No, you are missing the point. You've had months to complain, now is not the time so shut it. You mentioned courtesy, where's yours?
ANNOUNCEMENT Gamescom Reveals - Fleet Carrier Details
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No, you are missing the point. You've had months to complain, now is not the time so shut it. You mentioned courtesy, where's yours?
The Fleet Carriers free-update is the next one, is on-schedule for Q2 2020, with details to come Very Soon™.
The New Era paid-update is on-schedule for Q4 2020, with details to come sometime in Summer.
Zimms - always sweet to hear your unopinionated self. Given your "airtight" defense of the devs months before Covid was a thing, you were always ok waiting no matter how many delays. That's your prerogative. Given that the industry is rather uniquely situated for remote work, I was asking for updates on the same thing I've been posting about before. So whine away at me, my opinion stand the same as yours.
The GAME had material updates in September. They were not of content that you were interested in, but they were significant.
If I was considering moving 100 developers to home working, I would be over-joyed if they were all working at full efficiency two weeks later. Just setting up the VPNs and walking people through remote log-in will take that long. Then there are the changes to work-styles that need to be made. They are going to be slower than normal for at least a few weeks even if the technology is seamless, and that's unlikely.
Add to that the few that do get COVID-19, which at its most mild is like a very bad episode of flu, and you are losing a person-week of productive work at a time. If we hit 50% infection within three months, then that's a person-year of development lost. Some of those people are going to be on the critical path and add directly to the schedule. For example, maybe someone is adjusting some 3D models and gets sick. Those models will be a week or two late.
It's unfortunate but they will have to be very lucky not to slip, no matter how hard they try not to.
Again, I'm asking for an update or roadmap with specifics on what is being worked on - rather than this veil of secrecy for a grand "surprise." That would have been cool two years ago, but it's not fair to the community anymore. While spacelegs has been hinted at, it has not been formally confirmed (Am I wrong here? If yes, please do link). What else can we expect in the final end of year update that will be so significant as aforementioned?
While I am excited for fleet carriers, outside of details released last year, there has been no further information on the game mechanics behind them and other release details.
I understand that COVID will be a disruption. I make the case for openness and information - something the developers have not been good with imo.
That's not just your opinion. Many people are unhappy with the lack of meaningful communication.
I don't recall being the person that wrote a Global Pandemic is a convenient excuse not to ship a game expansion when promised.
Let's see. The Fleet carriers, as Imski noted, should have been pretty much ready at this point, given that they were promised oh so long ago. And even if not released, they could at least as he noted "Just give a list with some facts and everyone will be happy. Rough cost, what can they do, how to fuel etc. All things they should have finalized since last fall at least."
But sure, go off on a rant about entitlement. Hard to imagine that typing up a list of some facts or providing information (or doing something interesting like going behind the scenes in the development) is asking too much. I think most of us write emails at home, even during this global pandemic. The devs have been notoriously bad at communicating for years now - so defending them while being 'holier than though' is what I was calling out.
What about the news about FCs they've mentioned after the charity stream? 3 weeks have past already......news? Nothing.....
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The new tutorial, the Pilot's Federation starter area and Arx? In terms of game content, that really wasn't a significant update.
The new tutorial itself was basically just pre-existing information condensed into one, poorly implemented tutorial that still lacks vital information for beginners (what to do with pips?).
The PF beginner zone really shouldn't take that long to implement, adding a few assets to new systems and setting up some triggers.
Between these two most of the work probably went into the voice acting more than anything else.
The Arx update undoubtedly was the most work. Congratulations - a lot of labour put into introducing an anti-consumer currency layer that prevents people from gifting cosmetics and at the same time introduced so many bugs into the game they're still not ironed out. But that's still not content ...
The common theme of all that content is it's about money grabbing new players and doing nothing about player retention.
The only content that's been provided for existing players has been the stretched out interstellar initiatives which, despite how they were pumped up, turned out to be nothing more than the ideas-hat community goals strung together. Which are now apparently on hold indefinitely, along with galnet being reduced in scope until finally suspended at the same time. So - no new lore content being added into the game, no developments, until maybe Fleet Carriers come out (I'll believe that when it happens because so far all information on them has been two years of misinformation and delays) but probably actually New Era release at this rate.
By which point we'll have been 2 years without any meaningful updates focused on player retention or content to engage the existing player base. Just stuff to get new people playing a game where the existing community around it is dissipating.
Stephen said there would be an update on Fleet Carriers after the charity stream which despite being wonderfully ambiguous, if taken literally actually means there won't be an update before that point but no set date for an update to be given. Of course community mismanagement, ambiguous statements and a forum population so devoid of any real information or content this all gets snowballed into meaning everyone hyped themselves into getting information for that thing which presumably at this stage has been in development at least 18 months and has already been delayed twice before.
Don't believe anything about Fleet Carriers until they're in the game because up to this point you could write an essay on them as an example of how not to deal with a gaming community.
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Unless I've missed something, people are actually white knighting to defend FDev for delaying Fleet Carriers again, this time based on the claim of coronavirus changing work structures - in response to a meme picture somebody posted spoofing the monthly e-mail newsletter's format? I definitely can't find that information in any of the newsletters I've received, nor is it made apparent in the official statement on corona.
I do agree that the restructure of the work environment would be a legitimate reason for content to be delayed but maybe you guys should fact check before you rush to defend something that isn't true.
