"Ganking" is happening in this thread right now. Some people taking by-default stronger position like "I've made a ridiculous statement, now prove me wrong!" thus forcing other people to argue using common since and facts against that ridiculousness. That is not fair
Ganking People in Sol
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I mean, fair as defined by you.
They're not cheating but playing their own way, using the tools of the game to play the game.
I get you don't like this playstyle, but given the state of the game and your experience with it, you can't really be surprised this happened?
rootsrat
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There is an actual definition of fair-play in a competitive environment. This is not about cheating. I never said they cheated. I also never said I was surprised.
Which statement do you think was ridiculous?
This^^^ one. Prove me wrong.
What you quoted was not a statement. It was a question. Also, your calling something ridiculous predated it.
QED
Now it's your turn. Which statement did you think was ridiculous?
There was only one ridiculous statement, and it wasn't mine.
This one:
I asked if he could quote even a single ganker complaining about the lack of targets. It's not an outlandish request, this is literally how debates work. You have a statement, the burden of proof is on you to back it up.
I didn't see that at login @rootsrat , or in the T&Cs.
I can't see how your expectations of "fair play" would ever translate to how others play the game.
I do agree [that ganking behavior] is silly and perhaps unwelcome for some, but as long as no rules are being broken then it's just part of the game - you need to make your peace with it.
We can still advocate for improvements to Open OFC, but the current environment is known to most
Gankers were more common here in the past but you've already declared that their posts have some sort of expiry date.
Whilst what sticks in my mind was from the rares CGs of 3307 there is likely more recent stuff relating to the AXI PG, and given their recent statement I'm kind of expecting a wave of such comments in the not too distant future.
Or you can fly a paper small ship in/around a station when the gankers are about and tempt them into destroying you. Your couple of minimal losses will no way match the destruction of a G5 murderboat due to the station reacting and destroying them.
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No, its not a debate. Its more an R&A sessions on a very sick behavior of particular humans. Ganking of AX pilots (defenders of humanity against alien race) is unspeakably sick. But you need a links, answers, etc. on something what is (hopefully) important to particular you.
I don't have anything on me, this it is not my duty to debate / argue with you. In fact with every post we both (unfortunately for me) further and further away from initial OP topic. From now on we both stick to our opinions. I can't change yours, you can't change mine, that is absolutely fine and lets get back to the OP.
On my opinion, simplified to extreme: ganking is kind of running over sand castle children are building on the beach. Just ruining someones fun, construction, session of whatever they were doing. If they can kick your (abstract one, not yours in particular) batt in response that even brings more fun for ganker, since that is exactly what one was looking for.
How is another player to know, that a Commander in Open, doesn't want to engage? If you are in open, you have to assume you'll be attacked. It's part of the game, and everyone has options. Sand castles come and go, even without gankers.
I don't get anything out of making anyone sad. I'd just rather not have other player's be able to stop me from playing with some third-party because they happened to take offense at something.
Impractical without radical changes to the pseudo economy, escape/evasion gameplay, and matchmaking/networking. There are also player demographic hurdles.
Piracy (the PvP kind) barely worked in the early game and it mostly worked due to a large pool of inexperienced players, supported by the presence of choke points and high-value cargo.
Piracy after the game's first year has been largely (though not exclusively) consensual, which makes it not piracy at all, but pantomime...charitable donations gifted to those who dance a little jig for goods they don't need.
If it's not cheating, it's fair play. The game isn't what either of us would find ideal, but we're all playing by the same set of bad rules.
If Frontier cared to limit CMDR on CMDR violence, arbitrary blocking, or any other form of behavior that could leverage otherwise kosher tools to cause other players grief, they would have done so. They have not. And in any game that isn't predicated on a carefully vetted selection of players, any blame for the state of the game is on those who are responsible for drafting and enforcing the rules that are supposed to keep such a disparate group in line.
I haven't recognized any gankers among this thread's participants and have seen very few on the forum post-2017 or so. Those I still recognize generally don't even play the game anymore.
It's not that ganker's statements have an expiry date, it's that referencing those statements--which is rarely done except in vague, hyperbolic, and/or overtly biased ways--when arguing with this threads participants is at best confusing and at worst a pure strawman.
