FSS rework

[-VR- Max Factor]

Ah, so I'm exploring wrong. Thanks for putting me straight.

Not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

Perhaps I'm not particularly interested in geysers and stuff...

Never said you were. It's no different to getting the useless information you get from scanning a planet with the old DSS which from what I gather you are not happy about getting it straight away. Probing is the new DSS scan.

I map what I feel is worth mapping, and that is also not difficult.

Good for you.

What has difficulty got to do with anything?

 

[Faded Glory]

Nope, I'm not arguing that a glance at a system map reveal makes it easier to see if there's anything of interest there.

It depends entirely on what you are looking for. If you are only interested in a specific type of body, then the FSS makes it much easier to see what is there, and if you are only looking for a specific type of body the FSS makes it much easier to cherry pick those types of bodies. While I don't cherry pick, I have no problem with those who want to. It's a vast galaxy, plenty of planets to cherry pick from.

What I'm saying, is if you are only interested in those things that the FSS doesn't show then you have to scan an awful lot of uninteresting bodies to find the very few that are interesting to you.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

No. There really is no downside to having both. There is no balancing issue that having to fit the module does not outweigh.

Yes there is, yes there is, yes there is. I do not want BOTH. Keep your ADS peanut butter out of my FSS jelly. Now if you want to nerf your FSS by equipping an optional, separate ADS module that I can ignore, then I won't fight you on that. But all this "make the FSS like the ADS" nonsense must stop..

 

[Faded Glory]

Not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

You said I'm only doing half the job...

Never said you were. It's no different to getting the useless information you get from scanning a planet with the old DSS which from what I gather you are not happy about getting it straight away. Probing is the new DSS scan.

You gather wrong. I have not said that I thought getting information about POI's from a distance is bad, nor have I said that pinpointing those POI's using probes is wrong. You have though.

Good for you.
What has difficulty got to do with anything?

You said that since I wasn't probing planets I was only doing half the job. I simply pointed out that I have probed some bodies and that it wasn't difficult.

 

[Riverside]

Yes there is, yes there is, yes there is. I do not want BOTH. Keep your ADS peanut butter out of my FSS jelly. Now if you want to nerf your FSS by equipping an optional, separate ADS module that I can ignore, then I won't fight you on that. But all this "make the FSS like the ADS" nonsense must stop..

You won't have to have both. Choice is the point. Either or both, there is no balancing issue that precludes any of those options, and what equipment one explorer chooses has effectively no impact on other explorers. This is not a negotiation between contributors, you are stating what you want & I am stating what can be done. What you want is within the bounds of what can be done.

 

[Firebeard]

What I'm saying, is if you are only interested in those things that the FSS doesn't show then you have to scan an awful lot of uninteresting bodies to find the very few that are interesting to you.

I'll put another example, I'm looking for germanium to fuel my jump boost. With the ADS I look at the system map find theres a HMC there fly to it get the whirly bar of doom to find it doesn't have germanium.

I scan with the FSS I see that there's some HMC signals find it and scan and can see from there if it's worth flying to.

You yourself talk about only wanting to find "glowing green gas giants" with the FSS they become easy to spot.

As others have said it's becoming a lot easier to find anomalies with the FSS.

 

[Faded Glory]

I'll put another example, I'm looking for germanium to fuel my jump boost. With the ADS I look at the system map find theres a HMC there fly to it get the whirly bar of doom to find it doesn't have germanium.

I scan with the FSS I see that there's some HMC signals find it and scan and can see from there if it's worth flying to.

You yourself talk about only wanting to find "glowing green gas giants" with the FSS they become easy to spot.

As others have said it's becoming a lot easier to find anomalies with the FSS.

I think we're responding at cross purposes.

I understand exactly how the FSS works and how much easier (not to mention more fun and less frustrating) it is based upon your germanium scenario.

But when it comes to glowing green gas giants (these are just an example of the type of anomalies that the stellar forge can throw up) they are absolutely not easy to spot. You have to scan them first. And just as in your germanium scenario where you were frustrated when a body that you hoped might have it but turned out not to, so those looking for those stellar forge anomalies are going to frustrated (a thousand times more) when the gas giants they scan turn out not to be green.

Yes, you can find POI's easily, that's good and FD made that happen for a reason, because most players couldn't be bothered to look for them before. All we are suggesting is that those looking for the anomalies that the stellar forge throws up should be given a way to spot them.

 

[Stigbob]

Nope, I'm not arguing that a glance at a system map reveal makes it easier to see if there's anything of interest there.

It depends entirely on what you are looking for. If you are only interested in a specific type of body, then the FSS makes it much easier to see what is there, and if you are only looking for a specific type of body the FSS makes it much easier to cherry pick those types of bodies. While I don't cherry pick, I have no problem with those who want to. It's a vast galaxy, plenty of planets to cherry pick from.

What I'm saying, is if you are only interested in those things that the FSS doesn't show then you have to scan an awful lot of uninteresting bodies to find the very few that are interesting to you.

If as you say the FSS makes it so much easier to cherry pick then surely there's no downside for the cherrypickers.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I'll put another example, I'm looking for germanium to fuel my jump boost. With the ADS I look at the system map find theres a HMC there fly to it get the whirly bar of doom to find it doesn't have germanium.

I scan with the FSS I see that there's some HMC signals find it and scan and can see from there if it's worth flying to.

You yourself talk about only wanting to find "glowing green gas giants" with the FSS they become easy to spot.

As others have said it's becoming a lot easier to find anomalies with the FSS.

Some of us like flying off to a planet so the whirlygig can tell us what it's made of. Having the magic telescope do the job for us removes an enjoyable gameplay loop. Being easier isn't necessarily better.

