Future Jurassic World Evolution 2 (The Sequel to Jurassic World Evolution)

[PCMR4Life]

PK had so much promise when it started. So far seeing the models and such. I have to say, I'm not too impressed. I hope it is a good game, but I rather on the potential that JWE2 can bring. In the meantime, I'll enjoy JWE So much to hope for in the awaited sequel. Also did you hear that the next movie might not be the last one in the series? Article talked about a possible 4 and 5 additions to the movies.

I saw some of the models and they look ok to me. A lot more accurate than the JP/JW Dinosaurs. Like they look like natural Dinosaurs. Like something you would see in a documentary about them. I saw some of the animations and I thought they looked good as well. I wouldn't say impressed though. But I would definitely consider buying the game after it's released and I see some reviews for it. That doesn't mean it would replace JWE though.

But so far it's not anywhere near release. To me it has the feel of a project that will be abandoned or release in a really unfinished state. I heard the dev team is small so I don't know how long they will continue working on it.

 

[Alan_Grady]

You are wrong. Making the dinosaurs in a production facility would be much more efficient and cost effective. They didn't want the Dinosaurs breeding in the movies and novel which is why they were all female. The point was to keep the populations in control.

So, buying all the computers, software, lab material and hiring professionals (scientists, that would likely require astronomic pays) to attend the whole process from the gene sequencing to the baby dinosaur raising (if they indeed do hatch: novel canon states, and even movie canon suggests, that lots of the eggs were inviable, thus making a big percentage of the production worthless and wasted) is 'much more efficient and cost effective' than producing some couples, release them into semi-liberty and allow them to breed? Really? Owen Grady here: Do you hear yourself when you talk?

Let's be serious. There's a reason why breeding programs are so widely extended worldwide. They are also mentioned by Colin Trevorow as part of Jurassic World. The company surely kept the lab work, but I think it eventually became just a way to clone new species. The already cloned animals would have been surely subject to such breeding programs to drastically reduce costs. Dinosaur mothers would likely have been mass produced as cows are today for milk. That's how companies such as MG work.

You can go wait for Prehistoric Kingdom if you want. I will stick with JWE and wait and see if JWE 2 comes along. You act like PK is released already and it hasn't been. So far they haven't shown much of the game at all. I will admit that the stuff I have seen recently it looks pretty good and I am interested. But the problem is it's not been released. It's not even in beta. But JWE can be played now and it's really good. PK seems like it's a long way off and it might never get released. They could just decide it's too much work and abandon it or release a half finished game. Plus PK doesn't have the JW/JP brand and theme with it. It's not going to replace JWE cause it can't. One of the reasons why people like this game is because it uses the JP/JW property.

I'm already looking forward to it, thanks. And, no, I am not at all acting as it is realeased. But it does have some awesome demo, downloable and playable, which does include several features such as the ontogeny mentioned above, which JWE lacks (not to mention a really good flocking mechanic). I am also receiving their monthly newsletter and the advances they are making since Crytivo backs them up is amazing. Personally, I wouldn't mind waiting whatever months are necessary for it (even if it's 2-3 years more). JWE is taking almost the same time-spans for much less anyway, and it's not all the good it should be. But we just agree to disagree
I couldn't care less about the JW brand, to be honest.

 

[South Tyrant]

As Alan Grady said, nature does things much more efficiently than human biotechnology, so breeding is the most efficient way to maintain an animal population. If there is overpopulation, just selling the dinosaurs ... (in terms of a game, selling the dinosaurs would solve the overpopulation problem)

 

[PCMR4Life]

So, buying all the computers, software, lab material and hiring professionals (scientists, that would likely require astronomic pays) to attend the whole process from the gene sequencing to the baby dinosaur raising (if they indeed do hatch: novel canon states, and even movie canon suggests, that lots of the eggs were inviable, thus making a big percentage of the production worthless and wasted) is 'much more efficient and cost effective' than producing some couples, release them into semi-liberty and allow them to breed? Really? Owen Grady here: Do you hear yourself when you talk?