I'm positive my CMDR has murdered more humans than any collection of a dozen Thargoid interceptors. He's worked as gun for hire. He's traded slaves. He's sold weapons to both sides of conflicts. He's supplied drug peddlers. He's propped up tyrants and helped overthrow just governments. He's traded helpless victims to mad-scientist Engineers in exchange for ship mounted trinkets. He's done plenty of other things too, but it's hard to wash the blood of seventy-plus thousand direct victims and probably millions of indirect ones, off one's proverbial hands with a few incidental good deeds and an amicable demeanor toward other would-be war criminals.
When my CMDR gets in his "Thargoid Organ Harvester" (an AX Sidewinder with an utterly pretentious name, as it's never actually killed anything bigger than a scout) he doesn't magically stop being a far greater threat to humanity than any Thargoid could ever be. Funny thing is, most CMDRs (the in-game characters) are total scum, and no small portion of the ones who have been around as long as mine are responsible for even worse atrocities (a perusal of one's CMDR's statistics might be revealing here).
Personally, on the rare occasions another CMDR attacks mine when he's disadvantaged (such as when he's in that AX Sidewinder) I don't leap to the conclusion that the other party is any more 'sick' than the mean. Instead I assume that my CMDR had worked against them in the past and they see an opportunity for some revenge, or justice, or whatever. I'm even less likely to mistake the players controlling those CMDRs for wanting to upset me personally...if they wanted to do that, they'd just be wrong on the internet or something.
So, if you see someone AX-outfitted you will attach only because you both in Open? If yes, then all what I can say is that looks like all 3 modes as well as Ignore button are to stay forever. And that is brilliant solution!
Whether they know it or like it or anything else, when anyone playing this game clicks on open, they consent that they are fair game for anyone who runs across them regardless of predicaments or motivations. That is the reality, and I can not fault someone else for attacking me while in open because I have agreed to being anyone's content by entering the mode. I do want to play in a setting that is at least somewhat plausible though, so if everyone I run across is turning my surroundings into a battle royale that defies rational explanation, I'll go solo or group. For a game that does not have combat restrictions based off of faction allegiances, forcing a percentage of every players' interactions into non combat ones, I'm bit surprised it is as tame as it is. I suppose the vastness of the game more than any attempt of Frontier to sculpt things gets the bulk of the credit, but somehow this game in open has been 99% other people acting mostly like other sane people, rather than the purge, so it works out pretty good for me.
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enhanced AX multicannons
Is that the first or second generation of AX multi cannons? How would a new player know to bypass the first generation?
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pre-engineered is generally regarded or as an inferior or sidegrade
So an inferior second generation weapon now exists in game simultaneously with the equivalent or better first generation weapon. That implies an area for improvement by the devs - right? I'm a novice at AX combat (only a handful of interceptor kills) and I don't use the gauss typically, I use plasma, shards or enhanced AX multis, but how would I even know from the in-game content about these nuances? And trying to be on-topic, none of these items would effectively allow me to engage in PVP right?
Plus you also can't take modshards to a Titan
I assume this is because of the "antiguardian field"? I've been to titans to gather mats, but never to take one down. I have unlocked caustic sinks and have the Titan pulse neutralizaer at this point, but have never done Titan combat.
I worked so hard to gather the mats for the guardian modules, I was really put off but all of that lost time that I took a break from the game. I understand some folks bring AFMs to keep guardian stuff relevant to Titans, but that seems like an ineffective workaround to me. Titans seem like they could be a real turkey shoot for PVPrs, since conventional weapons are unaffected by the "antiguardian field".
I guess I must be in the minority in requesting that a more effective counter to the "antiguardian field" be made available since the enhanced AX human weapons and torps can get the job done at Titans. As an AX novice, it is really hard to suss out these specific builds from in-game content.
I still believe that raising the AX damage vs. human ships would help address the PVP imbalance raised by this thread.
Why the usual Hotel debate?
If a player doesn't wish to be a potential target, they have the ability to never be one.
If said player elects to be in open and their ship 'go boom', then come here and complain about it, they should perhaps consider precisely what they accepted when they chose open, surely?
This topic is certainly so circular it is just about spherical...
If a player doesn't wish to be a potential target, they have the ability to never be one.
If said player elects to be in open and their ship 'go boom', then come here and complain about it, they should perhaps consider precisely what they accepted when they chose open, surely?
This topic is certainly so circular it is just about spherical...
Well, I'm sure we can all agree, pixels are precious...