The 800mil in rebuys is what I already spent. I have much more than that.
That same line, the one about how this iteration of the C&P will bring an end to ganks have been said since beta.
Your hopes of pink butterflies and unicorns sort of universe will never happen, no matter what C&P they introduce.
The funny part is that the PVE players this was supposed to protect will suffer the most because they dont exploit credits, dont understand the game mechanics as well and are not as good pilots.
I will suggest that you don't jump from happiness just yet, I dont think all this will work they way you expect it.
I half expected someone to post something like this. I'm not in opposition with you or the OP. As the game stands, it is a relevant choice. Of course, anyone can also make the choice to come back to open just as easily. Your sarcasm is noted, but, I disagree that this is "thinking outside the box."
The question I posed is supposed to make people think about what they're doing, and take responsibility for it. All too often, players (myself included) just go do whatever. They (and myself) forget that there is some element of risk and/or consequences, for their own carelessness. When something goes awry, many refuse to take responsibility for they're own mistakes. Instead, it's much easier to blame "the other guy," than learning from the experience. Let's face it, it's not always easy for anyone to "take a look in the mirror." But that's exactly what is required to own your mistakes.
Thinking and common sense go a long way, cost little and add zero mass. Results often pay more than any rep, credits, materials or data gained.
Rooks o7
What does your rebuy have to do with anything? You've died? so? it still doesn't in any way represent anything being balanced? it simply says you've died and that's what its cost you, it doesn't say anything on your impact on said easy targets. Who yes, will have a lower rebuy cost then you've gotten up to, but the impact on their game play will actually be significantly higher.
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Again, it is supposed to attach consequences, not bring an end to it.
Funny that as I thought this was the thread where Ziggy mentioned coffee, as in coffee happens, coffee dosnt just happen but it takes time and love to make that coffee.
After a while the same names saying the same things in the allbeit same thread, I confess to do this but at least I try and change the odd word or two, but I guess there is only so many ways for them to tell us to git gud, wait, get good, get better, improve your skill ..
Its no wonder some of us get a little lost along the way. Ahh this is that thread about the chap who has had enough of open...
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Will it end? of course not. Will it maybe, especially with the current iteration on the way, promote people to maybe not use their biggest and most expensive ship to hunt people in way smaller ships? I think it just might, and that is the problem, it is the power gap where people are entirely helpless that is the issue. So yeah, it might actually help the issue despite what you might think.
And this line, just comes across so very very arrogant, and at best grasping at straws, you have absolutely no idea if or if not people use credit exploits, nor how well people understand the game mechanics, or how good pilots they are?
So yeah.
If your case is so sound then why on earth do you keep feeling the need to create this pretend forum PVE bogeyman who thinks 'all player killing/ganking/griefing will stop' with the proposed C&P/Karma system? The only people I've actually seen state that to be the case are PVP'ers suffering backside pain because there may well soon be consequences to their actions - you know, like there are for those insane folk that run shieldless in open. I want you to link me to this massive consensus among PVE players that they expect it all to stop with the proposed system or that they think it is the end of all player killers in this game.
For almost as long as I can remember on these boards PVE players have been asking for a system that introduces one thing to the persistent PK/ganker types - consequence, and hopefully the proposals will go some way to addressing that. To be honest a decent number of PVP/ganker/griefer types have stated they want the same thing too only for some of the usual suspects to then shoot down any idea/proposal that aims to introduce consequence at the first opportunity with screams of 'death of PVP' etc etc. It really does seem that both PVP'er and PVE'er want consequences in this game, it's just that a subset of the former only want it when it is at the theory stage, as soon as it remotely looks like becoming a reality they scream blue murder how said system is gonna make them 'killz more noobz', 'quit this dying game' or, as said above, 'death of PVP'.
So, I'll ask again, if your case is so sound and you are so untroubled by the new system as to not be bothered why do you need to create a fake PVE bogeyman to bolster your position?
