what i said: the message was "a mistake".
the "rectification" is even better!!!! now they've gone full psycho!
this is going to be fun indeed!
Give Yamiks an Alpha key!
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the "rectification" is even better!!!! now they've gone full psycho!
this is going to be fun indeed!
So basically, what I just said. Publishers don't want to work with content creators that they consider to be toxic or "off-brand". They should have been honest/transparent with him right from the start though.
I feel like this is best summarized by that tweet about sowing and reaping:
that's a good point but do you think this has worked (is working) as intended?
They certainly should have been transparent with him right from the start.that's a good point but do you think this has worked (is working) as intended?
I wonder if the person who replied him initially had the memo about why he wasn't on the list.
The stance doesn't surprise me at all, honestly, considering how quickly toxic stuff turns to really toxic PR nowadays.
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Again, I'm left scratching my head wondering what their PR/Comms people are doing.
They were trying to be polite.
i honestly think that you're missing the point somewhat, auntie ... let me try to make a case.
well, apart from the insult this is how this whole business of attention grabbing works, okay? affirmative and exalted messages from fans aren't any less intellectually flat, and we don't frown upon them. it's exactly the same ecosystem that drives up sales, so nothing new here.
frontier not giving him a key for reasons is actually the same as "they don't want him reviewing it". it is OBVIOUSLY not about the key or it's value. as factabulous just pointed out i would find it hard to believe that yamiks didn't even have preordered already, this is his job
frontier not recognizing that is totally legitimate, but is their first miscalculation of how these social ecosystems work because in doing so they are alienating a part of their fan base. this is just stupid. he will review exactly the same, and they knew it. denying him the recognition could only backfire.
their second miscalculation is the response to him because it is blatant bullarxe and it was obvious that he could go public with it. i mean, precisely the yamiks! (facepalm)
this is so friken stupid that i can only understand this as a communication problem in frontier, with the person responding the email being oblivious of the criteria and consequences of the selection process.
other than that, liking or not yamiks content is not really relevant.
So, there's 2 points to it.
1) Should FD have given Yamiks a key regardless due to his status as a popular content creator for ED?
2) They don't want him reviewing it type comments.
As i said, the second point is... well, moronic. Nothing is stopping him from reviewing it.
The first point, sure, we can discuss that, and i did earlier in the thread. In my opinion it makes perfect business sense for FD not to give him a free key. His content is immature and he goes out of his way to make jokes about the game. Its how his channel works. Its not the sort of content that usually endears you to a developer though.
Me liking Yamiks content is relevant in the context because i didn't want people saying i'm just a Yamiks hater. I like him as a person and as a personality. But i quite understand FD not wanting to give him a free key. I also find his complaining about not getting a free key rather silly.
They didn't have to give yamiks a reason at all. He pushed it, he now has his reason.
And wow, what a reason.
You reap what you sew. Frontier have standards they expect from officially recognised creators, you're not willing to abide by then so you don't qualify for freebies.
But isn't everyone with an alpha key gonna prescreen it?
Agreed, but the initial response to Yamiks looks like a standard reply that they would send to any crumy schmuck... like me. Yamiks should knows this. Does he really need to be treated specially with kid fingers cause he might cry?
As I said above, I like watching his videos because they are funny, but its pretty obvious that most companies aren't going to endorse his style of videos. Doesn't take a genius to figure that.
They're no fools is the answer to that. Trending on Twitter? Lovely jubbly.
Right now Yammiks will be telling people how it's so unfair because he loves the game really ...
Not a couple of months ago Nvidia pulled this same nonsense with a youtube tech channel. Given access in the past but some reviews had been critical and so they 'dropped' him from their list of creators who would get future access. Big drama ensues, and massive tech peeps like Linus get involved and call Nvidia out for it. Nvidia back track and end up looking petty and foolish.
It speaks to integrity. Not of the company itself ........but of the integrity of those you do rely on to promote your product. The bottom line that you can't get away from is that if a company will only engage with 'influencers' that they can rely on to be nice to them then is that fair and balanced or is it manipulation? When I watch the Alpha footage on youtube will I have confidence that the person telling me all about it will feel able to tell me about the flaws along with the postives without fear of being cut off from the access he or she enjoys?
None of that doubt will be the fault of the creators themselves. I have watched their content in the past without that even being a consideration. However now it is and Frontier put it there.
They don't have to like him .......just endure him if that is what it takes. Besides, if FDev ever expect to break out into a younger demographic instead of just catering to old fuddy duddies like me who started playing games on a spectrum 48k then they will have to grow a thicker skin (as will a lot of us!). Like it or not creators like Yamicks are exactly what a younger audience consume with gusto. I am assuming that this is why we are getting FPS style gameplay in order to attract a new audience?
FDev really ought to be above this petty dramamongering. Entirely avoidable and yet entirely predictable. Say what you will but if you click on a Yamicks vid you know exactly what you will be getting for good or for ill. Buy an expansion from FDev and you have no idea what you bought until 6 months after you gave them your money. If they were more open about what they are aiming for and less timid about being held to what they hope to achieve we would not even be having this convo because we would not be relying on third parties to sell us the product. That ought to be FDevs job!
It speaks to integrity. Not of the company itself ........but of the integrity of those you do rely on to promote your product. The bottom line that you can't get away from is that if a company will only engage with 'influencers' that they can rely on to be nice to them then is that fair and balanced or is it manipulation? When I watch the Alpha footage on youtube will I have confidence that the person telling me all about it will feel able to tell me about the flaws along with the postives without fear of being cut off from the access he or she enjoys?
None of that doubt will be the fault of the creators themselves. I have watched their content in the past without that even being a consideration. However now it is and Frontier put it there.
They don't have to like him .......just endure him if that is what it takes. Besides, if FDev ever expect to break out into a younger demographic instead of just catering to old fuddy duddies like me who started playing games on a spectrum 48k then they will have to grow a thicker skin (as will a lot of us!). Like it or not creators like Yamicks are exactly what a younger audience consume with gusto. I am assuming that this is why we are getting FPS style gameplay in order to attract a new audience?
FDev really ought to be above this petty dramamongering. Entirely avoidable and yet entirely predictable. Say what you will but if you click on a Yamicks vid you know exactly what you will be getting for good or for ill. Buy an expansion from FDev and you have no idea what you bought until 6 months after you gave them your money. If they were more open about what they are aiming for and less timid about being held to what they hope to achieve we would not even be having this convo because we would not be relying on third parties to sell us the product. That ought to be FDevs job!
You could volunteer to mc his video's. You do an admirable job of managing criticism elsewhere
"Right, so what do we all think of the running animations.." "Moving on.." Actually that would be hilarious if you did a duet video with yamicks. Think hes done a few in the past.
As he already HAS done - Elite Dangerous isn't the first game he's done this.
Yeah that's how I read it too - they were trying to politely say no, he pushed, the publicly explain their reasoning which in truth kinda makes him look more like a dingbat than he already is.
Hate to say I told you so...(I don't)
And considering they gave him a polite no first, I still stand by this too.
And considering they gave him a polite no first, I still stand by this too.
Except all the actual critics get the pre-screening. Yamiks is Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. He'll have to sit in the cinema with the rest of us losers before he gets to call it the worst movie EVER.
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