Yeah. Well whatever they do in a weeks time is pretty much set. If you want to forget about their pr marketing for a moment, what they patch in during the next 6 months will prove their caliber. We can only watch and say thank you if by chance anything changes. Given that every single station ui snaps the focus back to the refuelling icon 3 seconds after docking still.. i have zero expectations there.
Frontier's release plan is genius
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Yeah. Well whatever they do in a weeks time is pretty much set. If you want to forget about their pr marketing for a moment, what they patch in during the next 6 months will prove their caliber. We can only watch and say thank you if by chance anything changes. Given that every single station ui snaps the focus back to the refuelling icon 3 seconds after docking still.. i have zero expectations there.
As it should be IMO. I didn't pay for Odyssey alpha... well, not directly anyway. I have a couple of LEPs from the Kickstarter days.
If you don’t think other companies should emulate their behaviour, then why did you use them as a positive example (”...but at least they are being honest with people...”)?
They have lied about literally everything, including alpha status - SC is pre-alpha.
By that argument it would be impossible to sell games anymore as nobody has any universal definition of complete.
I expect you as a consumer will be able to make an informed choice based on reviews, watching other people play on YouTube/Twitch etc. and the fact that nobody in the forum will be able to use any excuses about it being an alpha/beta. Your consumer rights will be adhered to no matter what platform you choose to purchase on.
If Odyssey isn't good enough to release, it's their responsibility to delay and fix through their own process, they shouldn't be able to label it "beta" and start selling paint jobs on an unsupported game they don't want to be accountable for, but they could. I don't think that's great.
Because I believe in giving credit where it's due. No company is entirely good or entirely evil. On the whole, I think CIG gets more wrong than right, but this is not the place to be discussing that.
They have made no bones about Star Citizen being unfinished, buggy and barely playable.
By contrast, Frontier are releasing Odyssey as a 1.0 'finished' full price product on Wednesday, and given the state of the alpha when it finished, and the timescales involved (11 days of dev time), we can only guess at how disastrous it will end up being.
i disagree...
3.3.03 was released with a list of fixes. Some of those fixes were not actually fixed and they broke some other things.
And they were not aware of the discovery loop bug (or so it seemed)
They hotfixed that bug server side within 3-4 days, but by doing so they introduced another loop spam bug which was eventually fixed in 3.3.04.
Now, if you are implying they purposely released a fix that broke other things that were hotfixed at the cost of a new loop bug... well...
I dont credit them as malicious
why not just wait until Wednesday, and you have the released product (or whatever you wish to describe it as) on your PC and can actually speak authoritively about something that exists in reality, not just presumption and imagination?
Sotty, hate to be sensible when so few are having such a happily negative romp
You don't credit them as anything in particular - your choicei disagree...
3.3.03 was released with a list of fixes. Some of those fixes were not actually fixed and they broke some other things.
And they were not aware of the discovery loop bug (or so it seemed)
They hotfixed that bug server side within 3-4 days, but by doing so they introduced another loop spam bug which was eventually fixed in 3.3.04.
Now, if you are implying they purposely released a fix that broke other things that were hotfixed at the cost of a new loop bug... well...
I dont credit them as malicious
That's fair.
But as I said, I don't think it's the devs who have told their bosses "Hey - that E: D expansion you asked us to make, we're happy with it now and you can release it".
I suspect it far more likely that the command came from the other direction - to release it no matter what.
The EA tag simply cover's the developer's backsides, basically. I imagine for many, professional pride and reputation is at stake.
why not just wait until Wednesday, and you have the released product (or whatever you wish to describe it as) on your PC and can actually speak authoritively about something that exists in reality, not just presumption and imagination?
Sotty, hate to be sensible when so few are having such a happily negative romp
I will. But my expectations are not high, and nor should anyone else's be either IMO.
There's no rabbit, and there's no hat either.
Being fair, the "Armstrong moment" was nothing but pure marketing. Armstrong's glory was that he was the first person to step on "Terra Firma" other than Earth, not that he landed on the moon. I can't even tell you how many solars I have landed on; the fact that it will be boots instead of wheels is trivial.
If there is such a thing as an "Armstrong moment" in the game, it would be finding an ELW, or even better, an Ammonia world, with an actual civilization; or something similar, something that is unique.
Being the first to leave boot prints on a planet, pffft, big deal.
Armstrong was the first to leave the LEM.
He was the first to climb down the ladder.
He was the first to put a footprint on the surface of another heavenly body.
That's the Armstrong Moment (which was uttered by a dev incidentally, not a marketing person, and people picked up on it). And you're right, what we are being given is not that. You're not getting ELWs or Ammonia worlds either, nor civilisations.
