Game Bashing On Steam

[xaisis]

Is it positive or negative though?

For me it add up to negative.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Sigh. So how about a FPS game not having strategy gameplay.

I don't see the problem about that, it is unironically a common element in certain gamemodes in many FPS, hell, even CoD Mobile (a run of the mill dumb FPS) had a BR mode with some strategy to it.

I guess the argument makes sense when you talk about features that you would expect in the expansion.

Like VR support as the rest of the bloody game has.

That the expansion doesn't have VR support is something everyone knew. So if you bought the game knowing there is no VR support, it's kind of stupid to tell people they shouldn't buy the game because it doesn't have VR support.

Making an annoucement about 'X' before launch makes complaining about 'X' (or lack thereof) invalid? I agree to disagree, though I'll dully note it's only been in the last year that you and others have become the connoisseurs of (negative) ED reviews now that they aren't sweet and rosy.

Why did you buy it in the first place?

I didn't, go ask those who did. It doesn't take much imagination to come up with at least one reason.

"I can't recommend the game because it is like it was advertised" just isn't a compelling argument in my opinion.

Since when are reviews arguments?

Of course it's a fair point when you add it in a list of shortcomings, like "the game does this bad, and that is bad and I don't like it. But I could ignore all that if it had something awesome that I never expected". So I guess in that situation it kinda makes sense, but it would still be a silly point.

Oh great, you did come up with a reason.

I bought that car and it can't fly.

Seriously?

 

[Terry Daniels]

It's kind'a funny, but recent reviews (96) have moved it up to a mixed rating but a not recommended review (see below - not by me), written 8 days ago has 457 people marking it as helpful... That can't be helping sales (of which it is in one @ 40% off at the moment)...

One recommended review got 60 helpful and 13 funny (but they scored it at 7.5 and admitted it still had issues), but most had between 2 and 6 it seems like (I didn't check all reviews).

3,860 playable hours with Elite Dangerous as a whole upon time of this review.
I own a 1000+ person player group that solely plays this game. Every single one of us plays it for the MMO aspect, ongoing story, amazing community, and the ability to be a part of an ever evolving galaxy of fun.
Odyssey took the last 6 years of development and threw that in the trash.
I owned this DLC on day one, and I've been waiting very patiently to give it a good review because I wanted to trust this company to pull something, anything, out their <redacted on this forum> to make up for such a horrendous launch week.
But, after nearly an entire year of bug fixes, updates, console cancellations, mismanagement, lies, and everything else thrown into the bucket, its just not worth the $40 price tag by any means.
This DLC release is so terribly done that the turnover rate inside Frontier Developments quadrupled.
Senior level project managers have been quitting left and right after being there since the beginning due to the awful decisions being made by higher ups, and the lack of ability to coordinate projects in how they see fit.
The Arx system (microtransactions) is the only part of the game receiving constant updates.
"Fleet Carrier Interiors' are a literal joke and should have been released with every other ship interior upon Odyssey Release.
The constant "grind" for weapon and suit materials is so awful that most people just buy G3 equipment and call it a day, for not wanting to spend the next 300 hours (a verified number) to upgrade a single set of weapons.
They literally looked at Horizon's engineering system of being able to trade high grade mats for lower grade stuff, said "we dont want to do that anymore" and made every single obtainable item in Odyssey RNG without the ability to trade. (But now you can buy it from other players via carriers but the players still have to find them anyway).
The optimization is a joke.
The gameplay is lackluster.
The atmospheric settings are beautiful but lack even the most basic cloud tech.
The Settlements are well made but repetitive.
The NPCS are laughably underdeveloped.
The weapon system is archaic and not fun. (Seriously, why do we need to always have one weapon for shields and one weapon for kenetic.) It's not at all "Arma-like" as they claimed in development.
No new ships.
One new SRV (after almost 8 months after release)
So yeah, you tell me if its worth $40.

 

[babelfisch]

I don't see the problem about that, it is unironically a common element in certain gamemodes in many FPS, hell, even CoD Mobile (a run of the mill dumb FPS) had a BR mode with some strategy to it.

Yeah, maybe you didn't realise it but I am just trying to explain the point.

