Game is too CRUEL

Bad luck Cmdr. But it serves as a sage reminder to others to never ever ever put so many of your eggs in the basket that you are flying without insurance.

I fully agree, if your in that much of a rush and you don't have insurance then I have not much sympathy. I know that sounds harsh but we all come into the game with our eyes open especially if you'd been in since beta.

I personally keep a minimum of twice the insurance I need to replace the craft I'm using because you never know when crap may happen.
 
Lol, nah...ull b back, ED luvs you.
So many threads like this where players dont take responsibilty for their own mistakes..its not the games fault.
 
Oh good the pre-paid insurance argument again. So what happens when you crash your ship with no money, how do you pre-pay the next insurance?

Oh and by the way you didn't manage to spell '' correctly in your image.

Lol isn't this the 2nd time he's done that? He posted a previous ragequit rant when he crashed his Asp with no insurance too IRCC.

Or it could just all be masterful trolling.
 
Bad luck Cmdr. But it serves as a sage reminder to others to never ever ever put so many of your eggs in the basket that you are flying without insurance.

No, they will never learn that way. Lessons are only learned when it happens to yourself, it seems. Otherwise, it's always "I can outrun an interdiction. I would never boost into a station. Only noobs run out of fuel."

I'm sure I said all those things in one version of beta or another, and I bet you did also. Now I grimace, sell a component from my ship, and take a quarter of my max cargo until I can afford insurance again, because I've learned the painful lesson about how Dangerous Elite can be. I also know the satisfaction of rebuking my 64 cargo rack and taking a full load of cargo again. I know the satisfaction of reaching my first million again. Of the first 10 million again.

People that rage-quit instead of learn a valuable lesson are perhaps not fit for this game, but I think most people that make these posts just need to blow off some steam and then they'll start rebuilding.
 
The Path To Elite

*** The Forum Ghost Of Mods Past Returns ***

Or maybe part of what it takes to be Elite is the ability to manage your finances!

This. When you play Elite you must, simply must take a holistic approach to playing it. Every journey can be fraught with danger. Always ask yourself, have I minimised the risks as best as I can? If not what could be the consequences? Can I pull myself out of a sticky situation if I need to? Can I fly this ship good enough to evade? If not run drills in deep space. Get your escape procedure down to a point that it happens automatically.

Being Elite is more than just killing loads of ships, making pots of cash or owning the most powerful ships in the game. Its all these things and more and the only "score" the only benchmark in the game to aim for is those you set for yourself because at the end of the day the most important benchmark isn't even listed in the game. It how you grow as a pilot, the knowledge you gather on the road (or rather in space) that is the true path to Elite. Basically then don't focus on the material focus instead on yourself. When that understanding happens you will find everything else falls into place. Mistakes and failures will always be more useful in learning and helping you along that road to Elite than success ever will.

Fly safe out there Commanders

*** Oh well back to the æther ***
 
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Bad luck Cmdr. But it serves as a sage reminder to others to never ever ever put so many of your eggs in the basket that you are flying without insurance.


^ This x 1000

You made two glaring rookie mistakes and paid the price for them. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on, no need to quit over it.
 
I personally haven't lost a ship yet (knock wood), but I'd imagine you'd downgrade the ship so you can afford to pay for insurance. That's just a natural corollary to the "don't fly a ship you can't afford" chant that you hardliners keep spouting. Sell that type A FSD and fit a type B.

So you either force players to do that, in which case the whines continue, or you don't, in which case players crash without insurance and the whines continue.
 
So the whole "insurance" concept feels a little backwards to me. Don't you typically buy insurance up front? You know, you go to the store and buy that nice new LED TV and the person at the counter always offers you two years worth of insurance. Would be neat if there were a similar mechanic in game. You buy a new piece of gear and the price is different with and without insurance. Same with ships. Your new Cobra is (for example) 300K without insurance and 330K with insurance.
 
I have skipped the 12 pages previously just to wonder why this thread deserves 13 pages of responses?

"I put all my money on black and it came up red...wahhh"

Indeed.


It would've taken the OP less than a day to acquire the finances to buy back his ship. Rage quit.
 
Something similar happened to me a few days back with my newly acquired type 6. I buy it, I make the neccesary modifications, buy out a full cargo to start trading. This thing left me with around 80k Cr (at least it was barely covering the insurance, thank God!)

So, I attempt to get out of the station and while I was within the "narrow bluish foggy thing" at the exit, I got hit by an other ship out of nowhere. I lost control crushing around and left with 20% hull (no shields equiped) and at the same time the station began count down. Long story short, I didn't make it alive.

I got back the ship via the insurance but lost all of my cargo and my money with it. So I sold the type 6 and bought back the cobra to save some cash for my cargo purchase.

There are risks which can take you back to zero, sure. But you can proactively deal with them (most of them) and personally I think these types of misfortunes make the game more addicted.

Man, I was in a similar situation when I got my Type 6. x3 Had enough to cover the insurance, of course, but aaaaaaall the rest of my monies went into the ship and cargo, for a three-jump run. Thankfully, in my case it didn't end with horrible destruction, but dear God I was wound up like a spring from the moment I left the departure dock til the moment I arrived at my destination, and was safely nestled in the hanger. ....unfortunately, it took half a dozen or so such runs to develop much of a financial cushion, so ALL those runs were similarly tense. Exciting, yet at the same time if I had lost that cargo, I might have cried. x3 Even with the ship back, I wouldn't have had monies for cargo, and would have had to sell it to switch back to a Viper.

