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General / Off-Topic Game of Thrones - Season 8 (Potential spoilers inside)
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The breath weapon was one of many examples, but I disagree with your assertions and equivalences here.
Some of the same gouts of flame seen engulfing then slowly burning presumably mundane humans to death and leaving intact corpses are causing the explosive destruction of heavy stone fortifications. That's a pretty glaring inconsistency.
Wildfire, as powerful as it was, was far more consistent. It essentially always exploded and at close range, in large quantities, it tore people apart, leaving little, if anything behind.
Dragonfire is all over the place in effect, even within the same use.
Everything the dragons come into contact with seems to become cursed with context defying inconsistency and silliness. Even such fundamentals as inertia and gravity...we see these at work in every episode, with at least some regard for making them behave in a recognizable way...then we see D and J in aerial combat, largely ignoring both as their dragons maneuver wildly.
Sometimes - sometimes a smaller cross section is, apparently, "easier" to hit.
From first hand experience - firing a semi-automatic pistol at a static man-shaped outline target (with no distinguishing features in the centre of mass like you often get printed on man-shaped paper targets) in a "rapid fire two to the body, two to the head" firing order, it was a revelation to me that most human individuals who could shoot straight get the grouping size of their head shots far, far tighter and more central in the head outline, than the spread and placing of the grouping of shots to the body outline.
There's probably a psychological explanation for that and something to do with the concentration required and mental care invested to hit a smaller target versus a larger target.
Similarly, I find concentrating on driving that much easier and can anticipate and plan everything better when I'm driving fast compared to when I'm driving slowly - and this has probably got something to do with mental arousal state (if you've ever seen a stress/arousal versus performance curve - you know that being under-aroused means that you will perform less well than when in a more optimum state of mental stress or arousal - but, of course, the performance also drops off if the stress becomes "too much")
What I am saying it they could be linked, there is an established lore of substances than when ignited explode with significant force, seeing as we have no idea what Dragons can and can't do I will just presume they can produce some sort of similar substance.
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I've found this season to be a mixed bag. Some really good moments, but with some really dumb bigger moments and some really bad plot decisions.
I wasn't saying it was the "same" thing, just that a substance was acquired through "arcane" means, it could be a substance similar to what dragons can produce, my point is we don't know.
How do you know some sort of globule is not spat out with the regular flames, once again we don't know.
Seeing as we have an established fact that only Targaryans can fly Dragons depicts some sort of bond/skill/ability that no-one else has. Also I don't think within the realms of known physics/reality a dragon could even fly to begin with, so why moan about high g manouvers when the basic flight is impossible, your ability to suspend disbelief in some areas and not others is the only inconsistency I see here.
I agree the writers rewrote the rules about the scorpions, but the other way to what you suggest. they should never have been depicted to be as effective Vs the Dragons as they were. It belittled the dragons to be taken out so easily.
Yes there were 140 scorpions, how many could be brought to bear at any one time? And once again diving out of the sun negated ANY possibility of hitting Drogon with the head on attack when Dany/Drogon was fully aware of what they were up against.....it would have made FAR more sense with two dragons I admit, those writers did a good job of adpating GRRM's books but cannot match it when writing on their own. e.g. sending the Dothraki Horde out on a suicide charge... I mean what commander would do that?
I have plenty of gripes about the writing just the Scorpions and dragon breath ability are low down on my list of pet hates this series!!
Agree but with a caveat, that's with a semi auto weopon, the scorpions are not. The larger target was still the first target, also not a moving target, if the targets where moving would the groupings/hits be the same? Drogon was shown to be jinking to avoid hits.
I'm same as you with driving, I rode bikes for years and often fast. But my eyes were on stalks and I was in a hyper concentrated state. I feel less safe relaxed now in a car driving a lot slower.
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It was rushed, I agree. They needed a few more episodes to see her decent into madness. But it doesn't bother me too much and I am still thoroughly enjoying the series.
I would even be willing to forgive stupid plot decisions, characters acting out of character and other things.
That's just pure writing and they could defend it (somewhat). But the cinematography itself went to the dogs, as well and that's a problem for me.
Personally I was mainly looking forward to the epic battles. After all, they were boasting they're going to beat the battle of Helm's Deep.
Yeah, right.
Nonsensical duelling (that at least is a "classical" movie battle trope), nonsensical tactical decisions and use of military units (sacrificing cavalry as a front line, repeatedly refusing to use artillery, defending battlements with troops (like, seriously. You have a huge wall right behind you! Stand ON it and BEHIND it, not in front of it!)) shaky cam, really crappy CGI (not always, but often enough for it to be immersion breaking),...
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So, the White Walkers are Scottish? Hmm... Scottish love whiskey. Johnny Walker is a whiskey. The Walkers probably love Walker.
Theory confirmed!
1. It's called money and raw ambition. Both of which are the apparent drivers pushing the show runners to complete this epic fantasy series in a mere 8 EPs.
