Frontier - Enough Shoulder Shrugging - Get Tough on Exploits and Exploiters.

[Shar]

Combat logging = cowardice, in the context of a game its pritty pethetic. Combat loggers dont bother me much personally as i take it as a huge win when they panic and disapear.

Elite is a game, games need rules and the admistration of those rules need to be enforced. this is very basic common sense stuff folks. but dont expect the cheats to agree because they are cheats for those that defend combat logging....well i guess on the internet there is no shame.

 

[Arvel Yael]

I don't use exploits myself, I put in a few hours a night so the credits are rolling in nicely without them .
But I'm more bothered about the idea of some third party policing my game than someone I've never met and will never interact with getting lots of money due to some bug.

 

[STARB0YY]

Combat logging = cowardice, in the context of a game its pritty pethetic. Combat loggers dont bother me much personally as i take it as a huge win when they panic and disapear.

Elite is a game, games need rules and the admistration of those rules need to be enforced. this is very basic common sense stuff folks. but dont expect the cheats to agree because they are cheats for those that defend combat logging....well i guess on the internet there is no shame.

Yeah it should definitely be taken as a win, it's a really desperate and pathetic reaction. It's just so unfortunate they all seemingly get away with it. Completely messes PvP piracy up, piracy is based all on intimidation, you run you die. Well with the current state of the game it's more like you run you combat log 70% of the time.

 

[Lucifer Hate]

They've never come out and condemned it as a cheat, but they have stated it's not how the modes were intended to be used, and it's very obviously a silly, gamist, approach to things.

actually quite the opposite they said mode switching is not an exploit. Easiest way to fix mode switching is a different BGS and save for every mode. Problem solved

 

[BL1P]

actually quite the opposite they said mode switching is not an exploit. Easiest way to fix mode switching is a different BGS and save for every mode. Problem solved

Actually it is an exploit which Fdev do not consider bad enough to punish for.

The devs cannot change the definition of the word exploit.
It was either created with that intention or it wasn't.
What the Devs could do and have, is decide if they want to remove and/or punish for the exploits that are found.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" springs to mind.

 

[Theodrid]

Actually it is an exploit which Fdev do not consider bad enough to punish for.

The devs cannot change the definition of the word exploit.
It was either created with that intention or it wasn't.
What the Devs could do and have, is decide if they want to remove and/or punish for the exploits that are found.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" springs to mind.

Very well said mate, have to be a virtual plus one for now.

 

[Hooplah]

So the game is totally infected with exploits or so the OP would have one believe. Where is this big list of current exploits to justify the premise? Since the OP stated that everyone knows about them then why not post them? No facts for support then no validity to the argument. Until then this is just another misinformation thread.

 

[Mole HD]

Totally off topic I used to referee on Barrysworld (got the mug, t-shirt and everything) for the Unreal Tournament leagues. I was on swanky ISDN back in those days. (after starting life on a 2400bps modem eeek, now I feel old).

OT again...my clan (The HeadHunters) won the Tribes 2 division one league 2 years on the trot and got our own Barrysworld clan server free for a year as a prize. First year we won, we each got the latest GeForce SLi graphics cards as 1st prize... there were 16 of us in the Division one team...another 60 or so spread throughout the divisions, only the div 3 lot didn't come in 1st place.... second got them £50 Electronic Boutique (Now Game) vouchers each. Of course there were mumblings of us cheating by having the Div 1 players subbed out in the lower divisions... a bit difficult since all the leagues played at exactly the same time

Prizes were top notch back in them days [yesnod]

 

[Theodrid]

So the game is totally infected with exploits or so the OP would have one believe. Where is this big list of current exploits to justify the premise? Since the OP stated that everyone knows about them then why not post them? No facts for support then no validity to the argument. Until then this is just another misinformation thread.

Oh really?, check YouTube for starters, 'misinformation thread' you say, get your head out of the sand, apply some common sense and watch and read.

 

[Hooplah]

Oh really?, check YouTube for starters, 'misinformation thread' you say, get your head out of the sand, apply some common sense and watch and read.

I'll be happy to read the list of exploits as soon as you post it. Oh...you don't have the list? Refer to my original post and have a nice day!

 

[Theodrid]

I'll be happy to read the list of exploits as soon as you post it. Oh...you don't have the list? Refer to my original post and have a nice day!