Let's be serious. There's a reason why breeding programs are so widely extended worldwide. They are also mentioned by Colin Trevorow as part of Jurassic World. The company surely kept the lab work, but I think it eventually became just a way to clone new species. The already cloned animals would have been surely subject to such breeding programs to drastically reduce costs. Dinosaur mothers would likely have been mass produced as cows are today for milk. That's how companies such as MG work.



I'm already looking forward to it, thanks. And, no, I am not at all acting as it is realeased. But it does have some awesome demo, downloable and playable, which does include several features such as the ontogeny mentioned above, which JWE lacks (not to mention a really good flocking mechanic). I am also receiving their monthly newsletter and the advances they are making since Crytivo backs them up is amazing. Personally, I wouldn't mind waiting whatever months are necessary for it (even if it's 2-3 years more). JWE is taking almost the same time-spans for much less anyway, and it's not all the good it should be. But we just agree to disagree
I couldn't care less about the JW brand, to be honest.

Yes it would be more efficient and cost effective. You don't account for the fact that in nature something could happen to the eggs. It's not efficient or cost effective to sit around and wait for animals to breed. A lot of animals don't breed well in captivity either. There are a lot of things that could go wrong. Making them in a lab or industrial setting is the most efficient way and cost effective way. If it wasn't then Ingen wouldn't be doing it cause that's not how businesses operate and JP was meant to be a business.

Even in the TLW novel they still made them in that facility. They were getting sick cause of what they fed them.

Anyway it doesn't matter cause the whole point is to control the population numbers. The humans get to decide how many Dinosaurs were in the park.

Yes you are acting like PK has already been released. You said we should all just move over to PK. Move over to what? There is no game? It's still in Alpha and has been for 2 years now? PK was in development before JWE right? At least with JWE there is an actual game to play and it's constantly getting improved and Frontier is adding new content pretty regularly.

I have to ask if you don't like the game and think it's that bad and you don't care about the JW/JP brand then why are you even here? Why did you buy the game? The JP/JW brand is the biggest selling point of the game. Maybe you should go make an account on the PK forum.

 

[SanctusLupus]

I saw some of the models and they look ok to me. A lot more accurate than the JP/JW Dinosaurs. Like they look like natural Dinosaurs. Like something you would see in a documentary about them. I saw some of the animations and I thought they looked good as well. I wouldn't say impressed though. But I would definitely consider buying the game after it's released and I see some reviews for it. That doesn't mean it would replace JWE though.

But so far it's not anywhere near release. To me it has the feel of a project that will be abandoned or release in a really unfinished state. I heard the dev team is small so I don't know how long they will continue working on it.

Eh, I'm not in total agreement with that. I know that it is a small team and they been working on PK for several years. Actually, for a JP/JW animals. I'm not so concerned with complete accuracy as I don't think many have all the complete skeletons for many of them. I'm more concerned for it to be entertaining, fun and something you want to place a lot of time into. You know? That's why I really want the sequel to be epic Whenever PK comes out and you get it. Please let me know how it is

 

[SanctusLupus]

As Alan Grady said, nature does things much more efficiently than human biotechnology, so breeding is the most efficient way to maintain an animal population. If there is overpopulation, just selling the dinosaurs ... (in terms of a game, selling the dinosaurs would solve the overpopulation problem)

Not to mention that's a free payday for when you can just sell other dinosaurs to maintain the animal population.

 

[SanctusLupus]

Yes it would be more efficient and cost effective. You don't account for the fact that in nature something could happen to the eggs. It's not efficient or cost effective to sit around and wait for animals to breed. A lot of animals don't breed well in captivity either. There are a lot of things that could go wrong. Making them in a lab or industrial setting is the most efficient way and cost effective way. If it wasn't then Ingen wouldn't be doing it cause that's not how businesses operate and JP was meant to be a business.

Even in the TLW novel they still made them in that facility. They were getting sick cause of what they fed them.

Anyway it doesn't matter cause the whole point is to control the population numbers. The humans get to decide how many Dinosaurs were in the park.

Yes you are acting like PK has already been released. You said we should all just move over to PK. Move over to what? There is no game? It's still in Alpha and has been for 2 years now? PK was in development before JWE right? At least with JWE there is an actual game to play and it's constantly getting improved and Frontier is adding new content pretty regularly.

