and was the High Priestess generally of all Berbers. She also had a fortress of Al Jamm, 40 miles south of Sousa, in which many years before she had been besieged by her enemies but had survived and won. "
The battle of Miskiana
"… On the following day was fought one of the fiercest battles between the Muslims and the Berbers … The High Priestess showed no mercy. She took blood revenge for all the Berber blood shed by the Muslims in previous battles. Towards evening Hassaan broke contact and retreated, leaving a large number of Muslim dead on the battlefield. The part of the Valley of Miskiana where this battle was fought became known, for some odd reason, as Wadi-ul-Azara (Valley of Virgins)…. It was the only defeat suffered by the Muslims at the hands of the Berbers in a large scale battle, and it was a very bloody one."
Death
After conducting a scorched earth policy to keep the Arabs out … she looses support at home and the Muslims invade again and defeat her .. she dies during the battle and “The place where she fell came to be known as 'The Well of the Kahina'.”
The Muslim Conquest of Egypt and North Africa
Lieutenant General A.I. Akram
pp. 268-276
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| X | Y | ||
| 0,00 | 15,86 | WISE JO521+1025 | |
| -1.000,00 | -766,95 | WREDGUIA XT-Z B 13-0 | |
| -2.000,00 | -1.549,75 | OUTORST NN-S C17-1 | |
| -3.000,00 | -2.332,56 | OUTORDY VM-Y B1 | |
| -4.000,00 | -3.115,36 | HEGAA BF-I B23-8 | |
| -5.000,00 | -3.898,17 | NGC 663 SECTOR FK-S B19-2 | |
| -6.000,00 | -4.680,97 | GLUDGOE NV-G B10-0 | next to heart&soul nebula |
| -7.000,00 | -5.463,78 | HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1 | behind heart&soul nebula |
| -8.000,00 | -6.246,58 | PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0 | edge of the rift |
| -9.000,00 | -7.029,39 | PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0 | inside the rift |
| -10.000,00 | -7.812,19 | HYPO AEB VP-G D10-9 | outer arm |
| -11.000,00 | -8.595,00 | SCHAFEAU DX-N B6-0 | |
| -12.000,00 | -9.377,80 | DRYAEA AIL NV-V B29-1 | |
| -13.000,00 | -10.160,61 | GRAEH KR-C C26-11 | |
| -14.000,00 | -10.943,41 | GRAEH ND-K C8-1 | |
| -15.000,00 | -11.726,22 | DRYEAE AEB QZ-O C19-1 | outer edge, probably unreachable |
| -16.000,00 | -12.509,02 | DRYO AEB NG-Y D1 | outer edge, probably unreachable |
| -17.000,00 | -13.291,83 | no stars | |
| -18.000,00 | -14.074,63 | no stars | |
| -19.000,00 | -14.857,44 | no stars | |
| -20.000,00 | -15.640,24 | no stars |
Kahina is one of the prophets in the wormhole?
The rift is between the alpha and gamma quadrants?
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I don't know if I love this mystery, or hate it because it's been driving me nuts...
I see a lot of clues, but not a single answer to them! Why is it a clue that Formidine translates to fear? What is the significance of the meaning of the name Kahina? And Salomé? Huh, I don't know...
What are we really looking for? I suppose the rift has been identified, or is it just speculation? But that's not really what we're looking for, right? But something in the rift, or on the other side?
Is Salomé the one who can find it, and the problem is she's been travelling across the core with the DW expedition? I dunno... but since whatever there is to be found is supposed to have been there from the start, that's probably not relevant.
:S <- How I feel about this right now.
Ah well, sorry for the stupid questions and not contributing anything constructive, just had to write something.
I see a lot of clues, but not a single answer to them! Why is it a clue that Formidine translates to fear? What is the significance of the meaning of the name Kahina? And Salomé? Huh, I don't know...