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verminstar
Banned
I did say I doubted ye would see the funny side of it...glad to see yer answer lived upto expectations ^
I dont put much faith in yer ability to read either...I also said that karma doesnt need to stop ye, just make ye less effective. If it achieves that, then happy days. If it doesnt achieve that, the hotel california stays open, nothing changes and yer left with the same problems open has already. Considering how much fun these threads can be, thats also a win.
Meaning that fer those of us already happy with the mode system, its a win win situation...we cant lose because we dont have anything to lose. To believe that karma wont have any effect whatsoever on the likes of you is naive at best, but I look forward to the salt fest either way.
But you keep throwing the strawman around...its funny to witness Ill admit...not blocking you is because yer entertaining without trying to be. Yer snide little projections are water of a ducks back...clutching at straws and creating the illusion that if we dont play in open we are somehow lesser players. Its funny when ye sit back and think about it...what do we actually stand to lose?
Nothing...quite frankly, I dont understand how not to be happy with how things could turn out fer everyone. As I already said, it really doesnt need to stop what ye do, but yer gonna have consequences whereas ye didnt have any before, so it will almost certainly change how effective ye are.
And whether ye like it or not...agree or disagree...thats enough ^
verminstar
Banned
Just have to wait n see wont we? Patience young padawan...all good things come to those who wait...not long left now ^
Besides...if it doesnt have the desired effect, then we can sit here and mock each other fer another 3 years while Sandro dreams up even harsher consequences until it does have the desired effect. Fer me, nothing changes because it wont affect me in anything but trivial ways...but then its not aimed at changing how I play, is it? Doesnt matter what way ye look at it, yer days are numbered...maybe not this time, but sooner or later is inevitable ^
Happy thoughts...does wonders fer the digestion too
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This CMDR knows what's what.
Not exploiting credits?
Even if so, whoa big deal, not that there are enough "legit" ways to make a fair amount of Creds if you need to.
Thinking that using obvious exploits is the only way to make decent Creds tells alot of your understanding of the game mechanics in fact (not that you exactly said so but hey, i think its ok to argue on "even ground" here)
And what you even mean by "game mechanics"? A little further explanation would be nice since im not sure you know it yourself...
Flying skills? Ok, maybe in the most cases but lets turn the table and compare a decent PvP-Pilot against a Canyon-Racer, not so easy to judge anymore i guess.
Realy man, you perhaps should take a deep breath, read your comment again and maybe you come to the conclusion what it let you look like for yourself.
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Well, i was a bit over the top here i guess...
To my defense, my day started without having any electricity due to a little more wind as usual (german engineers seems to have a unhealthy tendency to build overhead wirings a little to close to trees) what means i just got my first coffee with a good 3 hour delay while also wasnt able to get cigaretts anywhere, so not the best preconditions to write a reply at all [noob]
What so ever, i might will rewrite it but definetly appologises to Algo for being a jerk/a bit personal here
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saying 'git gud' is as irrelevant as saying 'you're a *censored*'.
you are still asking the wrong question
if all people agreed on some ethical ground we wouldn't need laws. without law enforcement laws would be pointless.
that's in real world. virtual worlds are far easier to manage because they can be shaped to that effect in several ways. again, that's the job of the 'world crafter'.
so what's the real intent here? just point at people, or harmonize our world?
By the time you wake back, they have joined Mobius and you find nothing but empty space
verminstar
Banned
By the time you wake back, they have joined Mobius and you find nothing but empty space
Oh stop being all logical all the time...ye might confuse the poor soul ^
you are still asking the wrong question
There is no right questions to the people that deliberately want to disrupt how others enjoy the gameplay. So yeah.
You'll now get the traditional get good, stop whining etc responses.
But yes, there's huge levels of cynical/toxic activity in the game at times. Indeed last year, I got so sick of witnessing it I finally gave up and signed up to Mobius. Any sort of clearly PvE event/location I'll now do in Mobius.
Fingers crossed "Beyond" reins some of these clown in.
You can't, you have an undersized FSD, remember ?
By the time you wake back, they have joined Mobius and you find nothing but empty space
Know what I would find hilarious?
If the systems they spawned in required oh, a 30 LY jump range to get out of and had no outfitting or shipyards.