ANNOUNCEMENT Game Balancing
Yes they do but the odds are against one happening during the life of the game (2-3 per century in this galaxy) which are way higher than the chance of them happening in a system with someone in it.
No way for players to learn the game? What?!!! You learn the game by playing it. And you do realise there are tutorials for the basics. You did go through those didn’t you?! Would be nice if there was one on interdiction. And you still don’t get it. The time I took to learn the game in small ships WAS NOT FRUSTRATING! It was fun! Why was it fun and not frustrating? Progress was steady. Credits, rank, rep all going up. Setbacks were minor and easily recovered from so hard lessons were learned cheaply. There are a whole range of activities that are viable to try in a small ship like a Cobra so there were lots of interesting things to do. ED as a game for newbies may not be perfect, but it is far from the disaster you describe.
I always thought the name of the rank was related to the name of the game.
Don't reward or encourage pirates, btw ...
Don't know if this is still being monitored, but if it is, I finally joined the forum just to add: please allow AX combat to give the materials needed for AX combat.
I got into AX combat and really enjoyed it, but at a certain point I was starting to run low on materials for heat sinks and Gauss reloads, and the prospect of needing to do a multi-hour grind just to be able to continue the activity I actually wanted to accomplish made me stop and reconsider whether I actually wanted to continue.
The grind for materials is such an utterly unnecessary hassle for AX. If there were missions that made it possible to earn guardian materials and heatsink components, or you could trade Thargoid bits for the materials you need, you would really make AX just a lot less punishing and grindy as a career choice.
It would also be great if there were increased credit payouts of course, but it's the constant drain of materials that really discourages AX. In fact given the high performance ship requirements, high material payouts in general might be worth it - giving AX commanders more opportunities to try out different builds without needing to farm high grade emissions or similar.
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Missions for AX kills that reward higher level mats that could be traded for heatsink reload mats could be one way to achieve this.
It's not the players fault that that game is designed in such a way that players have no other way but to fail. It's bound to happen, and it means that the game is badly designed in that regard.
I'm assuming that players just want to play a fun game rather than spending months and years tring to figure out how to play a game by reading forum posts, wiki articles, watching videos, trying to ask other players in the game, finding out about web sites that try to make the game playable a bit more.
The game pass you can get for the xbox is cool. It allows me to try out games without having to buy them. I even liked the last game I deleted about half an hour after starting to play it because I got to a point where you're supposed to jump across a wide gap, and doing that jump requires you to perform a finger-breaking combination of pressing buttons in the controller. I tried it a couple times and didn't make it and deleted the game. It's that easy, and ing off players like ED does makes me wonder why anyone is even buying it.
Part of the problem is that the economy is artificially rigged to encourage/force certain playstyles. Take Painite as an example:
Painite is "Highly sought after by socialites throughout occupied space ", it's a hot commodity (slight pun intended). Many stations will buy it from you for a high price relative to other commodities....and yet, nobody will sell it. That's counterintuitive to how the market as a whole works. There are a number of commodities like that, but if we were going for "realism" that would be one of the most highly traded things with a spread of prices that would encourage long trips full of cargo to buy low and sell high. Or you could spend time mining it if that was your preferred approach. This opens up multiple routes to achieve the same thing (sell Painite for sweet sweet profit), whilst making the game itself more immersive.
And you can extend that to materials. Why can't I buy iron? Why can't I find/mine iron and then sell it for a profit to players who are desperate to use it for engineering or synthesis? It's a maguffin to force a particular gameplay aspect which runs counter to other gameplay aspects such as the market. If you opened up materials as commodities you'd have genuine mobile markets (fleet carriers) going around providing stocks near CZ, RES or engineers (I'm not advocating removing engineers specifically, I think that aspect is pretty cool). It could become a vibrant sub-economy that allows FC owners to follow a path as a shopkeeper. Or something like that.
If that's true, I guess that realistically, in current ecomomy on this earth, we would see large shipments of gold going around, making it the most-shipped commodity since a long time. Gold is very much sought after, and the price is relatively high. Somehow, I think it isn't, and that's not only because it might be dangerous to ship gold.
Other than that, I agree. Minerals and Materials would be sold and not only bought, and we should be able to buy and to sell them in ED.
How is anyone building ships or stations in ED? Does whoever does it mine all the minerals needed for that themselves?