I have to ask if you don't like the game and think it's that bad and you don't care about the JW/JP brand then why are you even here? Why did you buy the game? The JP/JW brand is the biggest selling point of the game. Maybe you should go make an account on the PK forum.

That's partly why I suggest if there are nest that have eggs. Then the rangers can fetch them and bring them into the hatchery. Wouldn't that be a good way to go about it?

 

[PCMR4Life]

That's partly why I suggest if there are nest that have eggs. Then the rangers can fetch them and bring them into the hatchery. Wouldn't that be a good way to go about it?

You could do it that way. But then you would have humans approaching the nests of animals. Which is not a good idea. If anyone has ever been fishing and approached a nest of goose eggs it usually doesn't go well and those are just geese. I can only imagine how a multi ton animal would react. Also crocodiles and alligators don't like animals near their nests and eggs either. Even small birds will harass and dive bomb people that walk too close to a nest. I would not want to be the park ranger that has to go near even a herbivore nest. It reminds me of the scene from the TLW novel where the Biosyn team was going around stealing eggs. It didn't go well for them.

Of course you could tranquilize them but that would put unneeded stress on the animals. I am sure they wouldn't like being knocked out and having their nests raided periodically. They would also probably establish a breeding season where they would mate, makes nests and lay eggs. Messing with one group of animals would upset the others and could cause a stampede and the other eggs would be crushed.

So like I said there is a lot of things that could go wrong. It's much easier just to produce them in a lab.

But I guess you mean in the game. Yeah they could do it in the game. It would be unrealistic as hell <knock it off>

 

[SanctusLupus]

You could do it that way. But then you would have humans approaching the nests of animals. Which is not a good idea. If anyone has ever been fishing and approached a nest of goose eggs it usually doesn't go well and those are just geese. I can only imagine how a multi ton animal would react. Also crocodiles and alligators don't like animals near their nests and eggs either. Even small birds will harass and dive bomb people that walk too close to a nest. I would not want to be the park ranger that has to go near even a herbivore nest. It reminds me of the scene from the TLW novel where the Biosyn team was going around stealing eggs. It didn't go well for them.

Of course you could tranquilize them but that would put unneeded stress on the animals. I am sure they wouldn't like being knocked out and having their nests raided periodically. They would also probably establish a breeding season where they would mate, makes nests and lay eggs. Messing with one group of animals would upset the others and could cause a stampede and the other eggs would be crushed.

So like I said there is a lot of things that could go wrong. It's much easier just to produce them in a lab.

But I guess you mean in the game. Yeah they could do it in the game. It would be unrealistic as hell <knock it off>

lol

 

[Alan_Grady]

You could do it that way. But then you would have humans approaching the nests of animals. Which is not a good idea. If anyone has ever been fishing and approached a nest of goose eggs it usually doesn't go well and those are just geese. I can only imagine how a multi ton animal would react. Also crocodiles and alligators don't like animals near their nests and eggs either. Even small birds will harass and dive bomb people that walk too close to a nest. I would not want to be the park ranger that has to go near even a herbivore nest. It reminds me of the scene from the TLW novel where the Biosyn team was going around stealing eggs. It didn't go well for them.

Of course you could tranquilize them but that would put unneeded stress on the animals. I am sure they wouldn't like being knocked out and having their nests raided periodically. They would also probably establish a breeding season where they would mate, makes nests and lay eggs. Messing with one group of animals would upset the others and could cause a stampede and the other eggs would be crushed.

So like I said there is a lot of things that could go wrong. It's much easier just to produce them in a lab.

But I guess you mean in the game. Yeah they could do it in the game. It would be unrealistic as hell <knock it off>

Have you ever been at a real zoo at all, I wonder? That's not how breeding programs work.

First, no real zoo allows breeding couples to be 'out in the open' for people to see, much less to approach them. Maybe there are one or two species which breed easily enough to allow for that kind of exhibition, but even they would be taken into special paddocks or cages.

Jurassic World would be taking security as a priority and, just like Jurassic Park, breeding control would be a security measure too. You can't use birth control as security measure if you allow dinosaurs to breed in the open wherever and whenever they want and then 'send rangers to fetch the eggs'. That's ridiculous.