2. EP 8 should've been 16 well paced EPs. However, refer to #1 for why this was not so. Life is good if you're a GoT writer. Just sayn':
https://geektyrant.com/news/the-new...ame-of-thrones-creators-seems-to-be-a-trilogy
3. Well IMO Voyager had the best, most satisfactory, and comprehensive ending for all characters in the Trek series triology (i.e. NG, DS9 & Voy). All of the character arcs in the end game were well thought out and executed. Especially liked how the show runners tied up loose ends that could get overlooked on secondary main characters like Nelix. Producers could've let him leave Voyager off screen. But opted to give him a reason for leaving the show (gave him a new family/adopted son to nurture). And then gave him a full official send off with complete military bells and whistles. Even then, they still paid homage to Nelix by using him to further develop Seven's character (her romantic development with Chakotay).
Sure, enough wild contrivance can explain anything. However, it's absurd and was completely unnecessary.
The only special bond required for the Targaryans to ride dragons would have been the tolerance of the dragons. Can't ride something that won't let you near. Some kind of saddle would also have gone a long way.
The flame breath didn't need outlandish and changeable powers. It was potent enough when it was depicted as normal fire. Even the scale of the destruction at King's Landing (complete overkill, btw) would have been possible simply by igniting the stores of wildfire left around the city specifically to destroy it!
Dragon flight capabilites could have been reined in to more credible levels and the dragons could have been given proportionally larger wings, or as a last resort, some inherent magical property could have been ascribed to them in some manner previously.
I'm a path of least resistance/Occam's Razor type guy and I like consistency. You can throw it out the window in favor of ludicrous redundancies, but then I won't buy your Blu-Rays, bother with any more of your novels, or come back to your gaming table.
There's still that 0.00001% chance she'll recover from her mental lapse. Acknowledge Jon has the superior claim to the Throne as the last, legal and only living male heir to the Targaryen dynasty. Thank Tyrion for his service and discharge him to Jon's service as Aegon's new Hand for Westeros.
Then pack up what's left of her Dothraki/Unsullied troops and set sail for Meereen. Where she is genuinely loved and admired by both the people and Dario as the Queen of Essos.
But of course not. This is GoT.
But Dany's madness has nothing on me if the producers brainfart in this week's finale. If Arya pulls another one of her femme Nikita Facless chick moves and murders Dany, I'm going to lose my E. Coli
I guess I'm going to buy the entire GoT book series. Slowly explore, enjoy and discover the rich lore of the GoT universe. And wait for the true endgame the way RR Martin has envisioned.
- Like putting all the defenceless women and children inside the crypts. Where they could be promptly murdered by the Stark dead once the NK recruited them into his service.
- Like Brieanne, Jamie, Beric and Pod being constantly swarmed by undead Wights. Yet never died once (spoiler: god mode plot armor)
- Like a weaponless Sam in a pile of dead bodies, valiantly keeping all the Wights at bay with a flood of salt water, while everyone else is being swarmed & ripped apart by the dead.
- Like Bran selfishly opting to binge watch BranTV the whole damned battle. By uselessly wragging into those crows. Which promptly either got killed and/or froze to death mid air in that NK blizzard
- Dany going characteristically rogue and abdicating the battlefield with Drogon
- Jon going uncharacteristically rogue and following her dumb a*** abdicating the battlefield on Rhaegar.
- Like that mindless strategy to charge of the entire Dothraki calvary at the undead zombie Wight army. While the generals sit back and passively watching the whole affair...
- Like the 100% illogical inverted battle formation of Dany's entire army formation.
- Putting the calvary line units BEFORE the infantry, all of which were stacked a dozen or so man deep.
- Putting the infantry BEFORE those trebuchets.
- Positioning the trebuchets BEFORE the castle walls and at GROUND LEVEL so they could be easily overrun by the enemy. smh.
- Not placing the ENTIRE army to defensively hold the courtyard/castle walls.
- Positioning the ENTIRE army (to include Northmen/Free Folk units the most likely to retreat) OUTSIDE the walls and BEFORE those shallow 10' trenches that would impede any effective unit retreat.
- NOT placing those flaming fire trebuchets INSIDE the walls at an elevated point to maximize their efficiency.
- NOT digging deeper trenches. Not filling these with oil/pitch. Red woman NOT thinking to pre light the blasted things the way she did the Dothraki swords
- Putting the entire army outside the gates with only 1 choke point aka the gate as the only point of entry
Too much dumb and dumber in that one EP to rage on over. The entire EP was surreal in a Pythonesque way. All to the tune of the Benny Hill theme song playing continuously in the background.....
Dany should've vaporized Tyrion on the spot for coming up with that insane battle formation. I'm shocked Jon, Bree or Jamie failed to say anything about it. Because none of this made any sense just by looking at their planning map in that war room.
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Ah, if you are going on about the battle, its worth looking at some of the analysis by medieval youtubers. One or two are saying some of the decisions taken were not that wrong or dumb (not saying this was due to some brilliance by the writers, it could have just been dumb luck they got some things right).
An example is that some are saying it was stupid to have the troops in front of the walls. When you have a castle you stay inside the castle. But the counterpoint was that there simply was no space inside the castle for all the troops and it was even mentioned in the show at one point that there wasn't room in the castle for everyone.
Now, i'm not defending the whole series or that episode per se, but some of what people are raging about was actually the right thing to do... not a majority, but some things.
Overall though, i think people are taking it all a little too seriously. Sure, sloppy writing and direction, but its just a TV series, not life or death.
And like i said, some good moments, especially between Arya and the Hound and Jamie and Tyrion.