Nah. It was just psychobabble to take the thread off tangent to a place where the psychobabble might have had a place, but there isn't a place for it in the thread because as I already explained, my OP is and always will be 100% accurate and non-negotiable, despite any psychobabble that apologists may bringeth.
Going against your own word - "infiltrators" please note
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Nah. It was just psychobabble to take the thread off tangent to a place where the psychobabble might have had a place, but there isn't a place for it in the thread because as I already explained, my OP is and always will be 100% accurate and non-negotiable, despite any psychobabble that apologists may bringeth.
What PvPer engineers and grinds credits in Solo play though? That annoys me more than ganking in a PG.
^^This guy gets it.
I'd hazard a guess that *everybody* gets it. But there are some that just choose to argue because they don't *like* it.
He wasn't making up excuses and in fact stated that infiltrating a pg is a move.
It's your constant claim of 'absolute truth' and being 100% right that got under his skin I imagine.
DW deserves a better spokesperson than someone who puts his fingers in his ears while going 'I can 't hear you I know the absolute truth so you're wrong!' imo.
There is a misunderstanding amongst some - perhaps a deliberate misrepresentation, in fact - that joining a no-PvP group to pursue PvP combat against those not interested or equipped for PvP combat was similar to fifth column in Power Play, and that it was "acceptable" to "infiltrate" because it is "just roleplay" and "the game allows it".
The post is a statement of fact that "roleplay" PvP in a no-PvP PG is not roleplay byba player's character, but instead a deliberate lie and cheat by the player and not their character.
So while lying and cheating is a "thing" as you put it, it is a reminder that some things are lying and cheating and cannot be "justified" by roleplay as some liars and cheats would want to be true.
It is a reminder that if an individual "commits the act", then they are incontrovertible liars and cheats and they must accept the accurate and 100% justifiable label of being liars and cheats.
That is all.
Yours Aye
Mark H
I bet most won't.
But at least they *know*, we know and everybody knows that we can call them liars and cheats and that this is 100% fair, accurate and deserved.
Agreed?
It wasn't me who was putting my finger in my ears, though, was it. The initial part of that long thread that I didn't read the rest of demonstrates this. The rest was signposted as being off topic. So I didn't read it.
I'm also not a spokesperson for DW2, simply making an observation about any "intended ganking" in *any* no-PvP combat allowed PG.
If somebody stating an incontrovertible fact as a 100% truth gets under somebody else's skin I can't be held responsible for that. A fact is a fact and cannot be changed into a non-fact by any amount of flawed analysis.
I'm talking about somebody making a premeditated lie. Fact being that since they have told a lie they are, in 100% truth, incontrovertibly, a *liar*. Very simple and also non negotiable. That is all.
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It appears that it is *you* who is having a difficulty understanding the underlying principle here. It is the *person* who choses to enter a PG, and this personal choice occurred prior to entering the game and therefore prior to adopting a character role.
It isn't a very subtle distinction - and it is actually a huge distinction. I am quite amazed at how some people find understanding this huge distinction to be such a difficult concept.
Sometimes I can't work out whether some people are being deliberately obtuse or whether it is a genuine difficulty in understanding.
Cheerz
Mark H
This. What does his 'my OP is non-negotiable' even mean? [haha]
Nope, ramming pad pining and other shenanigans would just take over.
Thus leading to the next solution: all damage incurred from player ships is turned off, and repeated collisions result in player ships simply passing through one another. Problem solved.
So then you make player shils no clip with each other...... Or alternatively track the behavior and delete the accounts of the people who try to exploit to kill other players ... Or alternatively set it up so that the station guns blow apart the person in the collision that does not have landing permission for the pad...
These are not unsolvable problems, especially once an explicit PvE environment is set up by fdev, track the complaints fix the exploits and ban the exploiters
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
I kinda think this needs to be done anyways.
If they push open only anything. Lots of people will block pads in powerplay zones or whatever.
Once you get a successful docking request. Just make the people immune to outside interference.
You know in American Football where the make it to the endzone. Well, that would be the traders win. It also stops pad ramming.
All that arguing with carebears has rotted your brain.
Let them have this and whatever else players need to manage a PG, but leave open alone.
Ships should have 0 protection except station/base defenses until your ship is inside the hangar.
Magic landing pads... [blah]
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Haha well, I too think defenses should be the only thing. Just thinking of the ways to stop pad hogging.
The only other way I see fixing it is making a landing pad timer in open. You have like 5 mins to get your stuff done while landed.
Meh. Noclip works. It should be a PG option along with a bunch of other features people have been requesting.
I'd like to see something like multiple ships per pad, and ships being automatically taken into the hangar a few seconds after landing.
Then a queue for taking off if needed.
It might bother some people that more ships are being stored in the same amount of space... but I think it would be better all around.
Sort of like they do in Star Citizen, but with full storage animations.
PG mode ganking isnt that common either but it seems to have generated a fairly hefty thread.
I haven't read most of it but my first comment, all the way back on page one, (or two, I can't remember) can now be verified as actual fact.
It's undeniable. It's a genuine truism. It's an unassailable position and I shall continue to repeat that for thirty more pages.
Meh 32 pages is nothing.
Start a Docking Computer thread, and see the salt start flying about
"ban DCs learn 2 fly", "I've spent 400 hours manually docking, DC lets me chill", "git gud scrub!!!eleven1", "I'm lazy and proud" and so on.