More likely, JW's breeding programs would involve special, remote paddocks such as the ones used for both the Indominus and the raptors. Large enough for the animals to feel comfortable but not so much as to loose their tracking with all kinds of devices, both as to observe their mating habits and track their health without interfering, and to keep tracking of nesting grounds and eggs too.

Second, the whole process is neatly planned and closely watched, always striving towards minimum interference. This means that, even if the people watching over the paddock keep regular observations of behavior, egg count, certain analysis, etc the couple or couples wouldn't be disturbed at all until the offspring has hatched and grown to some extent. Providing food, safety and quietness are the only actions expected from the scientists within the process. There are cages, and even paddocks, built with separate areas for nesting and feeding, which come in handy for vets and other professionals to separate the animals from their nests in order to access the eggs for analysis and research.

Third, yeah, maybe some things do go wrong. That's life too. Maybe half of the eggs in a nest weren't fertilized due to a fertility problem. Maybe an unsynchronization with the (unknown) breeding season of a certain species urges one of the parents to destroy either the nest or the eggs in order to re-start the mating. Some hatchlings might be born with deformities incompatible with life. The later would happen with much more frequenzy at lab too. Most of the former could be prevented with trial and error.

Anyway, the point is, as long as enough food and safety is provided, one or two breeding couples can achieve a similar success rate as a whole lab, but without a huge % of the cost needed for lab material and geneticists.

 

[SanctusLupus]

Have you ever been at a real zoo at all, I wonder? That's not how breeding programs work.

First, no real zoo allows breeding couples to be 'out in the open' for people to see, much less to approach them. Maybe there are one or two species which breed easily enough to allow for that kind of exhibition, but even they would be taken into special paddocks or cages.

Jurassic World would be taking security as a priority and, just like Jurassic Park, breeding control would be a security measure too. You can't use birth control as security measure if you allow dinosaurs to breed in the open wherever and whenever they want and then 'send rangers to fetch the eggs'. That's ridiculous.

More likely, JW's breeding programs would involve special, remote paddocks such as the ones used for both the Indominus and the raptors. Large enough for the animals to feel comfortable but not so much as to loose their tracking with all kinds of devices, both as to observe their mating habits and track their health without interfering, and to keep tracking of nesting grounds and eggs too.

Second, the whole process is neatly planned and closely watched, always striving towards minimum interference. This means that, even if the people watching over the paddock keep regular observations of behavior, egg count, certain analysis, etc the couple or couples wouldn't be disturbed at all until the offspring has hatched and grown to some extent. Providing food, safety and quietness are the only actions expected from the scientists within the process. There are cages, and even paddocks, built with separate areas for nesting and feeding, which come in handy for vets and other professionals to separate the animals from their nests in order to access the eggs for analysis and research.

Third, yeah, maybe some things do go wrong. That's life too. Maybe half of the eggs in a nest weren't fertilized due to a fertility problem. Maybe an unsynchronization with the (unknown) breeding season of a certain species urges one of the parents to destroy either the nest or the eggs in order to re-start the mating. Some hatchlings might be born with deformities incompatible with life. The later would happen with much more frequenzy at lab too. Most of the former could be prevented with trial and error.

Anyway, the point is, as long as enough food and safety is provided, one or two breeding couples can achieve a similar success rate as a whole lab, but without a huge % of the cost needed for lab material and geneticists.

Okay so pretty much make an addition to the hatchery where the dinos can go breed and then count how many viable dinos you have out of the breeding. Then given the choice to keep or sell them. Sounds like that would work for the game.

 

[South Tyrant]

Okay so pretty much make an addition to the hatchery where the dinos can go breed and then count how many viable dinos you have out of the breeding. Then given the choice to keep or sell them. Sounds like that would work for the game.