Did you read the OP? - I am AGAINST the promotion of said exploits on Frontier's own bloody forum for the game, I CLEARLY stated that I was not going to list them, yet here you are asking for it like I'm your bloody secretary - pro tip, I'm not. Seriously, you cannot be so blind to not know of at least 6-8 exploits off the top of your head that exist in game right now, and that is without delving deeper. If you are not aware of them you either are incapable of reading these boards, reading Reddit or watching YouTube or a combination of all or some of those. As all of that seems particularly unlikely I am going to have to come to the conclusion that you are being wilfully ignorant/trolling because you partake in some of said exploits and are feeling overly defensive that the issue has been raised.

 

[BL1P]

I'll be happy to read the list of exploits as soon as you post it. Oh...you don't have the list? Refer to my original post and have a nice day!

Ill bite

Here is one, Premium munitions. The intention was for the Premium +30% damage to be removed when ammo ran out. Currently it does not. (exploit reward, unlimited +30% damage on weapons)
Here is one more, Quince planetary scan jobs. Collect 20 planetary scan job missions using the allowed exploit of mode swapping, The intention is that each job is a separate location. Currently it is not. (exploit rewards, fast easy credits + fast track of empire rank + 20x Data on one data link for engineer upgrades)

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

As someone with three accounts, I can tell you this "exploit" is as easy as juggling chainsaws and broken bottles at the same time. If you think you can make millions doing it, feel free.

As for the OP, game exploits do not affect me or my game. I don't use them and am not a victim of them. Play your way and have fun. The people making billions are just ruining their own games. Focus on yours.

very valid point.... my main worry however is FD will begin to see these exploits as a reason to not need to balance the game properly.... why have the chance of some high paying "gold rush missions" which we have to use skill to hunt out to find and when they are gone they are gone.

no point because instead players can just go to system XYZ and abuse the hell out of the latest mission exploit and earn far far more,.

OR

what is the point in thinking how to make a haz res or high intensity CZ truly brutal to allow a constant heavy stream of bounties coming in for players in a wing / MC when they can just put a 3 or 4x multiplier on the bounty of a single ship.

plus there is the danger of inflation. IF FD look and see 60% of the gamer base are billionaires then it may effect the price of the next new massive ship in the game........ therefore essentially punishing htose who did not exploit.

i genuinely wish FD sold credits for cash on their shop like in the kickstarter.. I bet they would have been far more keen to fix unintended get rich quick schemes then.

 

[Theodrid]

very valid point.... my main worry however is FD will begin to see these exploits as a reason to not need to balance the game properly.... why have the chance of some high paying "gold rush missions" which we have to use skill to hunt out to find and when they are gone they are gone.

no point because instead players can just go to system XYZ and abuse the hell out of the latest mission exploit and earn far far more,.

OR

what is the point in thinking how to make a haz res or high intensity CZ truly brutal to allow a constant heavy stream of bounties coming in for players in a wing / MC when they can just put a 3 or 4x multiplier on the bounty of a single ship.

plus there is the danger of inflation. IF FD look and see 60% of the gamer base are billionaires then it may effect the price of the next new massive ship in the game........ therefore essentially punishing htose who did not exploit.

i genuinely wish FD sold credits for cash on their shop like in the kickstarter.. I bet they would have been far more keen to fix unintended get rich quick schemes then.

Virtual +1 Mike,

Frontier's lack of will or ability to close these exploits combined with the 'LA LA LA I'm not cheating' attitude of some of the player base makes balancing the game - across the board - like urinating into a force 10 gale.

 

[Hooplah]

Did you read the OP? - I am AGAINST the promotion of said exploits on Frontier's own bloody forum for the game, I CLEARLY stated that I was not going to list them, yet here you are asking for it like I'm your bloody secretary - pro tip, I'm not. Seriously, you cannot be so blind to not know of at least 6-8 exploits off the top of your head that exist in game right now, and that is without delving deeper. If you are not aware of them you either are incapable of reading these boards, reading Reddit or watching YouTube or a combination of all or some of those. As all of that seems particularly unlikely I am going to have to come to the conclusion that you are being wilfully ignorant/trolling because you partake in some of said exploits and are feeling overly defensive that the issue has been raised.

Ah...so now you respond directed personally towards me in that I am blind not to know, incapable of reading boards, Reddit, YouTube, are ignorrant and trolling. That is the typical response when someone cannot defend their position in a point of argument. So without facts one can promote any agenda they desire without regards to proving it. Makes it real nice and easy when supposition is all one needs. The real issue is what you might consider an exploit isn't an exploit at all. It is your own personal perception of the game and how it should be played.