Happily FDev didn't bother to take out the whirlygig, so it's still possible to explore the fun way in some systems.

 

[Riverside]

Don't overestimate your own importance here have a look at the post I replied to :



You know where you can shove your attempt at clutching your pearls aghast that I "got personal" since I simply replied to you in kind. I won't be fetching you the smelling salts no matter how upset you pretend to be.

You excel at floccinaucinihilipilification Stigbob. Take that as you wish.

 

[Firebeard]

I think we're responding at cross purposes.

I understand exactly how the FSS works and how much easier (not to mention more fun and less frustrating) it is based upon your germanium scenario.

But when it comes to glowing green gas giants (these are just an example of the type of anomalies that the stellar forge can throw up) they are absolutely not easy to spot. You have to scan them first. And just as in your germanium scenario where you were frustrated when a body that you hoped might have it but turned out not to, so those looking for those stellar forge anomalies are going to frustrated (a thousand times more) when the gas giants they scan turn out not to be green.

Yes, you can find POI's easily, that's good and FD made that happen for a reason, because most players couldn't be bothered to look for them before. All we are suggesting is that those looking for the anomalies that the stellar forge throws up should be given a way to spot them.

Fair enough maybe we are, I always assumed that when I zoom on a planet it shows me what it is, so yes zooming on gas giants might frustrate when it turns out not to be rare but is it not then a bigger "woot" when you DO find one?

 

[Stigbob]

Some of us like flying off to a planet so the whirlygig can tell us what it's made of. Having the magic telescope do the job for us removes an enjoyable gameplay loop. Being easier isn't necessarily better.

Happily FDev didn't bother to take out the whirlygig, so it's still possible to explore the fun way in some systems.

The FSS doesn't stop you doing that though so you still have all the functionality you want. If the only thing you are missing is an occupied slot you could just leave one empty.

 

[Faded Glory]

If as you say the FSS makes it so much easier to cherry pick then surely there's no downside for the cherrypickers.

For cherry pickers of types of bodies (ELW, WW, AW) of course not. Much easier and much quicker obviously. And I'll stress that I don't use the term cherry picking in a derogatory way. Let's just say people looking for specific types of bodies.

But for the stellar forge anomalies that I've been talking about, much less likely to be spotted. These aren't simply types of bodies, they are types of bodies with particular characteristics that are of particular interest to some players. Why shouldn't they be given a way to find them?

It's really no different to the fact that FD have given players a way to find POI's without the pain. Why should they not also give those looking for different things a way to do it?

 

[Stigbob]

You excel at floccinaucinihilipilification Stigbob. Take that as you wish.

Not true, I think the FSS and the game itself are great. I keep saying so.

 

[Stigbob]

For cherry pickers of types of bodies (ELW, WW, AW) of course not. Much easier and much quicker obviously. And I'll stress that I don't use the term cherry picking in a derogatory way. Let's just say people looking for specific types of bodies.

But for the stellar forge anomalies that I've been talking about, much less likely to be spotted. These aren't simply types of bodies, they are types of bodies with particular characteristics that are of particular interest to some players. Why shouldn't they be given a way to find them?

It's really no different to the fact that FD have given players a way to find POI's without the pain. Why should they not also give those looking for different things a way to do it?

There's nothing about the FSS that prevents players finding them though, we've agreed it actually makes it easier.

 

[Riverside]

There's nothing about the FSS that prevents players finding them though, we've agreed it actually makes it easier.

So what's your objection to the proposal then?

 

[Faded Glory]

Fair enough maybe we are, I always assumed that when I zoom on a planet it shows me what it is, so yes zooming on gas giants might frustrate when it turns out not to be rare but is it not then a bigger "woot" when you DO find one?

Perhaps, but since green gas giants are a lot less common than bodies with germanium, you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince...

So many in fact that you might simply not bother. Most people stopped bothering to try and find POI's on planets because it was frustrating and boring, thus FD made it easier, more fun. No good reason why they shouldn't make finding stellar forge anomalies more fun, it's simply adding gameplay options for those who want it, and nobody would be obliged to do it if they didn't want to.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You said I'm only doing half the job...

I said probing is still scanning, just like using the old DSS is scanning. You said it yourself that you liked to scan everything the old way. That was your play style. Now you pick and choose what to scan.

So which one is it. Are you a picker and chooser or a completionist?

You gather wrong. I have not said that I thought getting information about POI's from a distance is bad, nor have I said that pinpointing those POI's using probes is wrong. You have though.

Never said it was bad. I have always said that there should be information regarding POIs from a distance. It's the amount of info that I would prefer to be different. You recall incorrectly. Not that my post has anything to do with your reply. Try re-reading it.

You said that since I wasn't probing planets I was only doing half the job. I simply pointed out that I have probed some bodies and that it wasn't difficult.

That's not what I said. I never said you were doing half the job.

 

[Faded Glory]

There's nothing about the FSS that prevents players finding them though, we've agreed it actually makes it easier.

Not really. We've agreed that finding types of bodies is easier and quicker, not the anomalies that some people are looking for.

 

[Firebeard]

I've never seen one - but I get what you mean now, how about...

(I'm taking this idea from my Master's where we were analysing the frequency response of breathing patterns to see anomalies that could be serious illnesses).

In the frequency response, the spikes appear for planets as normal but anomalies cause a larger "spike" - or similar. Then an unskilled "cherry picker" as you put it would have to scan lots of planets but a skilled/experienced one would be able to see from the F. Response if they are "odd".

They may not still be exactly what you're after but it again narrows the field a bit.