Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free
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You must like losing bets.
The people who won't pay for it want another freebie. The quality of any testing they do will be the same as a drunk monkey testing a free bottle of scotch.
Name me a piece of game software that had no bugs on release of a major patch.
Also, small pool of testers above, followed by They may have thousands of registered Beta testers below... Your argument seems a little contradictory from paragraph to paragraph. I'd be chuffed if I had thousands of testers to Beta test my releases.
It is, and how does adding a bunch more people to a process speed it up?
BTW, there's 9,709 bug report threads in the 2.3 PC forum alone as I write this. (You really must like losing bets.) Does not include any other threads or Reddit and the Beta is only about a 1/3 done. I'd say the small pool of testers was doing a bang up job without the rest.
That is their choice and good luck to them. They're not being missed. 9,709 bug reports and counting, remember. You call that sub-par?
Idiom isn't any way to argue a point. Otherwise, I could say you are trying to pull wool over peoples eyes or were off your rocker. You take my point.
The 2.3 Beta does not need more players, it needs motivated players.
You paid 6 euros for something that you should get paid for, and you call others salty just because its a small amount of money? Lol.
Thing loose value with time. Both Elite and Horizons are cheaper now, and that is not necessarily unfair. I would understand the feeling though, but I think most of them will be indifferent or prefer better beta testing.
Total strawmanning. You have no idea what you`re talking about. You haven`t even listened and understood what`s being said, You`ve just got it so backwards it`s pathetic.
It`s not about the price, any of us could pay it. Figure it out.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
We mods are not in Frontier's employ, nor do we speak for Marketing. We are here to assist the community and make sure the forum is a nice place to be. We are cynical about this issue largely because - yes - we've seen it come up several times and it's always the same argument.
Hey, nothing wrong with having a discussion, though.
If Frontier wants to make an official response to the issue (again) then I'm sure they will.
This is just an angle to get Beta testing free, you get them coming out of the woodwork always around Beta testing time. Good reading material for winter time though, as you fall asleep to it.
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Registered beta testers and people actually beta testing is another matter entirely - so no, that wasn't a contradictory sentence, but nice to know you got overly defensive and felt you had to quote and argue each and every point when you could have just as easily summed it up.
How many of those 9,700+ beta posts are duplicates of the same problem/bug being found by the majority because it is staring them right in the face? Most of them.
What Frontier are lacking is a wider audience and fresh testers with different computer builds hitting the mix; and people with experience at beta testing games (or are serious in doing so), not people who pay to play bugged content early just for something to do (and not report squat), or people who have access but do nothing with it - as far as they are concerned, they don't care about beta testing despite being registered for it because they signed up for kick-starter, and it just so happened to be part of the offer.
Point is, you must try to break the game to find the bugs - not just jump in, play it a bit, report the blindingly obvious stuff that isn't working, then rub your hands thinking "job done".
Numbers mean very little - it is the quality of the feedback, and you don't get that from casuals, people who have access but know nothing about computers, etc..
You've said variants on this a few times this thread. I think the inference you draw is remarkable. What I infer from FD selling beta access is that they want money more than they want additional beta testers. If they mostly wanted beta testers, they'd make it free.
Its something they can make money from, what sane business wouldn't capitalise on it?
I'm not sure why you're saying that in reply to me; it is not pertinent. (It also implies that any business that doesn't sell beta access and could is insane, so I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.) All I'm saying is that the OP keeps reasoning "FD selling beta access" => "FD wants beta testers". I reason "FD selling beta access" => "FD wants money more than beta testers".
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Remember to send the backers a thank you note for without them, beta testing or not, you wouldn't have a game to get so opinionated / principled about.
People had to pay to get beta access - what they do with it is their business, not yours. FD are well aware of the entire beta process and if were really bothered would hire more internal beta testers to do the JOB that is required, not double-dip their customers.
It wasn't so much a reply as an expansion of the same thought process. I agree with your sentiment.
My thought process as expressed in my post contained nothing about the sanity, viability, or acceptability of selling beta access - one way or the other.
Go throw 6 Euros out the window if it doesn't matter so much to you.
You guys remind me of all those people complaining the "farmers" should give us food for free, they use free air, free rain and the dirt below our feet to make their products... why should we pay them?
How dare they, we have already given them money!
I just threw $20 out the window!
However, it's 5:44 am here, it will most likely still be on the ground when I walk the dog in a few minutes.
How dare they, we have already given them money!
I just threw $20 out the window!
However, it's 5:44 am here, it will most likely still be on the ground when I walk the dog in a few minutes.
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Not the women silly, their virginity!
I don't think that's entirely fair. "Always the same argument." So this means that people ALWAYS criticise FD's marketing approach towards their Beta rather than the Beta itself? Because that's what this thread is about - I should know I made itWe mods are not in Frontier's employ, nor do we speak for Marketing. We are here to assist the community and make sure the forum is a nice place to be. We are cynical about this issue largely because - yes - we've seen it come up several times and it's always the same argument.
Hey, nothing wrong with having a discussion, though.
I have no trouble believing that people bring up the fact that FD charge for beta every single time, I mean I've seen it happen and this very thread has been more or less derailed by that seperate discussion. But that is not the original topic of this thread and hopefully you know that. I feel like people are too quick to lump it in with "the same old argument" which hasn't helped this thread at all as is evidenced by the fact that I've had to repeatedly re-state my argument.
Because some people kept on not reading the OP.
That's almost exactly what I said in my OP. If FD want/need more beta testers then I suggest making it free. If they want more money don't bother begging for it via marketing email that shills their own beta process. There's a cosmetics store for that. As I said in my OP: FD are not strapped for cash and pushing early access for beta up my nose is likely to lose my good will towards them. It's all there in the OP.
Even in the text you quoted I clearly say:
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