Modes Going to solo mode

[Sylveria]

What brings me to my point: When the "danger" turns out to not be that dangerous at all while fighting back still isnt a option in most cases, whats left then?

Exactly. This is what others have consistently pointed out throughout the entirety of "modes discussions".

If you're attacking a ship that you already know can't fight back, what's the purpose in doing it to begin with?

Answer: There isn't one. They do it for purely for "lulz", and there's no "git gud" involved.

 

[xondk]

As I said, this is what FDEV created, they made engineers meta and if you dont engineer your ship you stand no chance.

So engineered ship vs stock ship? No chance.

This is not the "griefer's" fault, nor the victim's, this is the game. This is content, this is what FDEV want you to do.

Its a problem that Frontier has created? in what way? they've given people the freedom to attack other players without being bound by a game 'rule' or flag?

So because they've given a freedom to people, they are responsible? how come those that chose to misuse such a freedom isn't responsible? unless people suddenly aren't responsible for their own choices and actions?

It is a trend that seems to come about often, blaming someone else for people's actions but themselves?

 

[znôrt]

"Which is actually not the attacker's fault, is it?"
I'm sorry, what? the attacker is in full control of when and who they chose to attack thus yes, they are to blame,

it's a matter of perspective. i can agree with yours, but i don't think you got mine, and thus don't see the implications or the big picture.

saying it's the attacker's fault might have a point but doesn't get you anywhere. society is complex, with a host of different behaviors. people are how they are, moreso in a game that promotes 'do what you want'. it's the responsibility of the developers (the arbitrers of this simulated reality) to provide means for all these different wills to coexist in a meaningful way. whatever means, but something. it could even be to rule out this particular form of behavior, then enforce that rule. it's a simplistic approach and has its limitations, but it would be reasonable, and probably effective. frontier does absolutely nothing (except bland talk). sorry but it's their artificial world, it's their responsibility to police/shape it. you blaming the attacker on any moral ground might be your valid choice, but is absolutely irrelevant.

 

[Roybe]

Fdev also said you can hunt other commanders, so its all good, git gud if you dont want to be a sheep. In nature the stupid slow sheep die first, the strong and fast survive.

Mmmmmm lamb bbq.

As long as you don't complain about loneliness in Open...no one has problems!

 

[Sylveria]

As long as you don't complain about loneliness in Open...no one has problems!

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to all these people who tell others to "Go to PG's/Solo!" advocating for why there are no changes needed to the modes.

They're demonstrating justification for the reason the modes exist to begin with with such statements... so whenever those "Open is EMPTY!" and "Remove the modes!" demand threads pop up, they should also be first in line to counter such arguments.

 

[Siobhan]

Fdev also said you can hunt other commanders, so its all good, git gud if you dont want to be a sheep. In nature the stupid slow sheep die first, the strong and fast survive.

You are free to hunt other commanders.
And those commanders are free to exclude you from their game.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Fdev also said you can hunt other commanders, so its all good

You know what's also in there?

"Create or join one (or more) of the thriving Community groups, where you and like-minded Commanders can play how you choose."

It's all good

 

[StonedThoughts]

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to all these people who tell others to "Go to PG's/Solo!" advocating for why there are no changes needed to the modes.

They're demonstrating justification for the reason the modes exist to begin with with such statements... so whenever those "Open is EMPTY!" and "Remove the modes!" demand threads pop up, they should also be first in line to counter such arguments.

So much this!

In Thread-A CmdrXYZ is telling people to get out of Open when they cant stand it, just to move to Thread-B where he tell someone else that he is playing the game wrong and should man-up/git-gud to play in Open (because other Modes shouldnt exist anyway) and at best starting Thread C where he points out that ED is doomed and that he will move to Star Citizen anyway....
:S

 

[Roybe]

So much this!

In Thread-A CmdrXYZ is telling people to get out of Open when they cant stand it, just to move to Thread-B where he tell someone else that he is playing the game wrong and should man-up/git-gud to play in Open (because other Modes shouldnt exist anyway) and at best starting Thread C where he points out that ED is doomed and that he will move to Star Citizen anyway....
:S

Where I am looking forward for the inevitable problem in that game...a lack of non-PVP targets. Having those that desire to PVE in a game with PVP players, never works out. These games have fewer players because all the players are PVP players, PVE players will not play a game where they can be attacked and bothered.

 

[Jockey79]

So much this!

In Thread-A CmdrXYZ is telling people to get out of Open when they cant stand it, just to move to Thread-B where he tell someone else that he is playing the game wrong and should man-up/git-gud to play in Open (because other Modes shouldnt exist anyway) and at best starting Thread C where he points out that ED is doomed and that he will move to Star Citizen anyway....
:S

This is why I keep coming back to these forums.
I love watching CMDRs go through this exact process.

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

As I said, this is what FDEV created, they made engineers meta and if you dont engineer your ship you stand no chance.

So engineered ship vs stock ship? No chance.

This is not the "griefer's" fault, nor the victim's, this is the game. This is content, this is what FDEV want you to do.

Of course engineered ship vs stock ship, the engineered ship should win. That's how it is in real life. If you take your stock muscle car to the drag strip, you're going to lose the modified ones. How boring of a game would this be if everyone flew equal ships? Some of you are so absolutely lazy it's mind boggling. Probably the same faction of people who support "participation trophies". Don't work hard, let's just take away the value in everything so that everyone can have it. What a crock.

 

[verminstar]

So much this!