What are we really looking for? I suppose the rift has been identified, or is it just speculation? But that's not really what we're looking for, right? But something in the rift, or on the other side?
Is Salomé the one who can find it, and the problem is she's been travelling across the core with the DW expedition? I dunno... but since whatever there is to be found is supposed to have been there from the start, that's probably not relevant.
:S <- How I feel about this right now.Ah well, sorry for the stupid questions and not contributing anything constructive, just had to write something.
Tinfoiling up:
I was thinking about the general meaning of the "rift", now is that a singularity that can occur in a "river" or "ocean"?
What if we think of the the milkyway as a big ocean, every spiral arm is a "river" right?
Is there a spiral arm with an anomaly, having an area without stars towards the core?
Is there a sector in the game lore where a lot of ships vanished, like the "bermuda triangle"?
Can the meaning of "rift" elaborate to a section of space "below" the known galaxy (dark wheel/alternate galaxy theory)?
I was thinking about the general meaning of the "rift", now is that a singularity that can occur in a "river" or "ocean"?
What if we think of the the milkyway as a big ocean, every spiral arm is a "river" right?
Is there a spiral arm with an anomaly, having an area without stars towards the core?
Is there a sector in the game lore where a lot of ships vanished, like the "bermuda triangle"?
Can the meaning of "rift" elaborate to a section of space "below" the known galaxy (dark wheel/alternate galaxy theory)?
Hi all,
this seems really interesting. If it is Raxxla hidden in the rift it would be cool!
This is probably wrong or have been covered before but this is my 2 pence worth: -
The core of the problem -
we dont know what we are looking for really. We have clues as to where - RR line gives direction, formidine rift gives a name and approximate area of space. Perhaps also an indication as to the nature of that spatial area (rift-y!). Literal definition - split, crack, break in something. so the general consensus of the gap between arms near heart and soul nebula seems ok if we accept the literal meaning. The fear of this area also literal - lack of fuel seems logical too.
It also seems fair to assume that the puzzle needent be more complex than that given the issue - we dont know WHAT to find.
we need the name/category of the needle in the proverbial haystack.
Here is my thought about this. It is very probably wrong: -
7 veils = 7 scoopable star types. the other types are far far more numerous and common - hence in a sea of stars the O class veiled by the other 6.
O class is the Rarest and largest of these (wikipedia said estimated number in milkyway at 10,000-20,000!. I found only 2 in the rift in the area of RR line (roughly).
Worth looking at? I would go and check but im in the bubble pottering around. and figure one of you chaps would beat me to it anyway. :-((
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This is much too simplistic given the insane level of challenge of the UA puzzle with morsecode etc. so im 99% sure im wrong
this seems really interesting. If it is Raxxla hidden in the rift it would be cool!
This is probably wrong or have been covered before but this is my 2 pence worth: -
The core of the problem -
we dont know what we are looking for really. We have clues as to where - RR line gives direction, formidine rift gives a name and approximate area of space. Perhaps also an indication as to the nature of that spatial area (rift-y!). Literal definition - split, crack, break in something. so the general consensus of the gap between arms near heart and soul nebula seems ok if we accept the literal meaning. The fear of this area also literal - lack of fuel seems logical too.
It also seems fair to assume that the puzzle needent be more complex than that given the issue - we dont know WHAT to find.
we need the name/category of the needle in the proverbial haystack.
Here is my thought about this. It is very probably wrong: -
7 veils = 7 scoopable star types. the other types are far far more numerous and common - hence in a sea of stars the O class veiled by the other 6.
O class is the Rarest and largest of these (wikipedia said estimated number in milkyway at 10,000-20,000!. I found only 2 in the rift in the area of RR line (roughly).
Worth looking at? I would go and check but im in the bubble pottering around. and figure one of you chaps would beat me to it anyway. :-((
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This is much too simplistic given the insane level of challenge of the UA puzzle with morsecode etc. so im 99% sure im wrong
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Two ways to solve this. With brains or with brawn.