Surely that would work

 

[IndominusSun]

After allowing for some time to pass, for the purpose of viewing Planet Zoo and how it works, I now have a much greater understanding of what is absolutely needed for a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2.
Firstly in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation, call it what you will, I truly believe that the probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 needs to have at the very least the same level and amount of creativity in regards to environment/habitat/enclosure creation. But I, in addition to many of us Jurassic World/Park universe fans as I don't think I speak for myself solely, would preferably want even more creativity than Planet Zoo in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation as it is an absolutely essential aspect to Jurassic World Evolution and the universe at large due to all the lore and canon materials out in the world.
Secondly, I believe we need at the very least the same potential level and amount of creativity as Planet Zoo but preferably far more in regards to genetic manipulation/creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 due to all the lore and canon that references it. Moreover, it would take this game to another level differentiating itself from the predecessor and from other games such as Planet Zoo. I have of course listed ideas that I believe would help in this regard to genetic creativity/manipulation and of course I encourage you Frontier Developers to do even better in making more greater ideas for genetic creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2. I also attribute this encouragement to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation to be even better than Planet Zoo, but at the very least on the same level and amount as Planet Zoo.

I know you can do it Frontier, I have faith in you as we all do. Remember "Spare no Expense!"

Lastly, keep up the good work on the current Jurassic World Evolution. I as well as all of us fans look forward to what you have in store for the current game and for the current game's future. Keep up the great work!

Respectfully,

IndominusSun

 

[gabeluna27]

After allowing for some time to pass, for the purpose of viewing Planet Zoo and how it works, I now have a much greater understanding of what is absolutely needed for a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2.
Firstly in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation, call it what you will, I truly believe that the probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 needs to have at the very least the same level and amount of creativity in regards to environment/habitat/enclosure creation. But I, in addition to many of us Jurassic World/Park universe fans as I don't think I speak for myself solely, would preferably want even more creativity than Planet Zoo in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation as it is an absolutely essential aspect to Jurassic World Evolution and the universe at large due to all the lore and canon materials out in the world.
Secondly, I believe we need at the very least the same potential level and amount of creativity as Planet Zoo but preferably far more in regards to genetic manipulation/creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 due to all the lore and canon that references it. Moreover, it would take this game to another level differentiating itself from the predecessor and from other games such as Planet Zoo. I have of course listed ideas that I believe would help in this regard to genetic creativity/manipulation and of course I encourage you Frontier Developers to do even better in making more greater ideas for genetic creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2. I also attribute this encouragement to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation to be even better than Planet Zoo, but at the very least on the same level and amount as Planet Zoo.

I know you can do it Frontier, I have faith in you as we all do. Remember "Spare no Expense!"

Lastly, keep up the good work on the current Jurassic World Evolution. I as well as all of us fans look forward to what you have in store for the current game and for the current game's future. Keep up the great work!

Respectfully,

IndominusSun

My proof would suggest otherwise. Check some time later after the reveals of the next major free update and next major paid DLC in a new thread.​

 

[IndominusSun]

My proof would suggest otherwise. Check some time later after the reveals of the next major free update and next major paid DLC in a new thread.​

Then show it now. What do you have to gain by waiting for after the reveals of the next major free update and major paid DLC? If your proof seems to suggest otherwise in this discussion then share it now if you feel so certain about it. But even then I still refer to my last statement.

After allowing for some time to pass, for the purpose of viewing Planet Zoo and how it works, I now have a much greater understanding of what is absolutely needed for a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2.
Firstly in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation, call it what you will, I truly believe that the probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 needs to have at the very least the same level and amount of creativity in regards to environment/habitat/enclosure creation. But I, in addition to many of us Jurassic World/Park universe fans as I don't think I speak for myself solely, would preferably want even more creativity than Planet Zoo in regards to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation as it is an absolutely essential aspect to Jurassic World Evolution and the universe at large due to all the lore and canon materials out in the world.
Secondly, I believe we need at the very least the same potential level and amount of creativity as Planet Zoo but preferably far more in regards to genetic manipulation/creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2 due to all the lore and canon that references it. Moreover, it would take this game to another level differentiating itself from the predecessor and from other games such as Planet Zoo. I have of course listed ideas that I believe would help in this regard to genetic creativity/manipulation and of course I encourage you Frontier Developers to do even better in making more greater ideas for genetic creativity in a probable Jurassic World Evolution 2. I also attribute this encouragement to the environment/habitat/enclosure creation to be even better than Planet Zoo, but at the very least on the same level and amount as Planet Zoo.