Here are a two (Darn, I posted them on the Forum! Oh my!) you and others can delight in tearing apart. Enjoy and have fun!

Menu Board logout - not an exploit. Why? Say with cargo missions the object is to fill the hold. Whether this is done siting in a station waiting for the Misson Board to refresh or logging to refresh it the payout for those missions will be the same. One can sit in a station waiting 90 minutes or log and do it in 15-20 minutes. Less time just keeps the game moving as it should be instead of being stagnant and is not a game breaker. The problem is that the RNG does not provide sufficient missions appropriate for the ranking of the player. An Elite ranked trader in a 700 cargo Cutter is not going to load it up with lower payout missions and jump to 8 systems for a 800k total payout.

Assassination stacking - not an eploit. Why? Two factions offer assassination missions to kill 12 ships in a third faction. The player kills one ship and is credited with kills in both factions? Each faction is looking for a kill and they don't care what another faction is looking for. That makes sense and is good player management of their resources...but not an exploit. If someone wants to argue that it is an imbalance in the game then they might have a point. But limiting accepting missions by just one faction or whatever isn't going to work too well either (although I think we are going to three max for assassinations).

 

[Theodrid]

Ah...so now you respond that I am blind not to know, incapable of reading boards, Reddit, YouTube are ignorrant and trolling. That is the typical response when someone cannot defend their position in a point of argument. So without facts one can promote any agenda they desire without regards to proving it. Makes it real nice and easy when supposition is all one needs. The real issue is what you might consider an exploit isn't an exploit at all. It is your own personal perception of the game and how it should be played.

Here are a few you and others can delight in tearing apart. Enjoy and ahve fun!

Menu Board logout - not an exploit. Why? Say with cargo missions the object is to fill the hold. Whether this is done siting in a station waiting for the Misson Board to refresh or logging to refresh it the payout for those missions will be the same. One can sit in a station waiting 90 minures or log and do it in 15-20 minutes. The problem is that the RNG does not provide sufficient missions appropriate for the ranking of the player. An Elite ranked trader in a 700 cargo Cutter is not going to losd it up with lower payout missions and jump to 8 systems for a 800k total payout.

Assassination stacking - not an eploit. Why? Two factions offer assassination missions to kill 12 ships in a third faction. The player kills one ship and is credited with kills in both factions? Each faction is looking for a kill and they don't care what another faction is looking for. That makes sense and is good player management of their resources...but not an exploit. If someone wants to argue that it is an imbalance in the game then they might have a point. But limiting accepting missions by just one faction isn't going to work too well either (although I think we are going to three max for assassinations).

What other conclusion am I meant to come to with regards to your reading/noticing of the matter when you only have to look on pages 1,2 and 3 of dangerous discussion to see three of the very things I was referring to? (and that's just from the last couple of days). What other conclusion am I meant to draw when a very simple google search using the words Elite Dangerous and exploit produces so many hits?, (admittedly not all current).

And as I said a post or two up, the 'LA LA LA I'm not exploiting' attitude of some of you is hilarious to behold, one iota of common sense makes the truth become apparent, denial of the existence of exploits is akin to the denial of trees. Do you understand the term 'an exploit is using the game in an unintended manner to gain an advantage, typically through the use of a bug or subversion of game mechanics' or do you honestly believe the mode system was implemented to allow mission stacking?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Assassination stacking - not an eploit. Why? Two factions offer assassination missions.

yet again, another good point, and if the mission board was that complex i would agree... but it isnt. how many times is the stack of for instance massacre missions each for a different faction, and how many times are they from the exact same one.

2 people may well pay you to blow up the same pirate or ask you to blow up 5 skimmers and then you should possibly be able to double dip.

but the same person paying you multiple times?? nope!.

 

[KWAiRT]

You're talking to developers who coded in a built-in exploit into their latest feature - magic afk pips in multi-pew. Literally a pay 2 exploit feature that gives an advantage to those with 2 or more accounts over those with just one.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Yep this ship is drifting hard to port fast...

 

[Hooplah]

....but the same person paying you multiple times?? nope!.

Yes, in that case I would have to agree. Simply program them as with two missions from one faction each delivering cargo. One doesn't get double credit for that and has to deliver all of them. See, I'm easy to agree!

 

[pewter]

It's not like they can affect your game. Except if they find you and don't care about rebuy cost because they're insanely rich. But still chances are very very low. I wonder how SDC keep paying their bills since all they do is PVP.