On the original topic, sure, insurance is generally paid before disaster. But insurance plans on, say, a vehicle also involve repeated payments over a period of time, with the payments increasing in size depending on whether you end up needing to cash in. Get in an accident, your premium could very well go up, sometimes considerably. In fact, the entire point of the insurance that 'makes sense' is that the company providing it is making a profit, which means squeezing the consumer to make sure that, as a whole, they're getting more money than they're giving; you're not just paying them for that one day your ship gone blown up, for example. You're also paying them on the other fifteen days your ship DIDN'T get blown up. Go six months without getting blown up? Too bad, still paying insurance! Because if you STOP paying that insurance, and then die... well, it's back to zero for you!

Now, if the folks against the current system don't mind paying more money, (probably significantly more money) over the long run for a new, 'realistic' insurance plan, then okay! Let's make that an option, I guess, you guys can have the money taken from your account every so often, regardless of whether or not you die, and anyone who doesn't want to pay that premium can simply opt to remain with the pay-on-death plan. But somehow I doubt many people balking at 'pay on death' insurance want to go so far as 'pay several times as much' insurance either. o_O

As for the case of OP, if you died with 2900 credits... I mean, man, it isn't even the whole 'save money for insurance thing,' it's actually obvious that you made a CONSCIOUS decision to spend that money. o_O Rather than just losing track and being slightly, or even moderately, below the required balance. I can see no way a person can just forget to keep several hundred thousand credits on hand, so since this isn't a case of the game being too obtuse for you to recognize what you were doing, and since by extension it was a situation into which you willingly entered (fully aware of the consequences) I really do have to join the general chorus of 'Only Yourself To Blaaaame!'

Now, I DO believe that steps should be taken, (similar to the preflight checklist,) to make sure brand new players are aware that this rule exists. Not a hand holding reminder throughout the game, mind you, but just a clear and unavoidable 'DON'T BE AN IDIOT' PSA at the beginning that will help any newbies accustomed to a slightly more cushiony death penalty.
 
]Well it doesn't really matter now as of 30 December my girlfriend called an ambulance and sent me tohospital I have basically suffered huge/stroke which has paralysed my left side I can't use my leg or my arm perhaps after rehabilitation this will come back but it will take time so at the moment I'm currently sat in a hospital bed with my iPhone reading the messages from you guys . anyway cmdrs, I hope you're having fun thanks to everybody who is replying to this thread debating the mechanic.for those who just want to flame no issues comparison losing 17 million credits is just a drop in the oceanand means nothin. Happy New Years to everyone. Thanks for a great game Fd. I enjoyed wha time I did have.
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I stiil don't understand how insurance works yet. every time I have died the game lent me the money to buy every thing back. the last time was a 100k out of the 200k max rite. it seems that the game insures roughly the 1st 20 million?

why didn't the OP here get the 200k loan on the 1st 20 mill?
if I have 50 mill in a ship.. the game lends me 200k of the 500k replacement cost rite? I need too have 300k saved?? do I understand correctly ??

does cargo ever have insurance?

thanks
 
This game is cruel? Man you should try EVE Online. It makes ED the land of unicorns and rainbows in comparison. You ship blowing up should have consequences.
 
every minute can be wiped in the blink of an eye

This is one of the best features of the game. Being exceedingly reckless can have painful consequences.

Personally, I think insurance covers a bit too much of ship cost, and there are too many ways to easily mitigate or negate risks, but I am very glad that is possible to lose everything if I put absolutely everything in one ship then get it blown up.
 
I am starting to think that the mechanic should perhaps display a warning if you spend so much you cannot then cover the insurance.

The problem is that it is easy to forget about insurance or for you not to realize that you have not left enough for insurance. I have accidentally done this myself a few times and I am a careful personality. Luckily for me each time I accidentally did that I did not blowup my ship so all was good. However I do have sympathy for those who forgot/did not realize about the insurance then died and ended up at square one. This is rather draconian situation and for all those saying it is your fault are not really being helpful for the overall situation. There could be a warning mechanic applied and then if someone chooses to ignore that then at that point it would be their own fault to start at square one again.
 
I am starting to think that the mechanic should perhaps display a warning if you spend so much you cannot then cover the insurance.

The problem is that it is easy to forget about insurance or for you not to realize that you have not left enough for insurance. I have accidentally done this myself a few times and I am a careful personality. Luckily for me each time I accidentally did that I did not blowup my ship so all was good. However I do have sympathy for those who forgot/did not realize about the insurance then died and ended up at square one. This is rather draconian situation and for all those saying it is your fault are not really being helpful for the overall situation. There could be a warning mechanic applied and then if someone chooses to ignore that then at that point it would be their own fault to start at square one again.

Nope , Nope and Nope !
This is not Farmville! The game is easy enough as is , don make it trivial.
Everybody who bought the game got a manual they could read. (this subject I will not discuss further)
I mean for Aldebarrans sake, it has been discussed in umpteen threads what happens if you are greedy.
When I bought the game , I actually READ the manual for a start , even being a 1984 guy and a old fart too ( was 27 when I began)
I hope this does not turn into Eliteville : Safety Belt.
I do not want to offend anyone, but this game needs to become tough to survive. Its not an Ipad Fling.

Cheers Cmdr's
 
If ship is insured for 95% (and it said so in statistics), I should get 95% money back when I can not pay 5% for repairs. This is not "one of the best features of the game". This is misunderstanding of how insurance policy works in real life.

Btw. Just lost newly bought Type-7 because forgot to request docking, and didn't backout in time (was destroyed in front of station) That is about 40 hours of gameplay gone, just like that.
 
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