I know you can do it Frontier, I have faith in you as we all do. Remember "Spare no Expense!"

Lastly, keep up the good work on the current Jurassic World Evolution. I as well as all of us fans look forward to what you have in store for the current game and for the current game's future. Keep up the great work!

Respectfully,

IndominusSun

This is what we absolutely need. We also would need the other ideas I have stated before such as a sandbox like Nublar, it could even be Nublar again but this time at the very least 3 times larger but preferably 5 to 10 times larger. Remember Frontier "Spare no expense!"

 

[gabeluna27]

This is what we absolutely need. We also would need the other ideas I have stated before such as a sandbox like Nublar, it could even be Nublar again but this time at the very least 3 times larger but preferably 5 to 10 times larger. Remember Frontier "Spare no expense!"

"We need it" or "I want it"?

It's one or the other.

Then show it now. What do you have to gain by waiting for after the reveals of the next major free update and major paid DLC? If your proof seems to suggest otherwise in this discussion then share it now if you feel so certain about it. But even then I still refer to my last statement.

I want the "leaks" for reference after the next official reveals for what they might have in store for the game before I share any of it.

 

[IndominusSun]

"We need it" or "I want it"?

It's one or the other.

I want the "leaks" for reference after the next official reveals for what they might have in store for the game before I share any of it.

Firstly, it's "we" due to the fact that I have seen these type of requests from others appear numerous times in many places. It's also "need" because this is a park management game and others like it, such as Planet Zoo, have so much in regards to creativity. Moreover, the current game is restricted by the engine used and so Frontier would need to work within it's confines to deliver the best they can but they won't be able to deliver the level and amount of creativity in regards to environment/habitat/enclosure creation and genetic manipulation/creation due to the current game engine restrictions. Frontier have also mentioned that there things they can't due to the engine. So as a result if they were to put these "needs" if would only be possible in a brand new game not the current one.
Secondly, your evidence may try to disprove the leaks, but there is something you can't disprove, which shows it is really likely that a sequel is truly in the works and that is why I am sending these messages so Frontier can see them early in the development process to be able to incorporate them. The "thing" I refer to is Frontier's official announcement to the London Stock exchange in which they said they signed a license to make a game for a "major global IP" that will release in 2021 and in the statement they made reference to the current Evolution. Frontier is a studio that makes /simulation/park management games such as Planet Coaster, Planet Zoo, Jurassic World Evolution and so the only "major global IP" that would work within that framework is the Jurassic Park/World franchise. When they made the first Evolution they didn't have a license per se but simply a one time use from Universal. Now Frontier has a license to make it. In addition in 2021, Jurassic World 3 will release in theaters and Universal would want to capitalize on that and so would Frontier due to the movie being the last in the trilogy. I am not saying Frontier is out for only money but they are a business so they would want to make money, although they are a very caring company about their product and so will do everything to make it the best when they release it. Also the current game restricts them from incorporating a lot of things and certain levels of things, they can still incorporate some things but they must work within the strict confines of the current game engine, they can't fundamentally change it. For Frontier to incorporate the things I have stated, which so many others have as well, it would only be possible in a sequel where they could use a far stronger and adaptable engine to incorporate the needs of this style of game such as the absolute needs of environment/habitat/enclosure and genetic manipulation/creation creativity to the same level and amount as Planet Zoo, at the very least, but preferably much more as Frontier would desire to improve and outdo themselves.
The leaks are more support for the evidence from the official announcement. So your evidence might say something to try and disprove them, but they have turned out true so far. But, hypothetically, let's say the leaks are not true the official announcement can't be disproved as it is official and the evidence is shows leads to a very likely conclusion that the Jurassic World Evolution 2 will and is being worked on.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

As long as the sequel involves 1993 cosmetics and skin from the beginning...

 

[SanctusLupus]

As long as the sequel involves 1993 cosmetics and skin from the beginning...

Seems like that won't be a problem with the JP DLC trailer today

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Seems like that won't be a problem with the JP DLC trailer today

That's precisely why I deleted all my savegames and uninstalled the game.