I do agree that the restructure of the work environment would be a legitimate reason for content to be delayed but maybe you guys should fact check before you rush to defend something that isn't true.
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I play since 2014 Elite Dangerous, i always support this game since 2014 but now ...
I'm tired of waiting. 2019 was nil .if nothing concrete as an announcement I drop the case.
this lack of communication has been going on since 2015 ...
It is 2020 and its starting to get drunk.
I support Elite, I can understand that development takes a long time but the lack of concrete information is just shameful and insulting towards the community.
I would have liked more communication. I prefer the content comes out in 3 years, it does not matter but at least I know what will happen.
I'm not a haters, I like this game but this one has a communication on the development and future project very low and ugly
I would have preferred to contribute in cash for the development than to stay in the ignorance ...
confinement to covid-19 makes impatience over this game insupportable...???
please give us information. only news and I have enough to do 2020 ...
Sorry for my english (so so)
fly safe and stayed at home.
I'm tired of waiting. 2019 was nil .if nothing concrete as an announcement I drop the case.
this lack of communication has been going on since 2015 ...
It is 2020 and its starting to get drunk.
I support Elite, I can understand that development takes a long time but the lack of concrete information is just shameful and insulting towards the community.
I would have liked more communication. I prefer the content comes out in 3 years, it does not matter but at least I know what will happen.
I'm not a haters, I like this game but this one has a communication on the development and future project very low and ugly
I would have preferred to contribute in cash for the development than to stay in the ignorance ...
confinement to covid-19 makes impatience over this game insupportable...???
please give us information. only news and I have enough to do 2020 ...
Sorry for my english (so so)
fly safe and stayed at home.
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If they are going to delay again, at least I expect an official statement, that can be done from home, or is that not even that frontier ...
Not really. What is far more tedious than waiting for the next Elite Dangerous Road Map is people regurgitating the same strawman arguements on posts about new content.
You just spent 20 minutes of your life writing a piece listing perceived small updates in 2019. For what reason? It is irrelevent to future content. Most people on here surely read and remembered the very loud and clear community post of March 2019 outlining the dev strategy through 2019 to end of 2020! So you are basically saying yes 2019 turned out as we were forewarned in March 2019? Lovely. So you can only be bitter about Fleet Carriers and throwing around random comments about ARX dev time to try and justify the sheer frustration of your wait. Yet its not like you have been literally sat waiting in the dark for 6 months. We were told they are delayed until 2nd Quarter 2020 in October 2019.
March 2019: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/important-community-update-01-03.479122/
October 2019: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/community-update-22-10.527123/
I guess one has to factor in the general impression of lowered efforts being applied to the Elite Dangerous development which turn into disappointment.
Once said to be progressed by paid-for seasons, which many will have assumed to mean annual periods which would result in meaningfull additions to the game on a yearly basis against payment of substantial amounts on the same yearly basis, it has come back to having seen 1 (in owrds: one) new paid-for season, Horizons, and then New Era might be the second, if it is released. This simply doesn't bode well for any long-term vision on the side of FDev because it will indeed kill the business case if they only get money from their existing user base once every couple of years. Which is a pity, because the game is just really a great sandbox just waiting to be brought to (more) life.
Once said to be progressed by paid-for seasons, which many will have assumed to mean annual periods which would result in meaningfull additions to the game on a yearly basis against payment of substantial amounts on the same yearly basis, it has come back to having seen 1 (in owrds: one) new paid-for season, Horizons, and then New Era might be the second, if it is released. This simply doesn't bode well for any long-term vision on the side of FDev because it will indeed kill the business case if they only get money from their existing user base once every couple of years. Which is a pity, because the game is just really a great sandbox just waiting to be brought to (more) life.
I think anyone who thinks that any plans are going to carry on as normal are completely deluded.
I’m sure FD will feel a social responsibility to release some updates but beyond that..in 2020. nah.
Regarding the working from home, I’ve noted for years FD’s lack of enthusiasm for remote working - there’s some sound reasons for this but I also think more flexibility in the post pandemic era will be beneficial.
I’m sure FD will feel a social responsibility to release some updates but beyond that..in 2020. nah.
Regarding the working from home, I’ve noted for years FD’s lack of enthusiasm for remote working - there’s some sound reasons for this but I also think more flexibility in the post pandemic era will be beneficial.
Wow, quite the call out with strong lack of reading comprehension. Dev "strategy" is different than actually providing details on what will come and what can be expected. Since the original announcement of fleet carriers, there have been no concrete details as to additional details behind implementation etc. Furthermore, complete lack of transparency on what we can expect in the next chapter at the end of FY20, just that it will be a grand ol' surprise. Will we have base building and space legs? How are they planning on implementing it? What other fundamental game changes await?
People are rightfully bitter about delays, lack of transparency and a disregard for a player base of which many have been here since 2014. So yes, not many other games have such loyal fanbases, and I think people can be bitter -- especially when the devs are notoriously bad at communicating with the fanbase on so many issues. Even a small example, like the update that we were supposed to get after the last livestream. It's been weeks with not a word. I know 2 person developer teams that are better at keeping people apprised of progress than the whole FDev staff.
A lot of us are sick of waiting for surprises, especially ones that get delayed while non-essential updates are rolled out or things are taken out of the game entirely. It does feel like the game is dying.
Thanks for your "20 minute" rant about other people's complaints though. Helpful.
Cheers <3
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Are you capable of reading or just say whatever you want whether or not it's relevant to what you're replying to?
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