In Thread-A CmdrXYZ is telling people to get out of Open when they cant stand it, just to move to Thread-B where he tell someone else that he is playing the game wrong and should man-up/git-gud to play in Open (because other Modes shouldnt exist anyway) and at best starting Thread C where he points out that ED is doomed and that he will move to Star Citizen anyway....
:S

Thats possibly one the reasons they started chucking the arguments into its own little sub forum...the arguments are circular and they go nowhere and tbh, a lotta ppl are just sick and tired of it taking up half of DD. Of course, yet hit the nail on the head too...I can remember that exact thing happening last year. Some guy had 'git gud or go solo' in his forum sig and was moaning about open being deserted. He actually asked the mods to close the thread after several pages of this horrible little detail being pointed out to him...aint seen the guy since...not on this forum anyway

Meanwhile on the star cit thread in off topic...its not overly surprising to see some very familiar names crop up. They were just plain dumb adopting the 'git gud' tagline because they didnt think the consequences would ever catch up with them, and they dumb enough to get pulled into the most hilarious gaming con of all time.

First rule of the con...cant con an honest man, never happened cant be done. Human beings never fail to amaze ^

 

[StonedThoughts]

I feel like i should point out that i should have distinguished a bit more between PvPers (people that engage other players to have a good/fair fight and/or do so cause "roleplay" reasons and so at least would comunicate and offer some "real" gameplay/social engagement, even it turns out bad for me) and Griefers (people who just blow someone up just because they can/for the lulz/to ruin someones game)

I still would consider myself a PvE player though but also would feel far more encouraged to skip over and "offer some contend" here and there.

Also i would recommend every Griefer to may have a look at RUST since theres more than enough salt to mine and far more oportunitys/ways to do so (damn its even funny to get griefed sometimes... maybe shouldnt have said this)

Edit: Also a free-feel-reped-giveaway since im out of actual rep for quite some folks here

 

[xondk]

it's a matter of perspective. i can agree with yours, but i don't think you got mine, and thus don't see the implications or the big picture.

saying it's the attacker's fault might have a point but doesn't get you anywhere. society is complex, with a host of different behaviors. people are how they are, moreso in a game that promotes 'do what you want'. it's the responsibility of the developers (the arbitrers of this simulated reality) to provide means for all these different wills to coexist in a meaningful way. whatever means, but something. it could even be to rule out this particular form of behavior, then enforce that rule. it's a simplistic approach and has its limitations, but it would be reasonable, and probably effective. frontier does absolutely nothing (except bland talk). sorry but it's their artificial world, it's their responsibility to police/shape it. you blaming the attacker on any moral ground might be your valid choice, but is absolutely irrelevant.

I'm saying attackers should be held responsible for their own actions, that is it, and they should be. You are right in optimally responsibility would be build into the game, but that doesn't remove the fact that it is a choice people make, a choice that is negatively impacting the game, a choice they make willingly because their fun does not involve the game itself, but involves exerting power over those that have no chance of defending themselves.

Frontier is trying to address it, unfortunately, it is not something easy to address since people will, eagerly do their best to find exploits, and it becomes and endless fight between devs and griefers to get things 'balanced', this has been seen through many many other games alas.

But one big step, is to not excuse their behaviour and hold them responsible for their own actions, and call them out when they claim people need to 'git gud' because the problem has nothing to do with that.

 

[xondk]

Fdev also said you can hunt other commanders, so its all good, git gud if you dont want to be a sheep. In nature the stupid slow sheep die first, the strong and fast survive.

Mmmmmm lamb bbq.

I love that this example is used again, in the wild the sick and weak are hunted down first, yes, for food.

But you aren't aiming for food, loot or anything else when you do it in a game as the problem has been described, simply blowing up easy targets, nor are you improving anything, heck, by hunting only the weakest of the weak, you aren't even getting a challenge, so how can you even remotely demand others 'git gud' when you yourself are not intending to do so?

 

[ALGOMATIC]

I love that this example is used again, in the wild the sick and weak are hunted down first, yes, for food.

But you aren't aiming for food, loot or anything else when you do it in a game as the problem has been described, simply blowing up easy targets, nor are you improving anything, heck, by hunting only the weakest of the weak, you aren't even getting a challenge, so how can you even remotely demand others 'git gud' when you yourself are not intending to do so?

Why do you think I only kill the weak?
I have more than enough fights with proper pvpiers, also close to 800mil in rebuys. Its all balanced.

 

[verminstar]

Why do you think I only kill the weak?
I have more than enough fights with proper pvpiers, also close to 800mil in rebuys. Its all balanced.

Not fer much longer...yer actually the ideal lab rat to see how the new karma system works...still time fer ye to be the hero in all of this in a weird sorta way. How long ye think that 800m will last when ye start burning a hole in it? A month? 3? Ye wont last forever and ye know this aint goin away unless things change...this is the sugar coated version.

I doubt ye can see the funny side of it, but I gotta be honest, I think yer in fer a shock to the system somewhat sooner rather than later although I dont think it will change how ye play...just make ye less effective at it and if that works, then thats enough fer me tbh ^

 

[Mouse]

Welcome to Elite Dangerous aka The Grind.

Actually it is Welcome to Elite Dangerous.. where we do not have to play your way.

 

[verminstar]

I dont even know what way Im goin sometimes, I seem to have veered off course somewhat typing that tripe...I hate this forum sometimes...

 

[Mouse]

Exactly. This is what others have consistently pointed out throughout the entirety of "modes discussions".

If you're attacking a ship that you already know can't fight back, what's the purpose in doing it to begin with?

Answer: There isn't one. They do it for purely for "lulz", and there's no "git gud" involved.

They don't want PVP.. they have proved over and over again that domination is what they want... and when those they attempt to abuse pack up and play where they want.. they cry and whine acting like they are the victims while slinging cheap insults like "sheep" or "get gud" at those who plainly said, "I am not playing with you anymore cause you do not play well with others."