So far the brains approach hasn't produced a result (and if we are right in interpreting Drew that it has been possible to get to the right system since launch, its over a year now), so perhaps what could be tried is a brawn approach.
Perhaps when Distant Worlds are back, it might be worth trying to do something similar. Get 1000 CMDRs flying along the Reorte-Riediquat line, plot waypoints close together once the first gap is reached and keep going until people can't go any further.
There might need to be some conditions. What did Drew really mean by "who" is searching. A lot of people think that it means you would need a certain ship. Somehow permit locked. But if we could find a single system that couldn't be entered by some out there, but certain ships could... then it would mean we have found it.
From what i understand, there are no permit sectors along the line, and finding a single permit system even just by looking would be like a needle in a haystack.
Big question is, how reliable is that R-R line? Is it nearly exact? Or is there a wide margin? Would even 1000 CMDRs stand a good chance if following the line?
So far the brains approach hasn't produced a result (and if we are right in interpreting Drew that it has been possible to get to the right system since launch, its over a year now), so perhaps what could be tried is a brawn approach.
Perhaps when Distant Worlds are back, it might be worth trying to do something similar. Get 1000 CMDRs flying along the Reorte-Riediquat line, plot waypoints close together once the first gap is reached and keep going until people can't go any further.
There might need to be some conditions. What did Drew really mean by "who" is searching. A lot of people think that it means you would need a certain ship. Somehow permit locked. But if we could find a single system that couldn't be entered by some out there, but certain ships could... then it would mean we have found it.
From what i understand, there are no permit sectors along the line, and finding a single permit system even just by looking would be like a needle in a haystack.
Big question is, how reliable is that R-R line? Is it nearly exact? Or is there a wide margin? Would even 1000 CMDRs stand a good chance if following the line?
Fairly sure it is going to require brute force.
Economy Routes in the target area, scanning every body and keeping an eye out for PPOI on the Nav Panel.
Not for the faint hearted. Makes DWE look like a walk in the park.
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dynamicbob
Banned
crowd sourcing of searching that aspect of space. it will soon pay off.
I was just poking around to see if rift was a term or name used in astronomy, and there is an example of such (Wikipedia, of course!):
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While I agree, a coordinated search is not reasonable. Logging the searched systems is fine (for some), but checking that log for places to search is not reasonable (for many)
If we had a db of all the systems and coordinates that we could divy out, it might be a different story, but given the data access we have (always after the fact), it going to be many many people wandering pretty aimlessly, duplicating effort all over the place.
Ian Phillips
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When we (FGE) mapped out the Regor bubble, what worked well was simply registering the systems in EDdiscovery. You could see all the registered systems, and if everyone was doing it as they went, it showed an almost real time map of what had been explored.
There was almost zero overlap of effort.
dynamicbob
Banned
that said have u noticed key systems (NGC 6753 nebula and sag A) the more visited destinations spawn more signal sources than those 100ly either side that have no traffic or very mimimal. So having more commanders visiting key systems out there has an impact on the background sim, which i think over time spawns more something in the BGS and leads to more signal sources in systems.
But i agree not everyone uses ED DIscovery even though it is a very good platform. I think reducing overlap is an admirable outcome, but controlling every commander and where they visit might be a little more difficult so ill advise the guys in my group as best i can.
I've not read the book yet. Getting it this weekend. I have a few question if I may.
Is kahina salome?
If so...and she's left the seven veils (clipper) stripped of parts and been seen heading towards the "core" by the distant world's expedition in an asp, could this be a clue to follow the R-R line the other way?
And could she be the "who" in Drew's comment?
Sorry if you guys have been over this already.
Is kahina salome?
If so...and she's left the seven veils (clipper) stripped of parts and been seen heading towards the "core" by the distant world's expedition in an asp, could this be a clue to follow the R-R line the other way?
And could she be the "who" in Drew's comment?
Sorry if you guys have been over this already.
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