Like VR support as the rest of the bloody game has.

Yes, I specifically took that example rather than dinosaur hunting because I actually agree with the criticism and complaining. I just think it isn't necessarily relevant for the quality of the expansion.

Making an annoucement about 'X' before launch makes complaining about 'X' (or lack thereof) invalid?

Yes, under certain circumstances it does. Of course it's perfectly fine to complain and whine, if you are giving something a bad review for it is a slightly different topic though. It's more like a protest thing in my opinion and not so much about Odyssey being crap in general (which was the original topic if I am allowed to remind you).

I agree to disagree, though I'll dully note it's only been in the last year that you and others have become the connoisseurs of (negative) ED reviews now that they aren't sweet and rosy.

Please stop the trolling. You know nothing about me. You can't even remember that I just said the current mixed reviews are deserved due to the poor state of the game.

I didn't, go ask those who did. It doesn't take much imagination to come up with at least one reason.

I think it's pretty obvious that I wasn't talking about you.

Since when are reviews arguments?

Do you have a point?

Oh great, you did come up with a reason.

Yeah, it might surprise you but I am actually not as stupid as you probably think I am.

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. I hope you got it.

PS
By the way, so far it appears like you are arguing mostly semantics without actually understanding what I meant in my original post. I don't blame you for that, my English is far from perfect and arguing on the internet doesn't make it easier. It's just that it's getting boring to explain perfectly reasonable opinions to total strangers.

 

[BigBANGtheory [VR]]

Lots of people give it a bad review for nonsensical reasons like no VR support, no ship interiors, FPS instead of full atmospheric planets, etc. Nothing of that was ever announced to be part of Odyssey, so these people aren't reviewing the game, they are just complaining that they don't get what they want. That reminds me of my 4 years old daughter by the way.

So firstly a lot of players have the Lifetime Pass based on announcements in the early stages of release such as 'built to support VR', and had no other option they got Odyssey as-is like it or not.

Secondly in order to pull off a good space legs experience Frontier absolutely had to deliver something that made it worth while and is properly integrated into the base game in order for it to succeed. You don't need to be a games designer to understand that concept... yet somehow Frontier either didn't care or went ahead anyway and released something that failed on both those points. It's not complaining about not getting something they want, its complaining about something that was necessary in order to deliver a good quality experience especially when you've announced to your community that you're gonna disappear for years in order to focus on a large good quality update/expansion... that's the 3rd thing that Frontier failed to deliver.

You can't hide behind a bizarre lawyer led thinking that goes along the lines of "well we never said it would be any good, what's the problem." Odyssey was total garbage, that's not subjective opinion when enough people feel that way its a commercial and critical failure that has damaged Frontiers reputation. Frontier announce a large publisher sale this weekend and new titles coming out.... Err no I don't think so, get Elite back on track then market other stuffz

...and I don't even mind about ship interiors not being in, nor have I left a bad steam review. In fact even on the VR front if I could just remove my HMD and play seamlessly on a monitor without having to restart the game that would be tolerable

 

[Old Duck]

So firstly a lot of players have the Lifetime Pass based on announcements in the early stages of release such as 'built to support VR', and had no other option they got Odyssey as-is like it or not.

AFAIK lifetime pass players are not leaving Steam reviews, because they get their updates directly from Frontier.

Secondly in order to pull off a good space legs experience Frontier absolutely had to deliver something that made it worth while and is properly integrated into the base game in order for it to succeed.

The fellow you're replying to said, "Lots of people give it a bad review for nonsensical reasons like no VR support, no ship interiors, FPS instead of full atmospheric planets, etc. Nothing of that was ever announced to be part of Odyssey, so these people aren't reviewing the game, they are just complaining that they don't get what they want." I find myself agreeing with him when it comes to a Steam review, because why would anyone buy Odyssey in the first place knowing that it is not the game they were hoping for? That's like me ordering a pepperoni pizza and leaving a bad review on Yelp because I wasn't given a mushroom pizza.

Now complaining here in the forum that Frontier should have focused on making "normal" pizzas instead of pepperoni and chocolate chip pizzas, that I think is fair and warranted, but that's radically different than leaving a review on Steam.

