Pretty much yes by the looks of things here... FDev made a bad call, they get what they ask for... PR at it's best... FDev is going to have a hard time wiggling their way out of this...
Frontier: give the FSD to ALL players, regardless of whether they took part or not
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Nonsense. FD could have had the same CG but given away a unique ship kit or paint job for the top what ever percentage they want.... And sure some would complain because you never ever please everyone but I think the feedback would be overwhelmingly positive.
And of course ships can be balance altering.... But i also think it would be stupid to give away a special anaconda which is better than the base wrong as well.....
A new ship which anyone can buy in game is totally different
And people would have still moaned. Come on Mike, you've been here long enough. You know what this community is like. There's always SOMEONE who complains no matter what Frontier do. They are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
Personally I don't think it's a big issue but I respect your opinion. You make a valid point in a rational and calm manner.
Someone would but FD are thick skinned enough for that (or they should be) but I think over all the response would be hugely positive.
CGs are cool I am delighted they are back....... They don't need to strong arm people to play them by giving unicorn equipment imo. (But sure a little shiny for doing them is nice to have. I don't remember ANYONE complaining with the decals they used to sometimes give out for instance OR the special modules which were unlocked in CGs which went on general sale for everyone.)
For the record, I don't think these modules should exist for the same reason my CMDR's focused efficient (thanks legacy secondaries!) TLB PAs shouldn't exist.
In my opinion, everything that exists in the game should be fungible, or at least be able to be acquired, via some means, by any character. I don't like exclusives (and yes my CMDR has a Cobra IV, and reduced insurance, and bunch of other stuff no one can currently earn, via any method...I would gladly see it all removed, if it meant for a more equitable game) and I don't like grandfathered/legacy equipment.
It's ok to have rewards, even significant ones, but to reward items that can neither be transferred (either through sale or theft), nor recreated, rubs me the wrong way.
In my opinion, everything that exists in the game should be fungible, or at least be able to be acquired, via some means, by any character. I don't like exclusives (and yes my CMDR has a Cobra IV, and reduced insurance, and bunch of other stuff no one can currently earn, via any method...I would gladly see it all removed, if it meant for a more equitable game) and I don't like grandfathered/legacy equipment.
It's ok to have rewards, even significant ones, but to reward items that can neither be transferred (either through sale or theft), nor recreated, rubs me the wrong way.
I want a unicorn 
Based on this thread I'd say it isn't a big issue for the community. We are at 10 pages, but most posts are from ~10-20 people. Half of them are angry. That's like 5-10 people who are bothered enough to find the forums and complain. Obviously there might be many more who think it was a bad decision, but not that bad. Otherwise they would be here.
That doesn't need to stop us from arguing about it though.
It's probably a case of yes, it's a bad decision and no, it's not a bad decision. Both views are valid in my opinion.
I believe this change is completely based on the FC thread we had earlier. And while I didn't care about that issue either, the people who complained that the use of FCs is unfair are just as right as the people who now claim that their special item got devalued.
In other words, I guess there is no universal truth.
Yep. Pretty much the definition of vocal minority.
This is unfair, only people who own FCs manage to be among the 25%!
Frontier changes threshold to 75%
This is unfair, if I would have known that I could get the FSD with 75% I would have put more effort into the CG!
Frontier gives the FSD to all participants
This is unfair, if I would've known that all participants benefit I would have contributed to the CG!
Frontier gives the FSD to everyone
This is unfair, if I would've known that everyone gets it, I wouldn't have wasted my time with the CG.
Moral of the story is that CGs are stupid and should be removed from the game.
Oh, we already had that.
Frontier changes threshold to 75%
This is unfair, if I would have known that I could get the FSD with 75% I would have put more effort into the CG!
Frontier gives the FSD to all participants
This is unfair, if I would've known that all participants benefit I would have contributed to the CG!
Frontier gives the FSD to everyone
This is unfair, if I would've known that everyone gets it, I wouldn't have wasted my time with the CG.
Moral of the story is that CGs are stupid and should be removed from the game.
Oh, we already had that.
Well, the actual moral of the story is that someone is always unhappy, so best get used to it
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Well on 1 account I got top 25% in both CGs, still waiting for my combat FSD reward.
On a 2nd account I got top 25% in trade.
On my other accounts I didn't take part, as with the amount of effort needed to get top 25% the effort was too much.
Now with Fdev lowering the bar to top 75%, yes I'll admit I'm a little peeved. If I had known this beforehand I would have popped the others out, spread the load and likely would have got one on all accounts. The change is enough to make me grumble, but as more of a nice surprise to those who did try to grind to 25% nothing more than that and I'll consider them lucky.
If they give them to everybody though, I'd become annoyed. Yes my other accounts will get them, but what a complete waste of effort it becomes. I would also want to know where my missile launcher is for the earlier CG I decided not to take part in. If they gave those who took part an extra FSD on top of those they actually earned it would be better, but still, why should a person who hasn't even logged into the game for a year or never takes part in a CG get the reward? Also why shouldn't the people who got 25% get 3 then?
As for game balance, well that's easy, all they have to do is offer the same item again in a future CG, and people will decide then if they want to work for the reward, It may be a while (just like discount fed/Imp ships and access to them changes at times), but I'm sure they will offer it again in future and we all have the option to try and get it, or not, when that happens.
On a 2nd account I got top 25% in trade.
On my other accounts I didn't take part, as with the amount of effort needed to get top 25% the effort was too much.
Now with Fdev lowering the bar to top 75%, yes I'll admit I'm a little peeved. If I had known this beforehand I would have popped the others out, spread the load and likely would have got one on all accounts. The change is enough to make me grumble, but as more of a nice surprise to those who did try to grind to 25% nothing more than that and I'll consider them lucky.
If they give them to everybody though, I'd become annoyed. Yes my other accounts will get them, but what a complete waste of effort it becomes. I would also want to know where my missile launcher is for the earlier CG I decided not to take part in. If they gave those who took part an extra FSD on top of those they actually earned it would be better, but still, why should a person who hasn't even logged into the game for a year or never takes part in a CG get the reward? Also why shouldn't the people who got 25% get 3 then?
As for game balance, well that's easy, all they have to do is offer the same item again in a future CG, and people will decide then if they want to work for the reward, It may be a while (just like discount fed/Imp ships and access to them changes at times), but I'm sure they will offer it again in future and we all have the option to try and get it, or not, when that happens.
Good point! Hadn't considered that one.
If some people are actually angry because they "worked hard to get into the top 25" and those in the top 75% got it too, wouldn't those same people explode into incandescent rage and spontaneously combust if the FSD was also given to all those who didn't put in ANY effort all all?
I have no stakes in this. I would suggest rewards in competing CGs go like this:
1) There is minimum commitment threshold. It is fixed. And achievable.
2) Both parties set up a prize - the party to win determines which prize everyone (over commitment threshold) earns (their own of course - Fed win: IMP players get the Prezident bobble. Or Blue Princess bobble vice versa). Prize can be setup to be different.
1) There is minimum commitment threshold. It is fixed. And achievable.
2) Both parties set up a prize - the party to win determines which prize everyone (over commitment threshold) earns (their own of course - Fed win: IMP players get the Prezident bobble. Or Blue Princess bobble vice versa). Prize can be setup to be different.
I am here long enough to learn that FDev image is already broken beyond repair. They seem to be incompetent and detached from their Customers. So yeah, I expect nothing really...
So I can FSD backwards, of course!