GALNET - Prototype Frame Shift Drive almost production ready, competitor sceptical - 04 APR 3310
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That a Best-in-Slot FSD does not exist anymore is interesting.
My daily driver sat at 52ly+ jump range due to a dual-engineered FSD. I did nearly everything with it.
Now, on the other hand, it's touching ~25ly with the SCO drive.
Haven't run a beefy set of missions yet that would really test it properly...
...but so far it seems like a no-brainer to use the SCO for most stuff.
And maybe switch to the dual-engineered min-max'd FSD for a day of dedicated 200ly+ long distance work.
SCO really turns supercruise into active gameplay.
Slashed the traveltime for a mission in half, saving 2½ minutes. That's like three jumps in time-spent saved.
Also kind of humurous that it turns FDL/Mamba murderboats into aenemic sub-8ly vessels that light themselves on fire the moment they SCO...
My daily driver sat at 52ly+ jump range due to a dual-engineered FSD. I did nearly everything with it.
Now, on the other hand, it's touching ~25ly with the SCO drive.
Haven't run a beefy set of missions yet that would really test it properly...
...but so far it seems like a no-brainer to use the SCO for most stuff.
And maybe switch to the dual-engineered min-max'd FSD for a day of dedicated 200ly+ long distance work.
SCO really turns supercruise into active gameplay.
Slashed the traveltime for a mission in half, saving 2½ minutes. That's like three jumps in time-spent saved.
Also kind of humurous that it turns FDL/Mamba murderboats into aenemic sub-8ly vessels that light themselves on fire the moment they SCO...
Just like super and hyper cars.
In that occasion that I screenshotted I was in a 'Conda with normal FSD doing leasurely 11c in an alert system while waiting for threat 4 NHSS-s to spawn. The other commander was zipping around with the SCO, and I detected him at 15000 ls, then he dropped off my sensors while the contact info said "Overcharge signature fading".
Which makes me think that once you engage SCO your ship will stuck out like a sore thumb for other ships sensors no matter at what speed they move, meaning you can't exactly sneak around a system using it. A hollow triangle dashing after someone will be visible for everyone who just arrived at the main star with throttles at 0 or just started climing out of the gravity well from a station to go to the CZ/RES. With normal FSD travel a ship doing 2001c will be invisible to the ship idling at 0 throttle 10000 ls away.
If the SCO FSD was better than the FSD in all aspects, I would so salty for having fully engineered several different FSDs across almost 40 ships only to have to do it all over again...
Power creep like that ain't fun, specially for long time players. Different tools for different problems is always a more interesting design anyways.
I just hope we get to engineer it, maybe by having an A-rated version that can be engineered but has slightly lower base jump range (to cover the increase possible with engineering).
Having my Titan PodMining Rescue ship jump range at 9.4 Ly makes it impossible to find a decent carrier parking spot two jumps away from Oya to do rescues. Only choices I have are doing so many jumps that I can't make the travel back (not viable), spending materials to overcharge the FSD (incurs extra grinding later), or simply not using the SCO. The FSD Booster module would make things better, if only Titan space didn't destroy it in less than a minute (and the build had space for it).
My Ody driver on the other hand had an almost 20 Ly range (about the limit for out-of-system Ody mission ranges) with a Class 2, but with the Class 3 SCO it stays at almost 15 Ly. Trading one extra jump (sometimes) is okay for faster system movement. I'll just have to slap a fuel scoop on it, since it has an undersized fuel tank.
Power creep like that ain't fun, specially for long time players. Different tools for different problems is always a more interesting design anyways.
I just hope we get to engineer it, maybe by having an A-rated version that can be engineered but has slightly lower base jump range (to cover the increase possible with engineering).
Having my Titan Pod
My Ody driver on the other hand had an almost 20 Ly range (about the limit for out-of-system Ody mission ranges) with a Class 2, but with the Class 3 SCO it stays at almost 15 Ly. Trading one extra jump (sometimes) is okay for faster system movement. I'll just have to slap a fuel scoop on it, since it has an undersized fuel tank.
There's dozens of supercars that are suitable as daily drivers and can do everything (better) than a cheap car. The barrier for entry is the price tag and higher costs.
