Going against your own word - "infiltrators" please note

[Zaphod Hawke]

Depressingly,



On the bright side, the more people get discouraged, the more calls for an Open PvE mode. Alas it's to late for me as I have moved on. The Trolls have won. No more money to FD from me. Enjoy your victory.

I ask any one at FD, to please close my account on these forums as I can't see the point of it any-more. I'm making this request public to hi-light just one side effect of all this nonsense.

Thank you for your time, I wish I could say "it's been fun."

Yeah, see... this is a perfect example of the type of attitude you shouldn't have when playing an MMO (or a sandbox sim with MMO features).

Did open PvE mode exist as a feature when you bought in?

No?

Shocking.

You might want to put that wallet waving e-peen down before everyone realizes how small it is, BTW.

 

[Goose4291]

You're correct in your comparison. It's really not that terrible. Definitely not considerate or well socialized, but dude, the reactions we see? They're truly amazing. People crying. People calling the ganker a "stupid n-word" or "I bet you take it up the *** irl you ******". Much more common than you'd think.

THIS, sir, is infantile. The disproportionate reactions to our inconsiderate crimes are insane! I blew up your silly spacecraft. Take it on the chin and move on. Dont give your assailant the satisfaction of insulting him. Trust me, he/she doesnt care and wants it in the first place

As someone who's dealt with extreme versions of this multiple times, I can sympathise and attest to this being the case.

I genuinely dont understand the need to get all personal or out of game attackey over e-spaceships.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Funny enough, I have a question regarding this?

How many people here went into PVP going to play the "good guy" And then got crapped on by the community for involving themselves in PVP at all. Even if they were on the good side?

This is how it happened for me. I couldnt get anyone to help me or join me, and when I joined other groups that were meant for it. All they did was complain or try to get things removed, still saying people had over engineered ships.

This is why I eventually ended up friends with some of the bad guys out there. Why even try to be the good guy if you're going to get treated like crap for it.

Hell most of those "bad guys" taught me how to fight against them in GCI. Very helpful and good people in and out of the game. I wish people could learn to seperate that and just play the god damn game.

I wish more 'good guys' in this game followed a story arc like Captain America's in the MCU: starry eyed company man learns what kind of compromises need to be made. Or, on the other hand, more outlaws becoming proper anti-heroes like you see in old Wild West films.

 

[da_wae]

As someone who's dealt with extreme versions of this multiple times, I can sympathise and attest to this being the case.

I genuinely dont understand the need to get all personal or out of game attackey over e-spaceships.

People actively engaging in activities in order to trigger an emotional reaction in their victims get surprised when they get such reactions.

 

[Goose4291]

People actively engaging in activities in order to trigger an emotional reaction in their victims get surprised when they get such reactions.

If you think for example, that sending abusive emails to the wife of a 'gweefer' or email bombing their office email and is acceptable or justifiable retaliation for them for engaging in legitimate gameplay choices, then I feel sorry for you, and you should have a word with yourself

 

[da_wae]

If you think for example, that sending abusive emails to the wife of a 'gweefer' or email bombing their office email and is acceptable or justifiable retaliation them for engaging in legitimate gameplay choices, then I feel sorry for you, and you should have a word with yourself

Never said doxxing was ok, but getting an angry in-game message isn't that unexpected (which doesn't really make it ok, either) - very different things, though.

 

[Goose4291]

Never said doxxing was ok, but getting an angry in-game message isn't that unexpected (which doesn't really make it ok, either) - very different things.

Fair enough, but if you look at the second paragraph you quoted, thats what I was talking about, rather than a few choice words being used in the heat of the moment.

That said, I dont think racial or bigoted slurs are not exacrly an approrpriate response, particularly from an element of the community that regularly claims to be its most reasonable, nice, inclusive and friendly component

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

People actively engaging in activities in order to trigger an emotional reaction in their victims get surprised when they get such reactions.

Hahahaha!

What a load.

"to trigger an emotional reaction"

"victims"



It's called "playing the game."
Don't allow yourself to be triggered into an emotional, out of game response.
Simple.

We used to teach that to kids in elementary school, but I guess we're seeing the result of the removal of things like dodge ball and other remotely competitive activities.

 

[sewerratuk]

As someone who's dealt with extreme versions of this multiple times, I can sympathise and attest to this being the case.

I genuinely dont understand the need to get all personal or out of game attackey over e-spaceships.