It is broadly unique though. But that's about it.
Indeed, veganism has saved many rabbits...
You had 'issues' with the alpha which prevented you from participating - fair enough if it is a truthful comment.
I was able to participate through the entire alpha, running it at a reasonable frame rate, even in my native 4k resolution, found it surprisingly stable (I had a total of 3 CTD and a single 'frozen moment' throughout the 'test') and found the content provided for their focus to my liking. - these comments being absolutely accurate from my own experience - Although I don't suggest you bother watching them (you'd be bored!) I have several livestreams of the alpha and a handful of recordings on youtube that supports my own claim.
For me, if the release on Wednesday has the graphics even marginally optimised in comparison to alpha, and the whole galaxy is available, I'll consider my money well spent. I don't expect bug-free, nor any other 'stuff' to have been 'concealed for launch' - I even got to use the plasma weapons before they were removed, they were good fun too
I'll be livestreaming for a couple of friends from Thursday, same as alpha, just game, no editing, no comments. I'm not in the 'influencing' business so if just the 2 folk they are aimed at watch some of the content, I'll be happy enough.
As I joined the forum on Nov 6 2012 and as my first post appears to be Nov 10, I'd guess it was enthusiam for the ED KickStarter.Well done, creating an account to come and complain - it appears to be pretty common.
I created mine to ask for help, which was given virtually immediately.
Each of us come here for our own reasons - how strange
I do recall checking for news on Elite IV before that when the forum was lucky to have a poster a day, but obviously saw no reason to join
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under deliver, no follow thru. that's been the fdev way of releasing since 1.0
expect everything you experienced in the alpha to be the finished product we get on Wednesday but with things not tested included and thus buggy requiring hotfixes. don't expect anything incomplete or minimally implemented to change.
that's just basing expectations on their previous releases.
seems like a safe bet to me. im over 20k ly from the bubble so... this release amounts to a ui change and some eye candy differences. still going to be the same empty galaxy for 99% of the systems in it.
maybe the only interesting thing Odyssey will bring is some movement of the narrative in a direction that actually impacts the game instead of being something most players can completely ignore. (please let there be a full scale thargoid war that destroys the bubble)
expect everything you experienced in the alpha to be the finished product we get on Wednesday but with things not tested included and thus buggy requiring hotfixes. don't expect anything incomplete or minimally implemented to change.
that's just basing expectations on their previous releases.
seems like a safe bet to me. im over 20k ly from the bubble so... this release amounts to a ui change and some eye candy differences. still going to be the same empty galaxy for 99% of the systems in it.
maybe the only interesting thing Odyssey will bring is some movement of the narrative in a direction that actually impacts the game instead of being something most players can completely ignore. (please let there be a full scale thargoid war that destroys the bubble)
I'm still sad I missed that - I'd have joined in quite happily - but that was slap bang in the middle of 4 years of work where I wasn't paying attention to the PC gaming scene.As I joined the forum on Nov 6 2012 and as my first post appears to be Nov 10, I'd guess it was enthusiam for the ED KickStarter.
I do recall checking before that when the forum was lucky to have a poster a day, but obviously saw no reason to join
we'd be over page 100 if it wasn't for some selfish people.
The sad thing is, it absolutely will drive some sales of Odyssey; right now I'm trying to dissuade some friends of mine from purchasing Odyssey for me, because they are worried about not being able to play with me... in particular apparently those who only play in VR can only launch the main client from Oculus Home? Something along those lines. In vain I have tried to explain I don't want Odyssey at this point, I'm not interested in a basic FPS and a Stare-At-The-Same-Few-Plants-To-Elite; because I can't play with them if they have the options to play with that content active, it's our online friendship that's being broken up and they want to spend the money to allow it at all times again.
I could just buy it myself, but I feel like I'm doing it because of emotional blackmail rather than supporting something good. But I don't think Odyssey is good. It looks like typical Frontier half-assery again. (To be fair, the engine may not allow much more than this, but still... there's so much more they could have done even within the limits seen here; speaking as someone who has worked professionally on an MMO too)
I could just buy it myself, but I feel like I'm doing it because of emotional blackmail rather than supporting something good. But I don't think Odyssey is good. It looks like typical Frontier half-assery again. (To be fair, the engine may not allow much more than this, but still... there's so much more they could have done even within the limits seen here; speaking as someone who has worked professionally on an MMO too)
You can still all carry on playing Horizons as before. Even if you own Odyssey, you have the option to go back whenever you like. And when the full full full release happens in 6 month's time, you can play together using either client.
So they say, anyway.