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What happened in the Achilles testing labs is staying in the Achilles labs.
Probably. Unless someone, and I’m definitely not looking at Sirius or anything, happened to cause some compromising details to leak out.
They'd need to be moving at 350-400c for you to detect them at ~15k ls and falling below that when SCO ended could explain the loss of sensor contact. It's hard not to move fairly fast with SCO engaged.
I'll probably do some testing later with SCO vs. normal FSDs and see if there is any difference in detection range at the same velocity.
Your original reply was much more convincing than this one.
Porsche 911 is probably the most practical everyday supercar, but good luck taking a family of 5 to a road trip with that, or hauling furniture home from shop. On the other hand, a high trim Renault Traffic or MB V class is relatively cheap, comfortable, economical and hauls everything you probably ever need to haul.
Doesn't detection range depend only on the speed of detecting ship, not the detected ship? At least that's been my experience—I might idle 5000 ls from the star searching for USS-s and not see any traffic on sensors; I speed up to 200c and pick up NPC-s doing all sorts of speeds—just about to drop out at stations or doing several dozen c-s in shipping lanes.
And is worse in the others. Context matters.
It's been so long since I tested it that I'm not sure.
It's supposed according to the old documentation to be mutual 45s range: so anything you could reach in 45s at your speed, and also anything which could reach you in 45s at its speed, ignoring the effects of gravity wells.
For a very long time it's been 45s your speed only ... but it's possible that's another bug which was quietly fixed with the drive introduction (or for that matter, given my current exploration trip, could have been any time since U15) so it would need retesting to be sure.
For a very long time it's been 45s your speed only ... but it's possible that's another bug which was quietly fixed with the drive introduction (or for that matter, given my current exploration trip, could have been any time since U15) so it would need retesting to be sure.
I don't want to turn this into a Car Guys thread but on the other hand the supercar analogy is useful in general, so I really have to point out the 911 isn't the point anyone was making. The 911 in particular is a terrible example to use in this discussion. The 911 is a very silly car that you buy because it is very silly and you can't go to the shops in it. It is a rear-engine coupe with a single purpose and it is designed to that not-going-to-the-shops purpose. That is the point of it. (I mentioned the MR2 in another thread already...)
The supercars useful to this discussion are things like Maserati GT, Aston DB11 AMR, Ferrari 456, and the current meta which is Koenigsegg Gemera.
The point is that there are four-seater supercars and Avant supercars and these days hell there are even full-on SUV supercars (some of which are also full electric!) But they are expensive to own and operate and also a pain the to park and various other pains that go with supercarness.
So you are correct that the 911 is not a good car to go on holiday with three kids but... nobody said it was?
There could be multiple new FSD with SCO. That doesn't make the cheapest version obsolete. Some would be better than others.
That's an odd comparison. I have the Courier, all the other small ships can be tossed out.
Well in some situations, the player might not want to risk a more expensive ship. The Sidewinder is less of a target for pirates and it draws less attention.
You think F1 cars are equal? Nowhere near, if your looking for a motorsport where its genuinely down to the person you need to look at 2 wheels.
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I'm not a car guy, especially when it comes to supercars (why fret over something I'll never, ever be able to afford anyway?) but I remember some local auto journalist/reviewer claim 911 to be rather practical in which trunk you can actually fit a bag of groceries. Unlike many other sports/supercars where the "trunk" is barely bigger than the glovebox. But that was some 20 years ago so things probably have changed a lot since then, I just haven't had any reason to keep up with them and 911 was the only thing that popped into my mind beside McLaren F1 and Lotus Elise
As someone who spent a few months driving a 911 (wasn't mine i was just 'looking after' the owner and his family) i can tell you that you can get a lot of beer in that spaceI'm not a car guy, especially when it comes to supercars (why fret over something I'll never, ever be able to afford anyway?) but I remember some local auto journalist/reviewer claim 911 to be rather practical in which trunk you can actually fit a bag of groceries. Unlike many other sports/supercars where the "trunk" is barely bigger than the glovebox. But that was some 20 years ago so things probably have changed a lot since then, I just haven't had any reason to keep up with them and 911 was the only thing that popped into my mind beside McLaren F1 and Lotus Elise
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