That's a partial solution, but as far as I know there's no way to get the Guardian Power Conduits and Guardian Wreckage Components needed for Gauss reloads (or Sentinel Parts or Tech Components used for higher grade reloads), other than flying out 100s of light years and farming them from Guardian sites.
There's no material trader that gives you those components, so you'd need to add them as mission rewards or something (maybe give them when you claim AX bounties). Also, you'd want to hand out high grade raw materials as well, so that you can refill flak launchers and the Manganese needed for Gauss.
Why would I play ED when the only thing they do is pimping player income? Fix the relevant issues first --- or maybe later and then pimp incomes accordingly. If they don't do that and remain unwilling to improve the game, I'll just to have say I don't care anymore and never look back. And in that case, I want at least part of my money back.
But they started this thread with asking for our feedback. I wonder what they currently think.
Maybe, it's 1649, and time to go home?
All you new people need to start pimping your forum avatars. This alphabet soup is boring
Back to actual Credit Earning Balance topic... which IS what this topic is about..
Massive Market crash on third party sites as very few Markets are being visited after the price tick...
Trading goods has replaced mining as king CPH so mining markets are not being updated while laser mining is replaced by cargo runs per hour.
Mining maps can only be done every 3 hours... Cargo runs last as long as supply stations last... so can be repeated for as long as you want..
Third party websites are no good for mining sale locations unless people actualy upload them and to do that they have to want to mine and they dont need too now...
Cargo runs pay more than RNG mining... the 16ly jump runs pay more per hour than RNG mining...
FDEV have made mining not the top dog any more...
All hail the new CPH King "cargo runs"...
Massive Market crash on third party sites as very few Markets are being visited after the price tick...
Trading goods has replaced mining as king CPH so mining markets are not being updated while laser mining is replaced by cargo runs per hour.
Mining maps can only be done every 3 hours... Cargo runs last as long as supply stations last... so can be repeated for as long as you want..
Third party websites are no good for mining sale locations unless people actualy upload them and to do that they have to want to mine and they dont need too now...
Cargo runs pay more than RNG mining... the 16ly jump runs pay more per hour than RNG mining...
FDEV have made mining not the top dog any more...
All hail the new CPH King "cargo runs"...
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Wunderbar! Truly looking forward to it
You don’t need months and months to learn how to play the game. And the game doesn’t set you up to fail. I didn’t take months watching YouTube vids or asking questions on the forum. I got on playing the game and if any questions came up popped on here. Got swift answers and kept going. I did watch one of those how to make cash and get rich quick vids, but the mining seemed tedious, but some of the tips were handy. So I just got on with playing, having fun and making progress.
If players are looking for a fun game you can pick up in 5 minutes there are plenty out there to choose from, but Elite isn’t that game and neither is any other game that covers the sort of scope ED does.
I'm just giving feedback, as the OP requested. Report me if you like.
Some days late, I guess no one will read this, but it's worth a try:
Maybe I do not see the whole picture, but from what I see, I don't think this is the right approach to implement such changes.
Reducing the best source of credits at first sends the wrong signal.
Why reduce mining at all?
Just increase the amount of credits for all other ressources.
In other words: balancing with a nerf opener feels so bad.
It will not make me return from my hiatus until I see all other changes.
Maybe I do not see the whole picture, but from what I see, I don't think this is the right approach to implement such changes.
Reducing the best source of credits at first sends the wrong signal.
Why reduce mining at all?
Just increase the amount of credits for all other ressources.
In other words: balancing with a nerf opener feels so bad.
It will not make me return from my hiatus until I see all other changes.
Void opals dropped to 800,000, can you verify this information provided is correct?
While I understand markets do "crash", it seems to happen a lot in regards to mining. The Low Temp Diamonds I understand why such a swift and brutal change was necessary, however with void opals I dont get it. They aren't that easy to mine in mass, and the biggest losers are going to be FC owners like me with orders on them. Its worth mentioning that the orders are based on galactic average % on goods, and unfortunately dont automatically adjust when Fdev adjusts prices ingame, which at least for me has resulted in the loss of billions. I'd like to suggest that FC's be allowed to auto-adjust based on galactic average, and that Fdev does price changes by effecting the galactic average rather than changing multipliers based on system state/industry. This way anyone owning a FC doesn't get tons of low value materials dropped on them while they sleep because within an hour or two of the change it looks like people panicked and dumped their stock on other FC owners.
and painite... omg the loses are brutal xD
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