I know of a lot of PvPers that get all personal or out of game attackey over e-spaceships if use don’t play by their rules of engagement and will spout on about unbalanced play... heal beams, gimbals, speed couriers, missiles, etc...

 

[da_wae]

Fair enough, but if you look at the second paragraph you quoted, thats what I was talking about, rather than a few choice words being used in the heat of the moment.

You were pretty vague about it. But doxxing is really never ok, under any circumstance.

 

[da_wae]

Hahahaha!

What a load.

"to trigger an emotional reaction"

"victims"



It's called "playing the game."
Don't allow yourself to be triggered into an emotional, out of game response.
Simple.

We used to teach that to kids in elementary school, but I guess we're seeing the result of the removal of things like dodge ball and other remotely competitive activities.

I'm sorry, did my words of choice trigger you?

Also, I never said it was ok to be verbally abusive in-game towards your attacker. But if you are surprised about the occasional vitriol from your PvP victims, you are completely out of touch with how online gaming usually works [haha]

 

[VR Murgle]

What I find most hilarious about threads like these is all the people going "it's just a game..." but the second someone quits the game on them to avoid losing their ship they start frothing at the mouth and when people attack their precious faction from Solo or PG (or just end up in a different instance) they scream their little heads off. It's just a game remember...

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I'm sorry, did my words of choice trigger you?

Also, I never said it was ok to be verbally abusive in-game towards your attacker. But if you are surprised about the occasional vitriol from your PvP victims, you are completely out of touch with how online gaming usually works [haha]

Not at all, I am mocking your use of inflammatory language to describe playing a video game.

LOL!

And yes, there are a lot of immature people who have inappropriate emotional responses to games.


So what?

I literally just said they shouldn't allow themselves to be so triggered...

How did you manage to get it all backwards?

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

What I find most hilarious about threads like these is all the people going "it's just a game..." but the second someone quits the game on them to avoid losing their ship they start frothing at the mouth and when people attack their precious faction from Solo or PG (or just end up in a different instance) they scream their little heads off. It's just a game remember...

I don't care if you combat log, play in solo, or any of that nonsense.

Not in the slightest.

 

[Devari]

You're correct in your comparison. It's really not that terrible. Definitely not considerate or well socialized, but dude, the reactions we see? They're truly amazing. People crying. People calling the ganker a "stupid n-word" or "I bet you take it up the *** irl you ******". Much more common than you'd think.

THIS, sir, is infantile. The disproportionate reactions to our inconsiderate crimes are insane! I blew up your silly spacecraft. Take it on the chin and move on. Dont give your assailant the satisfaction of insulting him. Trust me, he/she doesnt care and wants it in the first place

Well since I've only been on the receiving end of griefing (or rather griefing attempts, as I usually evade them or place griefers on my block list) I can't really say what types of reactions griefers typically elicit from their victims. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see a lot of immature reactions on both sides. I will however note that well over 90% of the "PVP" interactions in Open are griefing/trolling behavior and that does tend to frustrate players when it is the only interactions they routinely see.

I should also point out that the Mobius/PG community is not entirely blameless either. The use of terms such as "consensual PVP" to attempt to criticize legitimate PVP in Open (which, by definition, you "consented" to by being in Open in the first place) and the push for an "Open PVE" mode (which by definition is no longer "Open" if it only involves PVE) have tended to polarize the discussion between the PVE/PVP sides. Essentially certain players want a "safe space" where they can interact with other players but have a 100% guarantee of zero risk to themselves from other players which is not actually a game any longer, it's more of a chat lobby with space ships.

I can sort of see both sides of the issue as I'm a PVE player who has played exclusively in Open so I can understand both arguments. I don't engage in griefing behavior (and rarely engage in PVP at all) but I have learned how to deal with it effectively. I just consider it the cost of "admission" to the positive interactions with other CMDRs in Open and I'm willing to pay that "price" so I can interact with other players. I also think that, to a certain extent, this has made me a better player as I have become better at more sophisticated escape/evasion techniques as a result.

 

[Goose4291]

Well since I've only been on the receiving end of griefing (or rather griefing attempts, as I usually evade them or place griefers on my block list) I can't really say what types of reactions griefers typically elicit from their victims. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see a lot of immature reactions on both sides. I will however note that well over 90% of the "PVP" interactions in Open are griefing/trolling behavior and that does tend to frustrate players when it is the only interactions they routinely see.