Odyssey was total garbage, that's not subjective opinion when enough people feel that way its a commercial and critical failure that has damaged Frontiers reputation.

One area that I will agree with Steam reviewers is when you compare the promotional video for Odyssey with the actual gameplay of Odyssey (disclaimer - I'm basing this on watching other people play). Frontier has always been good at making their games look way better in those videos than they actually are, and while "false advertising" probably is a bit of a stretch, I do understand the disappointment people feel when they think they will get the performance, visuals, and gameplay that's advertised in the videos, screenshots, and promotional text, only to find the reality falls way short of the sales pitch. That of course is very different than buying Odyssey expecting ship interiors and being "surprised" at their absence.

Just so you know where I stand regarding Odyssey itself, if I were to buy Odyssey today, I'm pretty sure I would give it a negative review, but then again, that's why I'm not buying Odyssey today.

 

[babelfisch]

@BigBANGtheory [VR] You are quoting the wrong person...

@Old Duck Thanks for the balanced post, glad to see that my reasoning isn't entirely moronic. Just a minor correction, LEPers actually can leave a steam review if they linked their Frontier account to Steam.

PS
Just another minor correction, it looks like I am wrong.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Yeah, maybe you didn't realise it but I am just trying to explain the point.


Yes, I specifically took that example rather than dinosaur hunting because I actually agree with the criticism and complaining. I just think it isn't necessarily relevant for the quality of the expansion.

Yes, under certain circumstances it does. Of course it's perfectly fine to complain and whine, if you are giving something a bad review for it is a slightly different topic though. It's more like a protest thing in my opinion and not so much about Odyssey being crap in general (which was the original topic if I am allowed to remind you).

Please stop the trolling. You know nothing about me. You can't even remember that I just said the current mixed reviews are deserved due to the poor state of the game.


I think it's pretty obvious that I wasn't talking about you.

Do you have a point?

Yeah, it might surprise you but I am actually not as stupid as you probably think I am.

Yes, seriously. I hope you got it.

PS
By the way, so far it appears like you are arguing mostly semantics without actually understanding what I meant in my original post. I don't blame you for that, my English is far from perfect and arguing on the internet doesn't make it easier. It's just that it's getting boring to explain perfectly reasonable opinions to total strangers.

I'm far too gone to keep up the snarky point per point replies so I'll just reiterate, reviews are opinions, not arguments. Gnashing your teeth and clutching your pearls about them is a waste of time.

 

[The Lawful]

I'm far too gone to keep up the snarky point per point replies so I'll just reiterate, reviews are opinions, not arguments. Gnashing your teeth and clutching your pearls about them is a waste of time.

Could be the same is true about posting anything in this shark pond thread. Unfortunately, you didn't convince me of the opposite fo far. But why should you anyway

Trusty Babelfish, though, once conceived a true meme about LEP entitlement holding the forums together, and lo! I found truth! here. So, given that, where are you appearing?

O7,

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Could be the same is true about posting anything in this shark pond thread. Unfortunately, you didn't convince me of the opposite fo far. But why should you anyway

I unironically think the premise of the thread is a waste of time and indeed I'm wasting my time here (hence why I'm not going to bother posting essays/proofs here, I've got plenty of those elsewhere).

 

[babelfisch]

I'm far too gone to keep up the snarky point per point replies so I'll just reiterate, reviews are opinions, not arguments. Gnashing your teeth and clutching your pearls about them is a waste of time.

Can't see how that's related but

 

[Riverside]

I unironically think the premise of the thread is a waste of time and indeed I'm wasting my time here (hence why I'm not going to bother posting essays/proofs here, I've got plenty of those elsewhere).

I entirely agree with this stance. Steam reviews are opinions of individuals that own the game, and any single review can be based on incorrect or subsequently improved issues that user perceived at the time.

If there is the possibility of a conspiracy against the game or the pDLC (an influencer persuading their audience for example, or a reddit bomb) there is an equal possibility that other reviews are the result of a concerted attempt by fans to raise the overall average review level up.

Both are possible and the credibility of steam aggregate reviews by the individual can take that into account or not as the user pleases.

