Frontier discusses walking in ships in Dev Plan

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I think they do, because it turned what was private public, and FD have been drug through broken glass re all the very painful changes (Mac Client, no offline etc). Without KS they'd have a much more sedate schedule with much less vitriol.

All that may be true but no one forced them to do it. They could have risked all their own money or got a publisher to do it and never tipped their hand to us.
It's not like the company is not doing really well so I doubt David Braben is to worried about how things panned out and as we are constantly told FD are under no legal obligation to do anything.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Well, yeah, I guess if they had had the money, they wouldn't have kickstarted. But was no KS ever an option, I mean was it either to do the game with KS or not at all (asking because honestly I don't know, I didn't really follow the project that closely back then)? Seems a bit pointless to regret KS if there would be no game without it.

The main purpose of the kickstarter was to get an idea of the amount of interest there might be for a new game. Bear in mind that "space games" as a genre had been out of the mainstream for probably 20 years at the time the kickstarter was launched.

 

[Arindor]

I doubt they regret the KS, but lifetime expansion passes are definitely a foolish decision from any company.

For me, spending £100 on the PB + LEP was a financial risk at the time as there was no guarantee ED would be released. So I see the LEP as a reward for my having faith in the project.

Although feeling let down at every release is another thing though!

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I've always thought of KS as being a gamble, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You might get the things you want, you might not.

 

[Juniper]

You think the dev diaries from the Kickstarter era have even the slightest relevance now?

That's adorable.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Well, yeah, I guess if they had had the money, they wouldn't have kickstarted. But was no KS ever an option, I mean was it either to do the game with KS or not at all (asking because honestly I don't know, I didn't really follow the project that closely back then)? Seems a bit pointless to regret KS if there would be no game without it.

From what I understand FD had a KS failure plan mapped out as well.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Btw, I think this is the third thread I've seen that kicks off with this video.

 

[Linnunrata]

So I see the LEP as a reward for having kept faith in the project.

Yeah, I thought more from the corporate perspective it isn't necessarily smart to give open ended promises of content when you could just have some sort of cap clause there.

I remember back in the day how Minecraft author Notch used to sell his little game with a promise that everyone buying will have free updates and content adds forever - then he went corporate and the first thing the lawyers told him was that you can't do that.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Liquid Malibu or three dimensional Malibu? I am antiquated with the formers golden shores...

Either would be nice, but I'm familiar with the type you are as well

 

[Rubbernuke]

Either would be nice, but I'm familiar with the type you are as well

Ah swhear ict hic wash the sphelchekah offeshah wobbles into wall

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

7 years ago

 

[Rubbernuke]

This makes me feel old. My two children are younger than the game!

 

[starman]

I was a KS backer and early adopter from 84. We kept the dream alive.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

This makes me feel old. My two children are younger than the game!

Hahahaha! Oh the fun coming your way! I don't envy it. Thankfully I'm at that stage in the parenting game where I am the one concerning them, not the one concerned about them. There is already talk of putting me in a home. I keep telling them, as long as it has a good medicine trolley, bring it on.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Hahahaha! Oh the fun coming your way! I don't envy it. Thankfully I'm at that stage in the parenting game where I am the one concerning them, not the one concerned about them. There is already talk of putting me in a home. I keep telling them, as long as it has a good medicine trolley, bring it on.

I made a pact with my wife- I'd deal with the poo, wee and sick and she deals with the 'emotions'. So when they come running home with issues I can legally point to mother and dodge the 'person x is a y' talk.

 

[B1rdy]

I think they do, because it turned what was private public, and FD have been drug through broken glass re all the very painful changes (Mac Client, no offline etc). Without KS they'd have a much more sedate schedule with much less vitriol.

If you (need) to borrow money, you are always under some form of obligation, be it "kickstarters" or publishers.

You think the dev diaries from the Kickstarter era have even the slightest relevance now?

That's adorable.

Do you think misleading your customers is relevant?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I made a pact with my wife- I'd deal with the poo, wee and sick and she deals with the 'emotions'. So when they come running home with issues I can legally point to mother and dodge the 'person x is a y' talk.

HAHAHAHA! Oh the fun coming you're way, you think pacts last. I don't envy you etc etc etc.

Truthfully though and wildly off topic, I found with kids that from day one they take up an amount of space in your head. Lets say as babies they present 10 main issues. Throughout their lives they continue to only ever present 10 main issues, it is just with age, the issues become more complex and sophisticated.

 

[Linnunrata]

If you (need) to borrow money, you are always under some form of obligation, be it "kickstarters" or publishers.

Admittedly banks and investors are easier in a sense that it is enough for them if you turn out profit/can repay, and they won't post seven year old dev diaries in board room meetings.

 

[Rubbernuke]

HAHAHAHA! Oh the fun coming you're way, you think pacts last. I don't envy you etc etc etc.

Truthfully though and wildly off topic, I found with kids that from day one they take up an amount of space in your head. Lets say as babies they present 10 main issues. Throughout their lives they continue to only ever present 10 main issues, it is just with age, the issues become more complex and sophisticated.

Its held so far! As a man I'm not set up to deal with girl issues- socially its too complex for me. I like to keep the debugging menu for the kinder nice and short

 

[Bottom Hat]

I made a pact with my wife- I'd deal with the poo, wee and sick and she deals with the 'emotions'. So when they come running home with issues I can legally point to mother and dodge the 'person x is a y' talk.

I can see the attraction to this argument and approach lol!