Even has a label for those people who enjoy the game and don't moan and whine obsessively about the game.....
I have no answer to that. I never was good with kiddies.
Even has a label for those people who enjoy the game and don't moan and whine obsessively about the game.....
Care to post the links please?
White Knights? Surely thats just someone with a different opinion these days.
That's what you just did.But these people prefer to attack the player and not the issues.
I did mate. It had a bunch of info on it, including financial ratios (I explained a couple of them). You should go back and re-read.
As I have not seen any of those yet, I have to conclude that there are no white knights. Everyone that I have seen in the forums including me have something in the game they are not happy with or things that could be improved.No, not at all. Way back in the '80 & '90s, white-knights in relation to gaming were people on forums that protected and tried to belittle or denounce anything or anyone that said anything against the game.
Age of Conan and Conan Exiles are both still going. Can't think of any other Conan MMOs.A great example is the MMO Conan. It launched to huge fanfare, looked great and played so-so. Players started complaining about the various aspects that were failing. There were huge threads of complaints and of course, the other players trying to protect the game. Not long after, maybe 4 months or so, the game moderators started banning players that posted negatives about the game. Complaints or anything else.
Then whoosh, the game folded.
AgreedIn relation Elite, I think it is awesome graphically.
Except as a game it is doing very well and cannot be a huge failure. Just because there are aspects you don't like doesn't make it a failure.But as a 'game' it is huge failure (my opinion).
Not sure what you mean by code being missing. As to bugs, yes it has bugs, but doesn't seem to be any worse or better then most other MMO games. Qaulity control seems reasonably okay to me. Not great, but not bad either.But factually, it is buggy and lacks all forms of code and quality control.
No they are not white knights. They just don't see the bugs as being as big a deal as you and understand that all modern games are full of bugs.That is borne out by facts, not here-say. Yet you'll find players here who will argue against that. To me they are white-knights. One has to realistic in both the positives and the negatives. But these people prefer to attack the player and not the issues.
That depends on the negatives. Most of the negatives seem to be opinions, which people are certainly allowed to disagree with and not be called names.I can guarantee, I can post a list of negatives and someone else will argue the veracity regardless of the facts. That to me is asinine. But then I'm from a different generation so can't agree to the whole new, everything is wonderful rubbish that is peddled here like free candy.
Are you referring to these post of yours?
Frontier's Annual Results have been published (June 2018 to May 2019), showing a record year and Elite passing 3 million basegame sales
"Tell me not what is real, only that which seems consistent with what I want to be real" - everyone from around 2014 onwards. It always comes down to perception. Haters always find something to criticize, fans always look at their fave games in a positive light. It's all subjective and leads...forums.frontier.co.uk
Frontier's Annual Results have been published (June 2018 to May 2019), showing a record year and Elite passing 3 million basegame sales
Yep, and Elite Dangerous itself launched on 16th Dec 2014. Neither the basegame nor Horizons 2.0 launched during the week before FDev's Xmas/NewYear break - they launched a week earlier than that, leaving time for post-launch hotfixes. This is one of those wonderful moments where a statement...forums.frontier.co.uk
These posts do not show the facts you need though.
As I have not seen any of those yet, I have to conclude that there are no white knights. Everyone that I have seen in the forums including me have something in the game they are not happy with or things that could be improved.
Age of Conan and Conan Exiles are both still going. Can't think of any other Conan MMOs.
Agreed
Except as a game it is doing very well and cannot be a huge failure. Just because there are aspects you don't like doesn't make it a failure.
Not sure what you mean by code being missing. As to bugs, yes it has bugs, but doesn't seem to be any worse or better then most other MMO games. Qaulity control seems reasonably okay to me. Not great, but not bad either.
No they are not white knights. They just don't see the bugs as being as big a deal as you and understand that all modern games are full of bugs.
That depends on the negatives. Most of the negatives seem to be opinions, which people are certainly allowed to disagree with and not be called names.
You have called me a white knight plenty of times, even though there are parts of the game I am not happy with and feel could be better. While I don't want bugs in the game, they will always be there with games as massive and complex as ED. 99% of the time though I don't even notice them, so my game is virtually bug free.
They do, if you understand what you're looking at.
Sure there are bugs over a year old. The same can be said for a great many other games as well.Some great points, tacitly projected
I did say, in my opinion... I accept, that you may not see or encounter the bugs and there-fore your game is bug free, others, but we'll stick with me, have seen them. Some over a year old and yet they never get addresses.
They are not white knights. If they are not experiencing the issues (I have never had these issues), them saying check your ISP, wifi, network etc is just being helpful. But as it goes I believe it was ISP related, but something FDev could fix themselves, but obviously took time to find and lock down.As for the quality, I remember one release where a lot of players couldn't login or were being continually disconnected. When they/me complained here we were told it was our machines, our ISPs our WiFi, our anything but the game.... 3 months later after nearly giving up, we got a patch that fixed the net issues. Meaning the problem was in the game all along. Those type of white-knights..