 

[babelfisch]

Could be the same is true about posting anything in this shark pond thread. Unfortunately, you didn't convince me of the opposite fo far. But why should you anyway

Trusty Babelfish, though, once conceived a true meme about LEP entitlement holding the forums together, and lo! I found truth! here. So, given that, where are you appearing?

O7,

That was back in 2019 when everyone was still in love with ED cough cough

The LEP-entitlement is what gives a poster his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the forums together.

 

[The Lawful]

That was back in 2019 when everyone was still in love with ED cough cough

That was back in 1989 and we've seen all this before, haven't we?

Source: https://youtu.be/KPJqC1HLWZ8

May there always be a Castillo to provide reason and contrast.

O7,

 

[Darkfyre99]

One area that I will agree with Steam reviewers is when you compare the promotional video for Odyssey with the actual gameplay of Odyssey (disclaimer - I'm basing this on watching other people play). Frontier has always been good at making their games look way better in those videos than they actually are, and while "false advertising" probably is a bit of a stretch, I do understand the disappointment people feel when they think they will get the performance, visuals, and gameplay that's advertised in the videos, screenshots, and promotional text, only to find the reality falls way short of the sales pitch. That of course is very different than buying Odyssey expecting ship interiors and being "surprised" at their absence.

That’s one of those reasons why disclaimers of “in engine” raise a red flag for me these days when it comes to promotional videos and screen shots. I can take an absolutely beautiful screenshot in EDO if I turn on all the bells and whistles and take a “high definition” screen shot, but it would take the game nearly a second to do so, and certainly won’t look as good at the settings I keep EDO at to get good performance in Settlements.

 

[Erei]

That’s one of those reasons why disclaimers of “in engine” raise a red flag for me these days when it comes to promotional videos and screen shots. I can take an absolutely beautiful screenshot in EDO if I turn on all the bells and whistles and take a “high definition” screen shot, but it would take the game nearly a second to do so, and certainly won’t look as good at the settings I keep EDO at to get good performance in Settlements.

We used to have a "ultraforcapture" settings for EDO release, which has since been removed, with the whole settings changed over time.
Due to the name, to how it was written (no space, all caps), the performance hit and "beauty" gain, also the fact it was not available for everyone (for some reason), it was supposed to be a special setting to make all the promotional stuff, and was not intended for the game release. But they forgot to remove it.

Similar to No Man's Sky who had their trailer with a "all procedural planet", which was pre-made/scripted and they forgot to remove it from the game files upon launch.


The laws about numeric content are muddy enough so that it's difficult to prove and win. Even NMS who was very much not like advertised and had the literal world they used in files didn't lost in court. Because it's too muddy, especially when it comes to proc gen. Can you absolutely prove it can never happen ? OFC not, technically speaking, there is always a chance.

I mean, Ubisoft have been doing untruthful trailers for ages. They use options that are not in the game release to make their games look much prettier than they are.

 

[Fizzatron]

Some people do believe that yes. And if pushed, they'll say those 6000 account are mostly bots and such.

Who are some people?

 

[Fizzatron]

Interesting observation. Seems just as it looks like recent reviews of Odyssey on Steam could be headed towards putting Odyssey into the Positive rating, and what a surprise, a spike of 25 negative reviews in four days. Compare that to 31 negative reviews from just under the previous month.

And what do a proportion of those reviews contain? Just go get Star Citizen, you need the best GPU to run this game, Arx prices have doubled (?), FDev will shut the game down this year, FDev bad, cash grab... etc..

I wonder what the next few days will bring, seeing as it's on sale..

 

[Old Duck]

[Previous thoughts redacted after some consideration and additional evidence]

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

Interesting observation. Seems just as it looks like recent reviews of Odyssey on Steam could be headed towards putting Odyssey into the Positive rating, and what a surprise, a spike of 25 negative reviews in four days. Compare that to 31 negative reviews from just under the previous month.

And what do a proportion of those reviews contain? Just go get Star Citizen, you need the best GPU to run this game, Arx prices have doubled (?), FDev will shut the game down this year, FDev bad, cash grab... etc..

I wonder what the next few days will bring, seeing as it's on sale..

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