I should also point out that the Mobius/PG community is not entirely blameless either. The use of terms such as "consensual PVP" to attempt to criticize legitimate PVP in Open (which, by definition, you "consented" to by being in Open in the first place) and the push for an "Open PVE" mode (which by definition is no longer "Open" if it only involves PVE) have tended to polarize the discussion between the PVE/PVP sides. Essentially certain players want a "safe space" where they can interact with other players but have a 100% guarantee of zero risk to themselves from other players which is not actually a game any longer, it's more of a chat lobby with space ships.

I can sort of see both sides of the issue as I'm a PVE player who has played exclusively in Open so I can understand both arguments. I don't engage in griefing behavior (and rarely engage in PVP at all) but I have learned how to deal with it effectively. I just consider it the cost of "admission" to the positive interactions with other CMDRs in Open and I'm willing to pay that "price" so I can interact with other players. I also think that, to a certain extent, this has made me a better player as I have become better at more sophisticated escape/evasion techniques as a result

The problem is the term 'griefing' gets overly applied to every single 'nonconsensual' (ugh) PvP interaction.

Engage in piracy?
Youre a griefer.

Kill a player to collect their bounty?
Murdering troll.

Shoot someone at a CZ pledged to the other side?
You only selected that side to gweef your 'victim' (ugh)

Kill a player pledged to a Powerplay Faction that rivals yours?
Youre exploiting powerplay to grief innocent people

Sensibly show up looking for a fight with backup wingmates?
Amoral ganker

Play the BGS or UA bomb to shut a CG down?
Real life terrorist.

People need to accept in a multiplayer environment where confrontation can not only occur, but is encouraged to by its world and associated mechanics, that your opponent is more than likely not griefing you.

 

[da_wae]

Not at all, I am mocking your use of inflammatory language to describe playing a video game.

LOL!

And yes, there are a lot of immature people who have inappropriate emotional responses to games.


So what?

I literally just said they shouldn't allow themselves to be so triggered...

How did you manage to get it all backwards?

What inflammatory language? "Victim" is an apt moniker for someone killed in a non-consensual PvP encounter, as far back as I remember from playing Ultima Online.

People also should recycle, not litter, and avoid jaywalking (among other things) [haha]

 

[Smecca is BMFE]

Well since I've only been on the receiving end of griefing (or rather griefing attempts, as I usually evade them or place griefers on my block list) I can't really say what types of reactions griefers typically elicit from their victims. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see a lot of immature reactions on both sides. I will however note that well over 90% of the "PVP" interactions in Open are griefing/trolling behavior and that does tend to frustrate players when it is the only interactions they routinely see.

I should also point out that the Mobius/PG community is not entirely blameless either. The use of terms such as "consensual PVP" to attempt to criticize legitimate PVP in Open (which, by definition, you "consented" to by being in Open in the first place) and the push for an "Open PVE" mode (which by definition is no longer "Open" if it only involves PVE) have tended to polarize the discussion between the PVE/PVP sides. Essentially certain players want a "safe space" where they can interact with other players but have a 100% guarantee of zero risk to themselves from other players which is not actually a game any longer, it's more of a chat lobby with space ships.

I can sort of see both sides of the issue as I'm a PVE player who has played exclusively in Open so I can understand both arguments. I don't engage in griefing behavior (and rarely engage in PVP at all) but I have learned how to deal with it effectively. I just consider it the cost of "admission" to the positive interactions with other CMDRs in Open and I'm willing to pay that "price" so I can interact with other players. I also think that, to a certain extent, this has made me a better player as I have become better at more sophisticated escape/evasion techniques as a result

Hey man. Thanks for the response. You're absolutely correct in everything you said. Very level headed approach to the situation. I would argue that you're enjoying the game to a higher level than a solo only player

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

What inflammatory language? "Victim" is an apt moniker for someone killed in a non-consensual PvP encounter, as far back as I remember from playing Ultima Online.

People also should recycle, not litter, and avoid jaywalking (among other things) [haha]

LOL

Your implicit suggestion is they are being emotionally victimized somehow.

Don't quack if you don't want to sound like a duck.

 

[da_wae]

LOL

Your implicit suggestion is they are being emotionally victimized somehow.

Don't quack if you don't want to sound like a duck.

Never said they were being emotionally victimized, just that most of the time the objective of the griefer is to elicit a negative emotional reaction on their victims.