Not too sure if that is the purview of quality control. That would be the designers area. The seperate mechanics were all working as intended which is what QA would be checking.Remember the GNosis jump? players getting killed and players getting sent to detention hundreds of LYs away.. Where was the quality control then?
Again I don't think that is the purview of quality control. Theres is "does the mechanic work, yes or no", the rest is implementation which obviously had some minor issues. The Grade 5 for Grade 1 components from what I can remember you had to do something very specific for you to do that, something easy to not find. Passenger missions, again worked perfectly fine, they just payed out far too much, again not an area of QA.Where was the quality control that allowed the missions messaging system to spam us repeatedly? Where was the quality that allowed us to take a passenger missions paying trillions of credits? Where was the quality that allowed players to get grade 5 modules for Grade 1 components?
They seem to be managing it perfectly fine in my view, with some ups and downs, just like any other games company. As to the lack of quality, that is just your opinion. Quality on the whole seems good to me.As for the complexity of the game... if Fdev can't manage the complexity then really they have no business creating it. The game being complex is not a valid arguement for the lack of quality.
I think you both make some valid points and as usual it is a sliding scale where we all sit at different points. I do really enjoy the game but I must admit that there are some extremeists on both sides which can get irritating.As I have not seen any of those yet, I have to conclude that there are no white knights. Everyone that I have seen in the forums including me have something in the game they are not happy with or things that could be improved.
Age of Conan and Conan Exiles are both still going. Can't think of any other Conan MMOs.
Agreed
Except as a game it is doing very well and cannot be a huge failure. Just because there are aspects you don't like doesn't make it a failure.
Not sure what you mean by code being missing. As to bugs, yes it has bugs, but doesn't seem to be any worse or better then most other MMO games. Qaulity control seems reasonably okay to me. Not great, but not bad either.
No they are not white knights. They just don't see the bugs as being as big a deal as you and understand that all modern games are full of bugs.
That depends on the negatives. Most of the negatives seem to be opinions, which people are certainly allowed to disagree with and not be called names.
You have called me a white knight plenty of times, even though there are parts of the game I am not happy with and feel could be better. While I don't want bugs in the game, they will always be there with games as massive and complex as ED. 99% of the time though I don't even notice them, so my game is virtually bug free.
In relation Elite, I think it is awesome graphically. But as a 'game' it is huge failure (my opinion).
But factually, it is buggy and lacks all forms of code and quality control. That is borne out by facts, not here-say. Yet you'll find players here who will argue against that. To me they are white-knights. One has to realistic in both the positives and the negatives. But these people prefer to attack the player and not the issues.
how many people of that 3 million are actually playing the game? probably very little,hence the whale hunting implemented with arx
Completely agree. There are many things I think should be in the game already and I really do not like the lack of persistance regarding ship. But they concentrated on other areas, such as multicrew and holo-me which in my view weren't really needed until space legs becomes a thing.I think you both make some valid points and as usual it is a sliding scale where we all sit at different points. I do really enjoy the game but I must admit that there are some extremeists on both sides which can get irritating.
Eg some people try to pass what in any other game off as a bug as a design feature, such as ai ships which escape by the skin of their teeth but 2 mins later jump back in full health ready to fight again when your own shields are barely back online...... Or how about that FGS which can magically chase your 50LY jump range ship .. in any other games these would be glaring bugs top of the pile to fix but not ED.
Agreed. These should be in the game already instead of other above.Then there is the whole thing about certain features being too hard to implement .. features which other games have had for years such as when you find a base it is persistent in your game or stuff like ai wingmates and protect the convoy missions.
In my view, they concentrated on the wrong things as mentioned above, they add lots of small things when they should concentrate on 1 or 2 large things.FD are proessional Devs. This should not be too hard imo.
I am in the same mind.I love the game despite the flaws... But flaws they are imo.
Totally agree. Also things like the game is a failure when it blatently isn't. It's pretty succesful considering the rather small dev team they have working on it, 100 is not a big team when you consider games like RDR2 and GTA have had 1000s working on them for a large number of years, RDR2 took 8 years to develop.Of course there have also been the doom mongers continually predicting the game is doomed unless XYZ, often XYZ being something which was never even mentioned as being in the game. One day the game will be doomed but I see no reason why it would be any time soon. It may however evolve so far from the game I was expecting, and the game I feel FD were pitching that I no longer want to play. In many areas I thought the game made more sense at launch and has gone backwards.
Pretty good, eh? Quite stable, too. It actually seems to improve. It's a miracle to me with all the engineer bullcrap but numbers don't lie....
Sits around the 8k mark and peaks to 14k or so when something happens and then drops back.
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Do we? But anything fitting your narration will do, doesnt it?...
Also, throw in "most people play in solo" which we know is factually wrong but a great narrative.
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I do undesrstand, I am starting to have my doubts you do though.
Can you please point to where in the information in those posts we can find:
Thanks
- the share price drop you referred to (which date, or dates if applicable) and
- the date the forecasts you referred to made it to the public domain